Moving towers? What the f*ck.

Despìca Bìll·5/15/2018, 6:07:26 PM·10 votes·3,896 views

Just played a game against a Mundo, who went 2/8 in 16 minutes. With three items and his ult, he then spent the rest of the game impervious to everyone. Every other time he died, it took at least three to bring him down. Otherwise, he was untouchable, and out-damaged everyone on either team, to boot. The understanding has always been, you can tank, or you can damage, but you can't do both unless you're playing really well. He wasn't, he just walked into a big group of people, pressed W, pressed R, and carried the game. I expected to lose, because our ADC decided to play Fiddlesticks, poorly. I did not expect to lose because the Mundo I steamrolled could use two abilities and win any fight where he wasn't greatly outnumbered.

My point is, the buff to his ult is waaaaaay out of line. No champion should be able to get that far behind, then out damage and out tank everyone in spite of it. Skill comebacks, absolutely...this was not skill...this is a break in the game. Ordinarily, I'd just permaban Mundo until he gets fixed, but then I get to see Akalis everywhere, who can press W to turn off counterplay for 8 seconds...like having to use up a slot for a pink/control ward wasn't enough price to counter her W. But that's a rant for a different thread. Someone at Riot will notice Mundo, after a few weeks/months of dealing with this crap. I'm just hoping someone will notice it sooner if I yack about it.

Here's a link to the match history of the game in question, for curious eyes.

Here are links to embedded video clips of the offending Mundo action:

EDIT: Several users pointed out that, although they appeared to be doing quite a lot, none of my teammates were actually hitting anything in the videos I posted. Also, some seemed to be confused by the fact that I don't want Mundo to be able to do the same amount of damage as me, AND heal himself for most of his health. To that end, I've replaced the videos with nice little pictures.

Here's the damage and here's the tank.

TL;DR He did the same amount of damage as me, and self-mitigated almost twice as much...building full tank. THAT...is my problem.

66 Comments

Meep Man5/15/2018, 8:08:45 PM10 votes

The understanding has always been, you can tank, or you can damage

I didn't realize Bruisers only recently started existing...

Sona Ping5/15/2018, 8:13:04 PM8 votes

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Tanking me. Now, to be fair, I did miss my ult...I still

Still nothing. You would have won that easily but you missed everything. The ultimate is called an ultimate because it's usually the strongest ability. You missed yours, he didn't.

You fought in and tanked his minions, you missed your Q, you missed your Ult, you shot minions instead, and you still almost got away with it. But whatever, that's nothing compared to the next clip.

Tanking my whole team with three items! :D Notice how this is a 4v5? Graves was gone...and Mundo has 3 items...his team is almost 5000 gold behind, and yet...

And yet why is he stronger than all of you? No really, not the champ, why does that guy on Mundo have more gold than everyone on your team and is keeping up in levels?

"Tanking my whole team?" For him to be tanking your whole team, that required him being hit by your team. Not throwing their skillshots 6 feet to the right of him. For him to tank your team, he needs to be tanking your team's damage.

And what damage? The item 1416 LeeSin who ran around doing nothing and only contributed about two autoattacks and a Tempest for the entire fight? The Ryze who was busy targeting Jinx and missing his shots for half the time? Your APC Fiddlesticks who was two levels and 2k gold down, who cancelled his W and was panic flashing to trap himself next to Mundo? The half health Urgot who got himself bursted a couple seconds in by running into the enemy team and died before he or anyone else could contribute their damage? I'm sure no one is expecting the fulltank Braum with his missed Q and the two autoattacks he didn't cancel to make up the difference after the ult and it's, what, less than 75 damage.

But hey, the boards have lost games with this 50% winrate champion in it, he must be overpowered!

IdveYsUfSK5/15/2018, 7:56:15 PM6 votes

stopped reading when you literally said fiddlesticks as adc replacement. troll game just move on. adc destroys tanks.

Colton1475/15/2018, 6:37:02 PM5 votes

DrMundo is still trash and greatly struggling. He needs a couple more buffs to be made viable again.

DuskDaUmbreon5/15/2018, 6:23:05 PM4 votes

I've seen a Mundo basically 1v5...The only help he had was a single Karthus ult from me. And it wasn't into a shitty team comp, it was a legitimate one.

The guy is objectively broken. There's just no way around that.

Ghazter5/15/2018, 6:15:52 PM4 votes

I support a Mundo nerf. I permaban him now when playing top lane, especially as Mordekaiser and Poppy. Tanks can't outdamage him, damage can't outtank him, assassins can't kill him, NOBODY can 1v1 him outside maybe Vayne who is SPECIFICALLY MADE TO KILL TANKS... Even Garen can't out-regen him. Even if you put his ult back to what it used to be, he's still an extremely over-tuned champ... Please riot, fix this champ.

Snowman Arc5/16/2018, 8:41:26 AM3 votes

Classic bronze complaining about X being OP.

Slice n Dice em5/15/2018, 8:22:44 PM3 votes

1st Video) You don't think it's fair that he barely killed you with USING HIS ULT while on the other hand you missing yours? Tbh you both played that poorly.

2nd Video) Yeah I wonder why mundo didn't die, with the constant dps coming from the adc who built executioners(ohh wait you didn't even had an adc), and its not like mundo had already completed his Spirit visage (which HE DID btw and this UNIQUE: Increases effectiveness of all sources of health restoration by 30% including health regeneration, life steal and spell vamp for those who didn't knew). If you slow down the video and think about it then you would answer it your self. Who is even hitting mundo? You in the start but you died to jinx zoe dmg, after that who was hitting him? Fiddle ultied and walked through him, fiddle is level 10 and mundo is lvl 12 so mundo has 2 points in his ult so he regenerates 75 % maximum health instead of 50%. After that who is even hitting him? braum? lee sin who just autoed him once? or ryze who managed to hit him to proc braum passive.

There was no dps to kill him, he should have lived 100% of the time if that fight played out 100 different times.


Sorry if you want to complain about mundo please do so with pleasure, but when you bring out bs videos to justify your point then sorry I would want to speak the truth and truth is harsh. (In that fight) no morellos on ryze or fiddle and you want lvl 12 mundo to die, sorry to say and this is not rank shaming, you need to be self critical. And what 4v5? even if it was 1v5 you need to hit skills shots to kill the damn person. Who is ryze hitting, just watch the video again and again and tell me is mundo even been getting hit?


Btw Mundo has a nerf coming up tomorrow, but even with that nerfed mundo if he was in that game it wouldn't have mattered a bit. Because you and your team were plain bad, sorry if its harsh but that's the truth

Risen295/15/2018, 8:06:58 PM2 votes

Mundo is not a tank, he's a juggernaut. The definition of a juggernaut is having both high damage and defense.

Your entire post falls apart because you got that wrong. Look up the definition of the classes on the wiki and try again.

KZ Engel5/15/2018, 8:23:43 PM2 votes

You don't have an adc or any reasonable dps

the fuck did you expect to happen

Kaìju5/15/2018, 8:54:20 PM2 votes

I think his R would be fine if he didn't get between 100 and 200 AD almost permanently on his E. Even if he went full tank, that's a lot of damage to just have for free.

IcyPepper5/15/2018, 8:14:00 PM2 votes

The understanding has always been, you can tank, or you can damage, but you can't do both unless you're playing really well

Er, Mundo isn't a tank. He has damage instead of hard crowd control.

However that doesn't mean he can't be overtuned.

z63XnLCMwX5/15/2018, 9:14:32 PM1 votes

He loses against fighters. Fiora ,XinZhao , Jax , Olaf ,Trundle all out-scale him into late game.

Jaghatai5/15/2018, 9:19:15 PM1 votes

Um ... item 3123 ... just saying ... it's also not bad on Urgot.

Also .. why did your whole team focus the tank?! That was an awful team-fight.