Then why is 
allowed to exist the way she is?
Is it really so much fun to play against a champ that can perpetually stay out of your reach, no matter how many 
s and gapclosers and slows you use? Oh, and has a slow of her own with infinitely scaling damage?
In fact, take CertainlyT off of champ design entirely, and rework Kali's passive immediately.
I'd rather play against Urgot than against Kalista.
Khell DarkWolf84 votesAtleast Urgot is slow and you can reach him.
Kalista is a different story.
ImFlutterShy8 votes[{quoted}](name=Khell DarkWolf,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xt32dqWA,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-05-13T12:33:55.748+0000)
Atleast Urgot is slow and you can reach him.
Kalista is a different story.
"urgot is slow" LOL
btw im a girl (◡‿◡✿)
Father Cthulhu75 votesThat build is as ugly as he is...
hazerddex5 votesi can kill kalista easier than an urgot dat shield is almost as toxic as rivens safety net shield
Hello I am Bird14 votesUm... No?
Yosuke Apperu7 votesdefinitely not even close, if scaled with ad.. it would be kinda close... urgot's is much higher cool down and isn't a gap closer... The only reason it's so strong is because urgot's core is manamune, he gets lots of mana... but still he cant build straight damage and be tanky.. unlike a certain someone >...>
Holgranth44 votesMaybe I am just lucky as hell but I never have a problem with Kalista as 
.
She is a shitty duelist unless fed, most adc will destroy her one on one and most tanks can lock her down long enough to let their team kill her.
As far as I can tell the teams that Kalista dominates are shitty teamfighters who think they should automatically be able to fight anyone on the opposing team.
If she is OP Riot will nerf her, but she would have to be poppy level before 
and 
mains could just run at her and not get kited.
Saminus Maximus22 votesIf she is OP Riot will nerf her, but she would have to be poppy level before
Nasus actually does better than most melee's vs her because wither reduces attack speed and he naturally builds frozen heart/randuins.
Earl Eulrich6 votesAs far as I can tell the teams that Kalista dominates are shitty teamfighters who think they should automatically be able to fight anyone on the opposing team.
Probably why she´s close to 100% pick or ban in the LPL - those Chinese teams just suck at teamfighting.
DemiluniS8 votesor maybe because the meta favors her, you know, extended teamfights, tanks all around
Transgressor5 votesor maybe because the meta favors her, you know, extended teamfights, tanks all around
Pffft, logic? Who are YOU to bring logic to the table? Get outta here with your sound arguments.
DemiluniS3 votesor what you gonna do ?!
Transgressor2 votesor what you gonna do ?!
I don't understand why I'm getting downvoted since I was being sarcastic but anyways.
On to the topic: Stupid: what i'm gonna do?! i'll be joining the bandwagon and follow the rest of the lemmings; "boooh fok kalissi boooh" More stupid: u wot m9? phite me irl
Aych Pii3 votesKalista isn't a huge issue unless you play skillshot heavy champions (
) or pretty much any meta supports currently. Leona does about the best considering the travel speed of her skillshot, anyone else has to learn to live with only ever hooking the support. And then having Kalista give them a free escape.
Devack The Holy2 votesThey did nerf her. Didn't help.
Photos of Ghosts1 votesIt's stll on PBE so they didn't yet.
Devack The Holy3 votesPlayed against her on PBE... Nerf won't affect her too much.
Rinky Dinky8 votesYou calling Poppy bad? :X
Jungle Lux God6 votesMaybe I am just lucky as hell but I never have a problem with Kalista as
Nautilus is actually a really good counter against Kalista because his ultimate allows his team to effectively lock down Kalista. It's not surprising that you are having success against her as Nautilus, as he is one of her worst matchups.
BluePolarizer2 votesShe is one of the strongest ADCs in pro play. Most ADCs can't kill her 1v1 when she has a BoRK because she can use brush and range to auto/spear/auto/jump away/rend while most ADCs with slower attack speed and equal gold (BF sword + cloak + pickaxe) can only auto once. If you all in her, she builds up surprising burst damage. With a BoRK against a lvl. 8 ADC, rend is fatal after active+Q+5 autos while in 5 (slower for most ADCs) autos you wouldn't have brought her down to even half health with an IE. More realistically you'd get off only 3 autos against her due to lacking attack speed and her Q hitting you first from long range.
CaptnJakSparrow2 votesShe is one of the strongest ADCs in pro play. Most ADCs can't kill her 1v1 when she has a BoRK because she can use brush and range to auto/spear/auto/jump away/rend while most ADCs with slower attack speed and equal gold (BF sword + cloak + pickaxe) can only auto once. If you all in her, she builds up surprising burst damage. With a BoRK against a lvl. 8 ADC, rend is fatal after active+Q+5 autos while in 5 (slower for most ADCs) autos you wouldn't have brought her down to even half health with an IE. More realistically you'd get off only 3 autos against her due to lacking attack speed and her Q hitting you first from long range.
You know you can do the same thing with her auto attacks. they miss if you walk into bushes.
GundayMonday7 votesYeah agree with you. I hate kalista for her infinitely stacking spears that make me constantly paranoid of baron/dragon steals as a jungler. That 2k smite is broken imo.
Slamurai Jack6 votesYeah agree with you. I hate kalista for her infinitely stacking spears that make me constantly paranoid of baron/dragon steals as a jungler. That 2k smite is broken imo.
I want to think you're being sarcastic, but just in case; I can guarantee Kalista has never "stolen" a drag or baron with a 2k rend. Made impossible to steal, maybe. But kalistas never jumped over the baron wall and rended it for a 2k baron steal.
GundayMonday3 votesRight right right. When I say "steal", that's because I die a little on the inside as a jungler every time a Kalista outsmites me. Or I'm tracking the enemy jungler's movements countergank toplane, pick up two kills, then my team types "Dra 16:15" because she went and two manned it with her support.
I know there's counterplay since she has to stack the spears to get the 2k rend, which takes time, but I still hate it. You're right though, I should rephrase.
Earl Eulrich17 votesI tend to agree, Urgot has very clear weaknesses that one can play around - with Kalista you either pick point&click heavy or you can´t play around anything.
Wheatloaf6 votesOutranging her is also an option, as she's absolutely pathetic at getting herself into AA range. There are very good reasons I prefer to play Vel'Koz (my main) against Kalista rather than Vayne.
Raja Chachki8 votesVel'koz ADC??? Or as a support so you can poke without her AAing you?
And I disagree, she's great at getting into range. As long as the enemy is in range from the VERY BEGINNING of her wind-up, the auto will go through, giving her a lot more range than one would think. She can also easily play off the minion wave, using it to push herself forward to harass (her Q doesn't even need a wave to give her a hop).
Photos of Ghosts1 votesVelkoz adc works well since his passive true damage is flat instead of AP scaling, so if you're out of range during a gank you can follow up with your ult (still less damage than autoattacking them with an adc, but you slow them for your jungler).
Slamurai Jack4 votesI don't know why you would play adc Vel'koz when you could just play him APC bot lane. Surely taking him bot and just building AP would be better than building him AD cuz "adc".
Photos of Ghosts2 votesBecause he has CC, you get 2 CC machines botlane.
Slamurai Jack3 votesHow does that have anything to do with building him AD over AP?
FirstSergeantBim4 votesTaking a mage like Vel'Koz, Lulu or Ahri and running them AD instead of AP is all the rage for the kiddies these days. I think they think it's funny and clever or something. Didn't you know this game was about winning your lane and not necessarily winning the game?
kile1475 votesHave you seen his crit animation? Totally worth it
Devack The Holy8 votesAnd heaven forbid you're melee. Good luck catching her never.
AbodyHUN6669 votesI don't really think non mobile mele champions are designed around running up to the carry and catching it. Except Udyr. Most mele champs either TP, flank or peel while drawing the enemy focus.
Devack The Holy5 votesEven if you're a mobile melee (see: ), she'll still kite your ass into obilivion
insaiyanbacca2 voteswell i can think of a bunch melee's that she cant kite, 
(with the right build)
(you have to be clever with how you play them but these 3 are hard to kite)
BluePolarizer4 votesShe can kite Kha'Zix, Fiora, J4, Singed and Hecarim. In fact a demo video was shown where 530 MS Hecarim gets kited by 2.5 attack speed Kalista. 2.5 attack speed Kalista isn't all that far fetched with 
but it is VERY hard to get 530 permanent MS on Hecarim.
A Miss Fortune8 votesI think CertainlyT has broken the game enough with champions that are borderline overpowered and unquestionabely counter-fun to play against that he doesn't really deserve the ability to make the stats for his champions and someone should watch over his abilities, otherwise he needs to be removed from the champion design team.
All of his champions in the past have been game breaking in many ways. Some having ridiculously high win rates and some just being overpowered in every aspect of the game.
All of these champions with the exception of Thresh (who still can invalidate every support in the game.) was extremely broken on release, even Zyra with a 60% win rate and still continue to be very powerful.
AsheGetsGanked1 voteshe makes champs that just get abused honestly. i mean they bring a different aspect to the game, but they come out at some point way too broken for LOL.
currently: Darius doesnt have that much effect on the meta/ talked about as much Zyra disappeared for the most part popularity wise Yasuo has been a fucking problem child! either way too freaking weak or way too strong Zed still picked. Thresh has been pretty much in the top tier support land for like since inception. And Kalista has been annoying lol
But overall yes ur right these champs have been way too much of problem makers.
Zyra I thought though was still a relatively interesting champ and was a good idea.
Darius is a stupid design honestly.
I hate kalistas design so much.
Yasuo.... idk wtf to say about that, just horrible
Thresh although has a loaded kit/combo, i like his lore/idea and i respect supports like thresh.
Zed although annoying at least you can now counter him fairly, and i like his idea. he's a pretty cool champ to watch.
A Miss Fortune2 votesDarius was extremely broken on release and was nerfed immediately if I remember. Really only a few melee champions can actually duel Darius, especially post-6 because he invalidates so many.
Zyra while not being popular, is still ridiculously strong especially as a support and I have no clue why she isn't picked often, she's really good mid or support.
Nameless Voice6 votesThere are quite a few older champions with kits that make them unfun to play against. You can chalk that down to them being old and the designers not being as experienced then as they are now.
What I don't understand is how they are still making new champions with the same problems.
The Bearded Bard6 votes
Miku Lv993 votesI agree with OP. Urgot is like, "haha, I have another shield so you don't hurt me that much." Kalista is like, "20 of those last 21 skillshots all missed, and I'm essentially immune to a lot of immobile melee champions. Not only that, I don't even have to last hit, I can get infinite slows, I get vision, I get extra damage from my skillshot, I can save an ally from virtually anything, I can cc an ally, I can knock up enemies, and I can have unlimited spears in enemies." Kalista has so much more annoying stuff than Urgot it's insane.
