Im morgana, level 5. Facing a lvl 6 Zed, only has a dirk. He ults me, misses all of his spells. He then autos me twice and puts ignite on me, and he does 80% of my max hp. What in the flying fuck? How can he deal so much damage while missing his spells?? Where is the counter to that???? How am I supposed to dodge his autos and ignite?
Relia Fortune61 votesLethality is a cancerous design and needs removed. Plain and simple. I love 
but I cannot stand this lethality is a must bs on her.
is also an overturned summoner spell.
The damage is so high to the point where I don't even want to play adc.
TrikzterzArma4 votes[{quoted}](name=Relia Fortune,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xscdUgr4,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-09-26T11:51:11.075+0000)
Lethality is a cancerous design and needs removed. Plain and simple. I love
The damage is so high to the point where I don't even want to play adc.
Yeah, I main MF and her damage over is so god damn stupid. I recall and comes back to lane with a BF, and suddenly my Q Bounce does more than half of the enemy adc's health
saltran2 votesHey I'm a fellow MF main aswell, we should be friends.
I used to play CritFortune with old ER but right now I've surrendered and I play with 2 lethality items into StormR + RFC
TrikzterzArma2 votesHey I'm a fellow MF main aswell, we should be friends.
I used to play CritFortune with old ER but right now I've surrendered and I play with 2 lethality items into StormR + RFC
I just added you xd
DeusVult13 votesTBH lethality is ok in design, as it is meant to increase your damage against people who arent building armor. The problem is how it is implemented, because dirk only costs 1100 gold, lethality items are easily stackable, and the users of lethality aren't punished for building it early because they usually do not have to worry about mana costs or long CDs.
IS1c1c176269cfdf4 votesit is meant to increase your damage against people who arent building armor.
Who aren't building armor? Soooo exactly the same purpose as raw AD?
Votable Jester4 votesRaw AD increases your damage by the same amount (in terms of proportion) against a low armor target as a high armor target. Lethality increases your damage significantly more against a low armor target than a high armor target (though BC and/or LW can make it pretty effective in general).
Lil Homie busta3 votesAgree with this. The fact that Duskblade gives a damage passive on top of having lethality makes it overkill
10 fps1 votesIgnite is so overpowered and every defensive summoner spell is weak compared to it. Barrier is supposed to counter ignite but ignite is stronger than barrier.
DaCurtis1 votesThat's wrong though. Barrier doesn't last as long as ignite, it was never suppose to counter ignite, cleanse does however.
saltran19 votesLet's analyze this Trash Boards thread:
-Playing a midlane Mage? Check
-Playing against a evil non mana assasin? Check
-Complain about Ignite? Check
-Being down 1 level because somehow a Zed is outpushing a Morgana that can kill the 3 mage minions with 1 W? Check
-The evil assasin has a even more evil Lethality item and we dont have information about what OP has? Check
-Claiming that the evil assasin misses all his skillshots but doesn't show the clip? Check
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Conclusion: Yes, this will be upvoted on the Trash Boards, currently on +6, soon on the front page to keep the circlejerk hot.
You should also check my OPGG to see that I'm a biased Zed and Talon main btw.
TrikzterzArma16 votesLet's analyze this Trash Boards thread:
-Playing a midlane Mage? Check
-Playing against a evil non mana assasin? Check
-Complain about Ignite? Check
-Being down 1 level because somehow a Zed is outpushing a Morgana that can kill the 3 mage minions with 1 W? Check
-The evil assasin has a even more evil Lethality item and we dont have information about what OP has? Check
-Claiming that the evil assasin misses all his skillshots but doesn't show the clip? Check
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Conclusion: Yes, this will be upvoted on the Trash Boards, currently on +6, soon on the front page to keep the circlejerk hot.
You should also check my OPGG to see that I'm a biased Zed and Talon main btw.
Yeah well idk, he ganked bot and I played support.
And lmao, FYI. Morgana has literally one spell less when facing Zed, because her shield is useless against him. He can also really easily escape from my ult, and dodge my Q.
saltran7 votes(Since you didn't even said it I legit thought that you were playing midlane Morgana, I was wrong on that part but aswell you should mention it on the thread)
So, a underleved supp is ganked by a lvl 6 Zed and he kills you.
What's the big deal?
And yes, Morgana shield is useless against Zed and really strong against other champs.
It's fair, do you want Morgana shield to be strong agaisnt every champ or what?
TrikzterzArma14 votes(Since you didn't even said it I legit thought that you were playing midlane Morgana, I was wrong on that part but aswell you should mention it on the thread)
So, a underleved supp is ganked by a lvl 6 Zed and he kills you.
What's the big deal?
And yes, Morgana shield is useless against Zed and really strong against other champs.
It's fair, do you want Morgana shield to be strong agaisnt every champ or what?
A zed with one level higher and half an item kills me even though me misses all of his spell. THAT'S the problem.
saltran5 votesI'm still waiting for the clip, to see exactly which items he had, and which items you had, if you were full hp etc etc
And most important, prove that he did it all failing the skillshots.
Thefrostyviking3 votesActually i did the math above just now and while my calculations didnt quite match it wasnt far off either.
From what i got it seems that Zed with the things OP listed is quite capable of dealing approximately 71% of morgs max health for the given situation.
Even without landing E or Q.
So if we assume he either lands E or uses another auto then it really is 80% i think.
Cavesloth4 votesOr the OP was fudging a bit on that 80%, but his point is that damage is way too high. Saltran is just freaking out because he thinks this is an "Assassins are too OP" thread when its really a "Why the fuck is damage so goddamn high in this game" thread and the OP just happened to mention zed since assassins are the most glaring examples when damage is too high, because they specialize in bursting people.
HaIlMonitor2 votesYeah damage is just flat out to high. Watch an only tank item Sion blow someone up but also take 5 people to take down. Its silly.
Xhaiden15 votesAn ADC can die in 2 seconds (root duration) - while getting stunned by a lvl 4 Morgana + Jhin. Back in 2017 you'd loose around half of your life in same situation (more or less).
Beatrice falls8 votesTo be honest that sounds a lot like a pile of bs, even though I hate AD assassins
TrikzterzArma7 votes[{quoted}](name=Beatrice falls,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xscdUgr4,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-09-26T11:55:51.049+0000)
To be honest that sounds a lot like a pile of bs, even though I hate AD assassins
It isn't. I thought people were just talking BS before when they said Zed killed them while missing all his spells, but it just happened to me.
Beatrice falls11 votesIt isn't. I thought people were just talking BS before when they said Zed killed them while missing all his spells, but it just happened to me.
Zed with 
taking 60% of your HP with a full combo (without ult) I can agree, yes it happens and it is bs. A Zed with missing all his skillshots and killing you with only his AA + E + Ignite at level 6, nope sorry, I don't believe you
Thefrostyviking8 votesIt nearly does actually, i checked and the math is about right.
At lvl 6 with a dirk he should have around 115 AD.
Ignite does 200 damage and electrolute does like 75.
Ulti does 100% of his AD + 25% of non true damage dealt
Passive does 6% max health magic damage.
Morg at 5 has 837 max health, 37 armor and 31 mr.
Now i am not sure how much lethality removes at that lvl and all that so i´ll guess morg ends up with like 34 armor which is like 25% damage reduction, going to drop the magic resistance there too because i am lazy.
Ignite =200.
2 autos = (115 x 2) 0,75 =172
Electrolute = 70 x 0,75 = 52
Passive = (837 x 0,06) 0,75 = 38
R = 115 + ((172+52+38)0,25)) = (115+65) 0,75 =135.
Damage total = 200+172+52+38+135=597-
597/837 = 0,71 =71%
So in conclusion, zed with ignite, 2 autos, passive, electrolute and ulti deals approximately 71% of morgs max health with the things OP mentioned.
Now i wasnt terribly precise having only checked quickly, but it shouldnt be far off at all, if we assume Zed hit is E or another auto it should match i think.
Kosm1K1 votesdirk has a damage passive too, what if he had it ready before hand? if he truly didn't land any spells, it would deal its damage along with his ult which would be an extra 50 which would make it around 75% of morgs hp
aezens4 votesYou can test it easily with a dummi in practice mode.
Ult + 2 aa at level 6 with = 201 dmg (against 100 armor)
which is 310 dmg against a morgana lv 5 (30 armor after armor pen)
+205 from ignite = 515
515/838 ~ 61% of max hp
However he didn´t mentioned whether zed used shadow slash which would ramp up the damage to 321 respectively 494 + 205 = 699 dmg
which is 699/838 ~ 83% of max hp
iPooUnicorns8 votesNo flat armor/mr runes
UnoGetGoldELO8 votesBecause riot is retarded and only cares about monetary gains as theyre no longer a solo company but bitchslapped by tencent so any change that comes or goes is decided by tencent.
they´ve sold out and thats the shitsoup you get now. edgy flashy cancerous skinselling gameplay.
HÔPÊ7 votesActually I have to agree. Lethality is bullshit on wheels, dirk alone can oneshot you. Also ignite is broken. Nothing else is even worth taking anymore, because ignite is just stronger.
BestPudgeNA6 votesIm morgana, level 5. Facing a lvl 6 Zed, only has a dirk. He ults me, misses all of his spells. He then autos me twice and puts ignite on me, and he does 80% of my max hp. What in the flying fuck? How can he deal so much damage while missing his spells?? Where is the counter to that???? How am I supposed to dodge his autos and ignite?
Ignite does 205 Damage at level 6 Zed will have about 115 AD at level 6 with just dirk and runes R will do 100+ 25% of damage dealt Morg has 838 HP and 37 armor at 5 with no defense runes or items 205 True damage 309 Physical damage if ignite does 3 ticks before R pops 514 Damage total damage 61% of Morgs total HP lost
Conclusion OP is lying.
Relia Fortune14 votesIgnite does 205 Damage at level 6 Zed will have about 115 AD at level 6 with just dirk and runes R will do 100+ 25% of damage dealt Morg has 838 HP and 37 armor at 5 with no defense runes or items 205 True damage 309 Physical damage if ignite does 3 ticks before R pops 514 Damage total damage 61% of Morgs total HP lost
Conclusion OP is lying.
Sudden impact? Electrocute proc included? There is stuff you aren't adding in. Yes a clip would be better to see what happened but electrocute still does some damage.
ExpStealer1 votesElectrocute alone does at least 100 to 200 more damage. And that's disgusting as it raises the % lost from 61% to over 80% probably (too lazy to do the maths) [zombie-nunu-bummed] [slayer-jinx-unamused] [zombie-brand-facepalm]
Thefrostyviking3 votesElectrocute alone does at least 100 to 200 more damage. And that's disgusting as it raises the % lost from 61% to over 80% probably (too lazy to do the maths) [zombie-nunu-bummed] [slayer-jinx-unamused] [zombie-brand-facepalm]
Electrolute post mitigation at lvl 6 does around 50-60 damage depending on items and resistances.
Ignite is the real kicker at 200 damage.
Bârd2 votesElectrocute Sudden Impact Scorch Zombie Ward
You also completely forgot about Zed's passive, and if you forgot about that I'm not entirely sure you would have remembered to factor in the +40 damage from Dirk passive.
Thefrostyviking2 votesYou seem to miss some stuff.
I did a calculation as well and i got it to 597 damage from Zed, which is 71% of morgs health.
2 Autos, 230.
Passive, 50.
Electrolute 70 (didnt check specifically but shouldn't be far.)
Now post resistances these together would be 262
R= 115 +(262 x 0,25=65) = (115+65)0,75 =135.
Ignite 200, and this one doesnt feed into his R.
I figured that post his lethality morg ends up having about 30 armor post all his lethality which is about 25% damage reduction.
So his damage total,,,,,,,,,,262+135+200 =597.
597/837 =0,71 =71%.
So in conclusion OP was indeed a bit off......however if we assume Zed used one more auto or hit is E it does seem to be about right.
ExpStealer5 votesR takes into account pre-mitigation damage, so it would deal more.
BestPudgeNA2 votesYou seem to miss some stuff.
I did a calculation as well and i got it to 597 damage from Zed, which is 71% of morgs health.
2 Autos, 230.
Passive, 50.
Electrolute 70 (didnt check specifically but shouldn't be far.)
Now post resistances these together would be 262
R= 115 +(262 x 0,25=65) = (115+65)0,75 =135.
Ignite 200, and this one doesnt feed into his R.
I figured that post his lethality morg ends up having about 30 armor post all his lethality which is about 25% damage reduction.
So his damage total,,,,,,,,,,262+135+200 =597.
597/837 =0,71 =71%.
So in conclusion OP was indeed a bit off......however if we assume Zed used one more auto or hit is E it does seem to be about right.
Lying by 10% is still lying i'm betting the ZED actually hit at least something. I forgot Electrocute, but i didn't account for passive intentionally because Zed wouldn't have proc it in the way the OP described the situation. The irony of the OP though is that he probably had and not 
Thefrostyviking2 votesLying by 10% is still lying i'm betting the ZED actually hit at least something. I forgot Electrocute, but i didn't account for passive intentionally because Zed wouldn't have proc it in the way the OP described the situation. The irony of the OP though is that he probably had
Its either this or he didnt have full health from the start which seems more plausible, if we assume he had 80% when zed jumped him its then possible that the zed might have gotten his passive off, especially if we think that he hit either 1 more auto or the E.
Well OP isnt quite right for leaving things out either though.
BestPudgeNA1 votesIts either this or he didnt have full health from the start which seems more plausible, if we assume he had 80% when zed jumped him its then possible that the zed might have gotten his passive off
Nah because most of the ignite, electrocute and damage wouldn't happen before the second auto and that doesn't account for spell vamp+health pots that are ticking or the fact the passive is magic damage and can be blocked by morg shield. I've seen these type of posts enough to know the OP almost always is embellishing.
Thefrostyviking2 votesI was told that apparently Zed´s ulti counts his damage pre mitigation, so it would deal more than i wrote.
But, indeed, i think Zed landed his E or OP had around 70-75% health rather than 80%, possibly both.
Bârd1 votesDon't forget Zed's passive.
PowerSlave9935 votesElectrocyte which deals massive damage + dirk which has lethality and deals more damage if he killed minion before + ignite + ult damage
Basically the new keystone is helping in that damage a lot.
SangreDeNoche2 votesElectrocyte which deals massive damage + dirk which has lethality and deals more damage if he killed minion before + ignite + ult damage
Basically the new keystone is helping in that damage a lot.
Immediately what I thought of. Electrocute is one of his biggest enablers right now. I'm not even surprised when ignite alone is enough to kill someone when that rune exists.
PowerSlave9933 votesEverytime i see Zed Auto attack someone and when electrocyte procs, it deals massive damage. Like 50% of enemy health goes away from that lightning. LOL
Neptunia xoxo3 votesDon't worry I had a game not long ago where Wukong with only Duskblade warrior enchant 100-0d 2 people at once then proceeded to nearly 1 shot our Camile who red smited him. Lethality needs to be removed and electrocute as well. Also ignite needs to be nerfed and what the fuck are with these damage buffs every patch? multiple rioters agree damage is way too high yet continue to up damage each patch? like... are we being trolled or what??
Boulderox3 votesDamage items are too good for what they do, and tank items are really strong, but are the most boring items in the game half the time They KNOW damage is through the roof and is killing the fun of the game but worlds is upon us and they need to secure the LC$ B!G MON3Y$ so they give 0 fucks about balance until preseason so until then, ENJOY THE DAMAGE BUFFS
Hěro3 votesRemember when Riot said they want to nerf damages ingame? ... Yeah me too.
Seems like they forgot about it once again.
Ceazaru3 votesWhen you nerf all resistances and take away resistance runes with and give nothing back this is what happened. Riots new runes are mostly damage, mobility and sustain.
T Captain T2 votesMan I feel it, I play against Zed's mid all the time and they'll always miss double shuriken but can land at least one E+ignite and it's almost my whole health.
Bμbble Butt2 votesIf you have a problem with it don't buy skins.
Money speaks louder than words. They honestly don't even look at boards it feels. Just don't spend & you will either get what you want or the game will die.
l love Ahri2 votesAs a Zed main... this might be full of bias but all I have to say is:
He had a that significantly increases his damage and gives him lethality. What about you? Did you rush 
yet? Because that item literally cucks Zed especially early game. 
cucks Zed even more. If you had at least 1 of these items, then please mention it in your post since it is important, if you didnt then its your fault. Actually... 
alone is enough.
Zed's ultimate pops off based on the damage he deals to you before it pops. He AA'd you 2 times and ignited you, then the pop repeats that damage.
Assassins have a lot of damage, Zed is one of them. You were playing Morgana who is supposed to be VERY squishy and a food for assassins.
You had so much counter. You said that he R you and misses ALL of his spells, good. Next, He AA'd you 2 times. This could've been prevented when you Q him. You could've taken minimal, or no damage assuming that Zed didnt AA you immediately after ulting and not stupid enough to waste his ignite on you. You could've cucked him more using your W. If you also didnt use your E yet, then you should've used it to minimize damage.
It was also possible that Electrocute proc'd on you. Also cant forget the "Sudden Impact" rune
"But my Q was on cooldown" Then its fair. Zed looked for an opportunity. He punished you.
"But I didnt have enough mana" You were playing a squishy, immobile mage and had low mana and you were playing against an assassin. You should've recalled unless your jungle was going to gank, then staying in lane while having low mana is basically a suicide.
"My Q missed" Skillshots favor skill.
"The damage and lethality from the dirk is at fault"
Zed (or assasins in general) is pretty weak before he gets 
and other bullshit lethality items like 
. A wont win against or especially . I think right now its a mess. Riot should do something about lethality and armor pen to make most of the players happy while also make assassin mains satisfied. Oh wait, that's probably not possible.
Also, I dont know why he would ignite unless he was sure to get a kill. You just wasted his ignite. Well done. You also survived. I dont recommend playing Morgana mid next time against Zed if you dont know how to deal with him. Maybe use Fizz instead.
I think I'm going to get lots of downvotes since boards mainly favors mages and tanks over assassins. Anything that deals more damage than the champion they are playing is apparently "unbalanced" but please... I was just trying to help you
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