Being attacked by dragon which destroys banshee shield does not make any sense. I thought the item is against Champion not Monsters and Minions. This Completely destroys its purpose - to Block Enemy Champion' Spell
Xx420n0sc0p3sxX24 votesAs arbiteroftruth stated, dragons attack is a spell, not an auto. This was because panth could solo it after blue buff. This is the same reason why jax cant block the auto.
It shouldnt stop banshees, though.
Aheadatime3 votesCouldn't this be resolved by simply;
doiminat0r36004 votesNo because Jax would still be able to dodge and Panth would still be able to block it.
Literally the entire reason the comment was made was to say it was to prevent certain champions from blocking autos. Your only real point was to make it an auto attack.
Eedat1 votesIt wouldnt affect Jax but it would fix Panth. The increased attack rate would be much too fast for him to stack his passive. Before the change (at dragons current attack speed) its just barely possible for him to stack his passive factoring in his attack speed and the CD on his E. The increased attack speed would make it impossible for him to have his passive up every time.
doiminat0r36002 votesPanth isnt the only problem. Jax is a problem as well. It isnt very healthy to be able to solo drag at level 3 period.
Arsenic Sulfur4 votesCan't wait till they do something about Malz soloing drag at level 3...
Teslium1 votesAatrox can solo dragon at level 4.
doiminat0r36001 votesSomeone with nearly urgot levels of play.
DrinkMoreWhiskey1 votesPanth isnt the only problem. Jax is a problem as well. It isnt very healthy to be able to solo drag at level 3 period.
Lots of heroes can solo drag at level 3.... Weird how it's not a problem. You give up a ton of map pressure doing it and it's really risky.
Aheadatime1 votesEr. Along with making it an auto attack, my point was to increase it's attack speed. Panth can only block autos so often. If the attack speed on dragon is high enough, the % of damage he mitigates is lowered. Same with Jax, as his dodge is on CD. The more autos that hit him while its on CD, the less damage he mitigates.
doiminat0r36001 votesJust because you increase it's attack speed doesn't mean Jax can't still do it. It only solves part of the problem. Malz can do it easily if it's not infernal or mountain.
Alüe20 votespeople still use this item?
edit: should of put in quotations stating this is rhetorical
Ps: of course this item is still used just 
is a stronger item all around...
SlashStriker23 votespeople still use this item?
pretty much the best way to counter champions like Leblanc or any spellburst champion
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SkyBlade7934 votesLove how sona just has the period.
3ofGot40ve84 votesEvery lady has one.
SkyBlade7925 votes[zombie-brand-facepalm]
rtbf2256182411 votesWhat is the source of this anyway?
dogownerjr1 votesBruh, best comment I've seen in forever.
Bagguette3 votesIf a team is just pure magic with 1 attack damage character i get both spirit visage and banshees
Alüe2 votesi don't bother the reduction in ap damage combined with health from other items out weighs the use of 1 spell imo.
HateDaddy4 votespeople still use this item?
edit: should of put in quotations stating this is rhetorical
Ps: of course this item is still used just
I don't think that's the case any longer. Banshees is 500 gold cheaper, gives 15 more MR in exchange for no CDR and 200 less HP. I think the trade offs are actually pretty good, especially if you aren't going to make use of the 25% increased healing spirit visage gives. Sure it works on base hp regen but I'd honestly rather pick up an early banshees at this point. It's recipe is nice, it's cheap and it's passive is still decent.!
Jesus is Savior2 votesI don't think that's the case any longer. Banshees is 500 gold cheaper, gives 15 more MR in exchange for no CDR and 200 less HP. I think the trade offs are actually pretty good, especially if you aren't going to make use of the 25% increased healing spirit visage gives. Sure it works on base hp regen but I'd honestly rather pick up an early banshees at this point. It's recipe is nice, it's cheap and it's passive is still decent.!
Hey HateDaddy. Question.
I've been buying a banshee with the intent to sell it if a game drags out (due to its low price and bad late-game slot efficiency.
Is this a valid strategy on non-tanks? (Fall behind, buy banshee, get ahead, get to full build and sell banshee for 6th damage item).
forresto1 votesHp regen isnt a super useful thing late mid - late game anyway unless you're specifically building for it.
Support Evelynn11 votesNo it makes perfect sense. It makes it more risky for the team doing the objective.
MrryZ3 votesNot sure why you're getting downvoted I think it's a good way to increase the risk of dragon. A team shouldn't get a free dragon because the other team can't engage due to them having banshees up.
Banshee7 votesLMAO i thought this was a post talking smack about me for a second.
DREADN0UGHT1 votesLUL
ArbiterOfTruth5 votesIt was originally an attack and people were abusing Panth's passive to get really early dragon kills so they changed it to a spell to get around his shield.
General Esdeath 5 votesDragon auto attacks are coded as spells so Pantheon can't solo it
Lirik7 votesRiot's Spaghetti code ! [slayer-pantheon-popcorn]
General Esdeath 1 votesHow?
I was Lupxel3 votesRiot couldn't make Pantheon passive not be affected by Dragon, so instead they made Dragon attacks spells; leading to that problem
IntakiNine2 votesThat's not spaghetti code, that's just working within the parameters of an established system.
PB4UAME1 votesIts spaghetti code, but only loosely. Any time you have to work around the simple or obvious solution, and it negatively or non-intuitively affects other situations based on how you coded it-- that's what spaghetti code is.
ForeverLaxx7 votes"Spaghetti code" is just the playerbase's catch-all term for things that they think don't make sense, despite the fact that a spell acting like a spell is doing everything as expected.
SOLOQSUPERHERO2 votes^ Yes
Billy VoHagen2 votesThe reason that dragon and baron attacks are counted as spells was because of how pantheon was able to solo dragon extremely early.
ZT Xperimentor1 votesI miss when it had a 20 second cooldown, that was actually useful back then in season 1 & 2. Then they nerfed it because 'champions didn't have spam-able abilities to pierce it'. Now look at the champion pool being played, spam-able abilities everywhere! Yet no veil revert.
DREADN0UGHT1 votesThe problem with the 20 second cooldown was that it could be abused to countersiege. You technically could get 2 banshees within a single minion wave. So it gave alot of power to the defending team under their tower. Now the item kinda feels useless for countersieging. More of a teamfight-ready item.
ZT Xperimentor1 votesIt's always been a unique passive so that it cannot stack with itself, to avoid exactly that problem. Same thing with several other items; sunfire cape, bloodthirster, black cleaver, warmogs, ext. Several champions have low cooldown abilities now thanks to either reworks & the excessive cooldown reduction on items.
DREADN0UGHT1 votes[zombie-brand-facepalm]
Sorry, I think i wasn't clear. Let me rephrase.
''You technically could get 2 banshees within a single minion wave''
I did not mean that in the literal way, I meant that with a 20 second cooldown, you could technically get the shield twice within a single wave. Since minion waves spawn every 30 seconds. Which meant that with one minion wave sieging, the defending team could avoid alot of diving.
Sorry I wasn't too clear haha
EDIT: And iirc, I think that is exactly why Riot made the cooldown longer. I think it was in the tl;dr in patch notes.
ZT Xperimentor1 votesOhh I gotcha, yeah I wasn't thinking particularly clearly myself since I was waiting on dinner to finish cooking.
Granted, it would still be useless against spam reliant champions such as ezreal & zed; but it would be significantly more helpful against the all-in styles like vi & vayne. But with it's cooldown being nearly as long as the average respawn timer, it feels like just a bundle of stats since burst damage is often quickly accessible.
Tuning it between the original & changed timers I'd think would be a more fair trade off in the long run; something like 30sec. As there's still a few champions played that have lengthy times of being unable to fight while waiting for cooldowns or combos.
DREADN0UGHT2 votesI agree that 30 seconds would seem like a reasonable cooldown. Idk why rito hasn't done it.
ZT Xperimentor1 votesThere's plenty of things that they could do to make the game more enjoyable & balanced; but they gotta make it over-exciting for no better reason than greed.
GawnMower1 votesIts probably back when pantheon could take dragon at lvl 1 without taking any(if you were V.good)/hardley any damage with the correct runepage. so i imagine they changed its attack to be an ability cast rather than a basic attack in order to stop the interaction with his passive
