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Suggested Zed Nerfs and Explanations

Very Hard Engage··1 votes·417 views

right now zed is an all around great pick for a few reasons.

  1. he has great single target damage potential.
  2. he has a reliable escape.
  3. he as very high AD.
  4. his build is full penetration making armor very weak and or you didnt go full armor, you're probably going to die if i target you anyway
  5. he has very low CD's on his damage dealing abilities
  6. a great early game laning phase.

overall theres more reasons why zed is great, but these are the most important ones to focus on.

Im not saying all of these should happen, but a combination of the following could bring zed balance in the game.

  1. reduce the range he can cast his shadow clone at earlier ranks. what this would do is make him more susceptible to ganks from more champions, they could potentially chase zed or really punish him for over extending.

  2. Increase the cooldown on his Q. This gives him less in lane poke and it would make him come into the minion wave to melee to cs more, having to choose between taking an AA and trading back with Q, or staying back and finishing with Q.

  3. give zed an actual resource (like mana) this would mean he cant just spam in lane and it would also give him more build options. such as manamune.

  4. lower his base damages on his skills but increase his scaling to maintain his current damage. this again hurts his laning phase, he cant poke so much.

  5. Reduce the thrown shadows travel time. so he cant instantly escape. (somehwere along the lines of say .75s travel time seem fair?) (( xD i jest i jest))

6 Comments

Fizz is not Fish1 votes

then give him 550 AA range plz.

TomA3X1 votes

  1. He's an assassin, that's the idea

  2. Not really, its on an 18 second cooldown, and he has to use it to kill you 90% of the time.

  3. If you are referring to the Scaling on his W, most Zed players max Q then E, so you don't even see the extra damage until the late game.

  4. So what? You have several item options, ever heard of Zonyas Hourglass? It's got this cool active which completely nullifies his ultimate. Guess what, after that, he's pretty useless for 2 minutes.

  5. His damage dealers are skillshots, which you can dodge. As long as you aren't stupid and can AA harrass when he tries to farm, he is required to use his W to poke you, which is on an 20 something second cooldown. Even the E, he must be in range for, or throw his W first.

  6. He really doesn't, if his opponent can a) Stand behind minions. b) Dodge Q's c) Harass

Any of the above makes his early lane terrible.

Very Hard Engage1 votes

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  1. He's an assassin, that's the idea

  2. Not really, its on an 18 second cooldown, and he has to use it to kill you 90% of the time.

  3. If you are referring to the Scaling on his W, most Zed players max Q then E, so you don't even see the extra damage until the late game.

  4. So what? You have several item options, ever heard of Zonyas Hourglass? It's got this cool active which completely nullifies his ultimate. Guess what, after that, he's pretty useless for 2 minutes.

  5. His damage dealers are skillshots, which you can dodge. As long as you aren't stupid and can AA harrass when he tries to farm, he is required to use his W to poke you, which is on an 20 something second cooldown. Even the E, he must be in range for, or throw his W first.

  6. He really doesn't, if his opponent can a) Stand behind minions. b) Dodge Q's c) Harass

Any of the above makes his early lane terrible.

you're missing the point, he can Q indefinitely in lane unrestricted, if hes getting pushed on its extremely easy to gank with a zed in lane. his Q is hardly a skill shot with its missile speed. now if you're talking about his double Q which does EVEN MORE damage, yes, that is tough to land.

(just checked you on lolking, you fed ridiculously your first game in ranked as zed you went 0-7 with 111cs, and your best game in normals you went 11/10) just because you dont know how to play the champ doesn't mean the rest of the world cant capitalize on zeds massive strengths.

TomA3X1 votes

Nope, he can't. If he Q's off cooldown he'll run out of energy. Also, with all that Qing, there is no way he won't push the wave, setting up for an easy gank. It is definitely dodgable, unless you're on 150 + ping.

Thats the thing with Zed, you have to main him to be good at him. I haven't played him seriously in a while. I mained him for a while late S4 and did pretty well, you must be looking quite recently. My points were made from the point of view of someone playing against Zed, my skill with zed doesn't really matter. If I can play against him, and you think i'm bad, others should definitely be able to.

On a side note, this is the first game I could find where you played against a Zed. http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1731417124/203807166?tab=overview You went 0/6 on Veigar.

He killed you first before 4 minutes, which is pretty terrible, seeing as if Zed kept going in on you then it's easy to just pick up your E and prevent him from doing so.

After you'd already given up first blood, you know Zed is going to be a problem for you, but instead of rushing Zonyas, you get a Morellos??!

If you don't play OR itemize correctly, how do you expect to win against any champion, let alone Zed?

Very Hard Engage1 votes

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Nope, he can't. If he Q's off cooldown he'll run out of energy. Also, with all that Qing, there is no way he won't push the wave, setting up for an easy gank. It is definitely dodgable, unless you're on 150 + ping.

Thats the thing with Zed, you have to main him to be good at him. I haven't played him seriously in a while. I mained him for a while late S4 and did pretty well, you must be looking quite recently. My points were made from the point of view of someone playing against Zed, my skill with zed doesn't really matter. If I can play against him, and you think i'm bad, others should definitely be able to.

On a side note, this is the first game I could find where you played against a Zed. http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1731417124/203807166?tab=overview You went 0/6 on Veigar.

He killed you first before 4 minutes, which is pretty terrible, seeing as if Zed kept going in on you then it's easy to just pick up your E and prevent him from doing so.

After you'd already given up first blood, you know Zed is going to be a problem for you, but instead of rushing Zonyas, you get a Morellos??!

If you don't play OR itemize correctly, how do you expect to win against any champion, let alone Zed?

when a zed is pushing super hard and gets first blood thanks to a wukong camping mid lane i have no chance at getting a kill against the zed when behind. (especially when he builds merc treds) im left to farm under turret all game, which i cant do with a zhonyas. morellos allows me to cs more. (secondly zed is a hard counter to veigar, not that you care) (in addition i wasn't the one who picked into the zed, i was counterpicked and made irrelevant, go ahead and look at my stats on veigar) Zed has 3 reliable counters, lissandra, talon, and leblanc. outside of these champs its reliant you get hard cc on him otherwise he will win eventually.

Its not that zed "cant" run out of energy (75(rank1) (55rank5) cost 6sec CD, 10 Eregen/s) its that he can use his harass skill significantly more times in lane before his first back than any other champion, whereas other champs oom fairly quickly if they want to harass. the problem isn't that "zed has no counters" its that for example syndra vs zed, zed has lifesteal, 3 healthpots. syndra has dorans. Syndra can cast her Q for ~ 80damage(about 24AP with armor mpen runes) assuming it lands about 13 or 14 before going oom and cant do anything else, whereas zed has casted his Q equally about 13 times and is still ready for more. and capable for more rounds.

the fact that zed had 3 health pots means he can take half of syndras orbs and still be full health zed on the other hand was able to hit syndra for ~90 damage with each of his Q's (assuming zed has 80AD, 42MR)

assuming zed hit with half of those Q's of his,(assume 7) hes done (well take off 30% assuming syndra has armor runes) 630damage (now 440 damage) to syndra, -2 pots is 300 health, so syndra has lost 140health health, congratz, 2 players of equal skill zed is now full hp and syndra is at 3/4ths to 4/5ths of her health. and is primed and ready for a gank.

so where does that leave us syndra is now oom and gank fodder or zed is free to push knowing syndra either has to back or have the jungler come and cover her lane.

zeds laning phase is completely unfair.

assuming syndra decided not to go all in, but rather played back and just played the cs game. thats fine, anytime he goes to cs you aa him (any zed will take this time to Q you since your AAing) you lose the trade already, you only did about 50 damage to him with an AA and he just Q'd you for 90. (ok you use an ability) WRONG you now pushed the wave in his favor to his turret, now you are going to be ganked.

zed wins lane, its that simple. he has plenty of waveclear when he wants to push, and with his high early ad he can reliably farm under turret not needing to prep caster minions to last him them.

Aaravos1 votes

The problem with Zed his passive and his w passive fit into a late game carry and not into an early-mid game assasin.

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