Optional opinion: I don't think laning against Zoe is the problem

Call Me Nana·Aug 11, 2018·15 votes·7,200 views

Laning against electrocute + ignite is the problem.

Even as a Zoe main, i don't think its fair that minions can drop ignite.

17 Comments

MuxxikAug 11, 20188 votes

As opposed to a mandatory opinion.

PsyrixAug 11, 20185 votes

I think ignite should be nerfed as well as electrocute (electrocute is getting some upfront damage removed). I also think that Zoe should pick up slightly weaker versions of summoner spells ant items, maybe also have it so she's unable to cast two of the spells in quick succession (or at least two ignites)... so a 3-5 second cd between uses or something like that.

hhaavviikkAug 11, 20184 votes

laning against zoe is the problem because it isn't fun, just like laning against yasuo isn't fun

LordGeovanniAug 12, 20181 votes

Just like laning against ezreal isnt fun.

HaIlMonitorAug 12, 20181 votes

To be fair Laning vs Ezreal is usually just boring. I dont know about you but boring lanes are fine to me (like farm fest), the bad ones are ones that you stand there because if you do anything you die.

LordGeovanniAug 12, 20181 votes

Ezreal has both With his Q that resets itself and all of his other spells including his cross map ult and instat blink excape. Most ezreal players play super passive and farm with q but good ones farm with autos and Poke with Q and the Q is up so often its no different from playing versus Zoe with her Q except that Its up more often and you have less of a heads up to dodge. It doesnt scale as much as zoe later initially but it ends up in near the same place due to being able to proc on hit effects item 3042 item 3025 / item 3078 though it will be lower on intial hit because most people buy armor items more than magic resit items becasuse auto attacks do physical damage and are still a big factor at all parts of the game comming from multiple champions inlcuding mages

HaIlMonitorAug 12, 20181 votes

Yeah I mean how man ezreal Q's does it take to die vs how many Zoe Q's? What I was getting at is I am fine with boring lanes, I just dont like lanes if I trade I auto lose.

Giga BaboonAug 11, 20184 votes

It's cause zoe mains don't think at all

The fact that zoe can clear waves starting at lvl 1 with a 0 mana cost Q is a problem, a problem too subtle for the likes of meddler ardent isn't overtuned or repeturd lets make rengars q a melee skillshot

Call Me NanaAug 13, 20181 votes

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It's cause zoe mains don't think at all

The fact that zoe can clear waves starting at lvl 1 with a 0 mana cost Q is a problem, a problem too subtle for the likes of meddler ardent isn't overtuned or repeturd lets make rengars q a melee skillshot

zoe can never clear a wave at level 1, ever. lol

Frosted TipsAug 11, 20182 votes

Minions shouldn't be able to drop summoners IMO.

Crimson ZeppelinAug 11, 20181 votes

It does true damage. Why not change it into adaptive?
It cuts healing from potions.
It does mad damage.

HaIlMonitorAug 12, 20181 votes

It does true damage. Why not change it into adaptive?

They would end up having to buff it anyways at some point. I would rather them just cut some damage on both ends instead of changing it where it would go from the best to the flat out worst instantly.

SpyKayleAug 11, 20181 votes

Its pretty much an even bigger problem after the ignite buffs. Hey... I just had you in one of my games. No wonder your name looked familiar

Warlord RhinarkAug 11, 20181 votes

I think we need to remove the fact that she can pick up Summoner Spells from Minions entirely.

If not, at least make it large minions only.

BrokenRayquazaAug 11, 20181 votes

I agree. Ignite electrocute on Zoe is broken. Heck it's busted on everyone but....

Noor SakataAug 11, 20181 votes

As much as Those are broken for Zoe , she is still a big problem , her w and her low mana costs , she spams more than any other mage because of how cheap her mana costs are , even if Electrocute and Ignite will get nerfs , she still need a nerf , most of Zoe players I usually see in my matches or in streams usually take barrier , and Aery or Comet

LordGeovanniAug 12, 20181 votes

In my opinion zoe getting summoners and items arent a problem even teleport although it would be better to be able to ping she has teleport like a special 3rd summoner slot in the score board for zoe or zoe pings in both chats what she has when she picks it up and if she isnt visable to the enemy team the enemy team doesnt see what she got in chat. WHat is broken is that her 'immobile' self gets a better ghost than summoner spell ghost and damage when she uses her W she doesnt need either. Summoner spells are already considered to be some of the strongest spells in the game and she can pick up one after another use them and get extra effects that is what is broken to me. i dont think her Q is balanced right either but if riot touches it again they will most likely break it all over again. Electrocute is a problem not so much ignite but rather that teleport and ghost are in such a bad spot that you dont want to take anything else and people dont use barrier and heal because they following the meta.