Anyone else think that shaco is the perfect example of what an assassin should be?

xTropicalPenguin·Jun 7, 2016·8 votes·526 views

I was just thinking about it but a shaco player actually has to think like an assassin, he has to plan ahead with boxes and basically use everything in his kit to perform an assassination correctly, because once he pops out of stealth, he has to commit. It's not like where it's "ah shit he ain't dead i can just fucking bounce with no punishment whatsoever unless i'm bad", or "i'm just gonna do my rotation right into their team and get out(if i'm good enough at this champ)". If shaco manages to get out from a bad decision, it's because he set up his escape route before hand with boxes, he's an assassin that can outplay you, and get outplayed. i hope one day rito makes another assassin like him.

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Very Hard EngageJun 7, 20164 votes

i think khazix is the best example of assassin balance, rewarded for going in and getting a kill, wants to pick off 1v1, and his ult is tied in to "outplay".

Cucked VirjhïnJun 7, 20162 votes

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i think khazix is the best example of assassin balance, rewarded for going in and getting a kill, wants to pick off 1v1, and his ult is tied in to "outplay".

I agree with khzaxi his passive is designed for an assassin, it gives him way more power in a 1v1 like an assassin would have. I also agree with OP about how LB Zed and Fizz can just go in and if they don't die they leave without getting poked, its kinda unfair. But then again LB passive is more for trickery so she isn't really an assassin

IlliadJun 7, 20164 votes

Shaco has nothing but a toxic kit design lol, hes the example of a trickster like lb.

The Last BalladJun 7, 20162 votes

The only time I felt cheated against a shaco was when I'm killed instantly by a fed one, but he had to work to get to there(hopefuly).

During One for All I had a game of Shacos against Jinxs. THEY WERE EVERYWHERE. All 5 of us Jinxs pushed mid towards the end, and the Shacos just kept on coming. We had to of killed at least 15 of them before we managed to get to their base turret(the other turrets were already destroyed) AND THEY STILL WERE COMING!

It was fun.

Only Play DariusJun 7, 20162 votes

I think Zed is more well designed than people give credit for. But Fizz/LB can burn in hell

MunchCrunchLunchJun 8, 20162 votes

no shaco is toxic. nobody cares about shaco because he falls off really hard and hes been nerfed a lot. otherwise. hes toxic. just as toxic as rengar and kha zix. appear outta nowhere two shot you kind of toxic. lets not play pretend here. if they buffed his damage shaco would be qqd all over just like zed if not more.

you can build shaco to basically work like rengar. ie trinity force yommous duskblade literally instakill with 1 or 2 autos. including the q.

hes got a dash into a stealth that tells you nothing about where he is. at least rengar cant really escape with his ult reliably.

there are no non-toxic assassins in league. the class itself. is supposed to be toxic. how can you not be toxic when your supposed to one shot most squishies with no counterplay? thats what makes you toxic. there are two ways assassins work in league. one is mobility. two is stealth. look at every assassins

am not gonna say in chat "outplayed" when i kill someone in under a second. thats no time to react.

Titanium70Jun 7, 20161 votes

Shaco definately is one of the best Assassin Designs in the Game, vulnerable when outsmarted - clear Powercurve.

Kha is similar, but he usually overpowers an opponent instead of out smarting him.

In general there are 2 Assassin Classes with 2 Sub categorys.

The Lane Assassins and the Jungle Assassins - The OverPower Assassins and the Outsmart Assassins.

In terms of game health, the lane Assassins are the least healthy because they usually have ability patterns that doesnt fit Assassins at all - Waveclear for example. (hi Zed) Additionally the PowerAssassins are less healthy than the SmartAssassins. Shaco feels better to play against than Kha (who is somewhere in between when not fed) , and Kha feels better to play against than Rengo, who does nothing else but jumping into your face.

Thats why I like Shaco - no obnoxious Lane patterns - needs to outsmart his opponents. And thats why I hate the likes of Zed or (old)Fizz* - obnoxious Lanepatterns and simply all ins everything which is no Tank when Ult is up.

*I admit: Fizz got some changes that made him alot healthier. ^^

SpoofghoulJun 7, 20161 votes

i hope one day riot makes all assassins more shaco like

more conditional burst more conditional mobility or at least the use of it has certain conditions liek shaco wants to get behind someone with it.

No more % hp damage on assassins

maybe possible execute abilities so they can sneak up on and kill wounded low hp targets

i think kha also is more balanced, although sometimes a tad frustrating just my opinion tho. he wants to isolate you for damage which is what i meant with conditional burst same as shaco he needs to attack from behind

things like that give counterplay possibilities the thing i dont like too much is the full reset on his jump i think a soft cdr reset like fiora has would be more approriate for assassins then full resets and fiora can spam it too much but this is about assassins not fiora ^^

But yea what id like to see for assassins in general

being able to isolate and execute low on hp targets. This is something i think should almost be exclusive to the assassin class. This would be valuable vs sustain shielding draintanking so assassins as a class have a more unique purpose and ability if your team gets em low you can blow them up with larger burst stuff like that.

Mobility usable for engage with long cooldowna nd a soft reset on using it to deal damage/engage so its weaker as a disnegage tool this provides counterplay options. Forcing their cc to dodge or disengage gives you a window of opportunity.

More unique kits, they are all very generalistic with high mobility high base damage bullshit defensive options etc there currently is little ''outplay'' to playing an assassin shaco has it khazix has it a little bit and zad has it a littlebit Zeds assassination pattern holds quite a strong weakness, khazix would be better if there was more counterplay to stealth. But lets be honest a fizz hopping onto his pole doesnt feel like outplay at all it feels more like bullshit, same with a leblanc dashing 5 screens away, what are you realistically supposed to do with that . . .

I want more counterplay to stealth and mobility through item passives and actives and then give more stealth or other unique tools options to assassins for positioning purposes for engage/disnegage with more conditional burst so you can try and prevent it etc