I really don't understand why people complain about this champion? She is able to dash to me multiple times and nuke me when I have resistances. There has never been a game where I have won against this champion as Ryze.
disregardable2 votesthe key is not feeding her
The Ecdysiast1 votesthe key is not feeding her
You gonna actually tell OP how to do that or do not want to actually be part of the discussion?
The Ecdysiast1 votesIf your problem with any magic-damage champion is that they can do something, and I quote, "multiple times," then your mind should always automatically go to 
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Maybe the reason you've not won against her is you've always bought the wrong defense item.
NodirjonSattarov2 votesYou must not understand the difference between those items. Adaptive Helm is better for DoT abilities. Adaptive helm only affects 2 of Diana's abilities (Pale Cascade and Lunar Rush). W is only maxed 3rd after Q and R so I certainly wont be gaining anything from blocking that repetitive damage. Additionally, the orbs are the magic source that I'm blocking and they have a low AP ratio and low base damage. Her R, on the other hand, is reset-able which I would be able to mitigate but by how much? Adaptive Helm mitigates 20% of subsequent magic damage from a spell for 100 magic damage becomes 80 magic damage, and you want me to build this item instead of Abyssal Mask? You really need to know itemization before trying to make me look stupid. Adaptive Helm doesn't return mana, has no mana in build path, terrible build path, and is hardly built on any champion in the game.
The Ecdysiast1 votesYou must now understand the type of item Adaptive Helm is better for DoT abilities. Adaptive helm only affects 2 of Diana's abilities (Pale Cascade and Lunar Rush). W is only maxed 3rd after Q and R so I certainly wont be gaining anything from blocking that repetitive damage. Additionally, the orbs are the magic source that I'm blocking and they have a low AP ratio and low base damage. Her R, on the other hand, is reset-able which I would be able to mitigate but by how much? Adaptive Helm mitigates 20% of subsequent magic damage from a spell for 100 magic damage becomes 80 magic damage, and you want me to build this item instead of Abyssal Mask? You really need to know itemization before trying to make me look stupid. Adaptive Helm doesn't return mana, has no mana in build path, terrible build path, and is hardly built on any champion in the game.
It effects her passive and Lich Bane as well. And Nashor's if she buys that.
The items have the same health and defense, so your argument that Adaptive "only" mitigates an extra 20% doesn't hold up. If it had lower base stats, you'd have a point. But it doesn't.
And the point about it having no mana is meaningless when you actually look at the math. 300 bonus mana equates to a grand total of 36 extra damage even with his highest-damage combo, QEQWQ. And that's without factoring in the enemy's magic resist.
Compared to that, even blocking just 20% of one repeated instance of damage is worth more. With Morello, Proto, Doran's, and starting AP, she'll have 175. Which means: Her W rank 1 will deal 57 per orb -> 23 damage blocked Her R rank 1 will deal 205 -> 41 damage blocked.
That's a total of 64 damage blocked. So Adaptive, even with the bare minimum a Diana will throw at you, gives you more than Abyssal.
I'm not trying to make you look stupid, I'm simply correcting you. Being wrong doesn't make you stupid.
Stray Kat1 votesAs Diana, a good Ryze is scary. I can't burst him in one rotation, and he can rock me once I'm in there with him still alive. The trick is Ryze needs to abuse me pre-6, and respect my 6. At 6-7 I can 1-shot him, and if I do it's over for him. If not, and he rushes RoA, it's over for me.
In my experience as a diana 1-trick.
Side note - Barrier into Diana.
TwinkiePro1 votesAs Diana, a good Ryze is scary. I can't burst him in one rotation, and he can rock me once I'm in there with him still alive. The trick is Ryze needs to abuse me pre-6, and respect my 6. At 6-7 I can 1-shot him, and if I do it's over for him. If not, and he rushes RoA, it's over for me.
In my experience as a diana 1-trick.
Isn't that a problem tho? For a champion to be abused but suddenly one shots once they hit 6? It needs to be a requirement to wittle down your enemy first but Riot seems to think this is more fun.
NodirjonSattarov1 votesSo I can "abuse" you for the first 6 min of the game and you get to nuke me for the rest? How is that okay lol?
Poske1 votesSo I can "abuse" you for the first 6 min of the game and you get to nuke me for the rest? How is that okay lol?
Diana is quite onesided and doesnt function in teamfights unlike ryze.
Stray Kat2 votesSee, the key factor here is that if she doesn't kill you at level 6-8, and you rush that RoA/Merc Treads/Have Barrier, she's never going to. She'll dive in, get you to 30-40% health, and have nothing left to do as you take two steps back and proceed to combo her with your entire kit repeatedly as she limps away toward her tower.
Take my word for it, the most annoying thing I can face is someone who keeps my farm low pre 6, plays safe so I can't burst them at 6, rushes RoA/Mercs. They straight invalidate me as long as they don't step into my range at 6-8 before they've bought enough items to survive the burst.
It's just how it goes against Diana.
Poske1 votesOk so first of all Sorcs are must the more you deviate from sorcs the more trash midlaner you are Diana one shot doesnt stop with MR because often times she overkills wiht just RW You can definetly stop the Ahri, Lb, Ekko burst with mr but diana not so much
The way you stop diana is by simply not entering her range.
NodirjonSattarov1 votesThe main problem I have with Diana is that in an extended fight (she is a burst mage/assassin) I should come out victorious because I should out sustain her and "kite" her (as Ryze). But, like old Akali, the amount of times she can reset her Q + R is just obnoxious and unfair. If she lands Q + R then W -> E, ( at level 6) she has a 3s gap between her W knock + slow to execute another Q + R. So, even if I am able to escape her initial burst, she still is capable of bursting me again. Her Q + R is just an insane nuke. Her other 2 abilities are absolutely useless and I don't know why they don't take some power out of her Q + R and put it into the other abilities to make it a bit more fairer.
The "just stay out of her range" advice is petty. Her R range is 825 and the legendary R+Q -> R combo reset is something that has been executed on me multiple times. Her Q range is 900 which is a huge range for an ability that resets her R. Ryze only has one ability that is 100 units greaters and that's his Q that doesn't do damage without E on the unit. Ryze other abilities are both 615 units and his range is 550. I literally can't do anything in lane vs Diana. Both her abilities that out range mine cost less, do more damage, and can be reset. I'm not trying to make every champion balance according to Ryze, but playing other champions like Mordekaiser or TF into Diana is so overwhelming. I can't help but ask why the Diana community cry about their champion being "weak" or whatever when I am constantly blasted by Diana who has a perfectly normal early game and a fantastic mid game. Imagine crying about a champion who is decent and claiming they're weak when there are a multitude of champions that are actual garbage tier and get left there. Other champions I can kite but god damn Diana reminds me of old Akali in the number of times I've seen her reset her R
NodirjonSattarov1 votesHow does Ryze function in team fights? He can only root one person once and is on an extensive CD, has been nerfed, and root duration is nonexistent with Mercurial Treads. Sure, he can double E flux MAYBE but I have only done that a few times in the hundreds of games I played. His old E functioned better in team fights because it was AoE on the initial cast, not like his current pseudo AoE trashcan ability. Diana, on the other hand, can function better in team fights with her knock up and slow. Obviously, a Diana wouldn't dive mindlessly but she has superior range with her QR combo compared to Ryze ability range and her damage is more potent. What does Ryze have in terms of team fight? His trashcan ability R. I hate this fucking ability. Either no one takes it, everyone takes it and dies, or the ADC takes it when I'm using it for baron vision and they port into 5 man baron brawl.
UKP LK1 votesThe only way diana be able to kill you is when shes 6,7 not whole game, when you get ur item and scale she cant nuke u anymore and u nuke her, ryze only strong with 2+ item. If you gonna stand there for diana to Q + R you then its ur fault. Simply dodge her Q, use ur abilities push wave then walk back, just push wave and farm poke if u can, if you are not good enough just keep pushing wave and back when ur out of mana. Just scale and wait stuff to happen, u dont need to 1v1 if u cant
Side note: what rank am I talking to?
NodirjonSattarov1 votesI love how rank has something to do with this and I love how people on the both forums gatekeep like a motherfucker. Do you actually think I'm standing there taking Diana Q's on purpose? Ryze is only strong when he is full build. Any mage at 1 items is stronger than Ryze at 1 item, any mage at 2 items is stronger than Ryze at 2 items, any mage at 3,4 items is stronger than Ryze at 3,4 items.
Next, I'm not just standing around waiting for Diana Q + R. I am doing my best to dodge abilities while trying to farm on Ryze (who has no mana refund like Diana and every other mage does). When I do get hit by Q + R, 90% of the time I am able to shield combo sustain her initiate wave of damage and get out of range, ONLY to have her Q + R to me again. She has a slow, she has a shield, she has AS steroid, she has a knock back (knock in or whatever), and she has empowered autos. Assuming that she has level 6 and 3 ranks in Q (max Q first) her Q is on 7s CD. Typically, she'll have stinger which reduces it to 6.3 seconds. Her combo would be Q > R > E > W. Q -> R takes 1 second to execute and E for knocks me closer and slows me down for 2 seconds. Assuming I get out in time (without flash) there is 3 seconds in between her E and for her to land Q + R again. I'm slowed so I cannot easily move away from her in time without a dash (playing Ryze) which allows her to land Q + R again.
Look, I'm just tired of the boards telling me to just "dodge" X or Y spell and live another day. I don't play any champions that have high mobility or dashes/blinks. Just looking at recent champions that you've been playing (Ezreal, Kai'sa, Kayn, Rengar, Zed), well of course you'd be able to just "dodge" easily since you have something in your kit to allow you to do so but no everyone plays those champions.
MiracleMorg941 votesWell thank Meddler and GC for bringing in Runes Reforged and stripping resistances so bad that they barely work anymore. On top of adding damage, champs just one shot way more than they used too and give you barely any time to react.
On the other hand- if you are staying in her range to Q, you deserve to die. No ifs ands or butts. Stay away, and abuse her pre-6. She can't do much to those who have ranged abilities on top of a shield.
Tahminatrix 1 votesOrb walk around diana (and kind of towards her) in order to dodge her q, most diana players will have trouble adjusting their skillshot in order to hit you even after one or two tries and you can sort of safely get into range to root and burst her.
JeaneGreene1 votesIsn’t Ryze the worst champion in the game?
UKP LK1 votesI have an idea https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYexL1JDUpc There ya go, if challenger ryze can beat a challenger diana
Then you can beat whatever diana rank same as yours.
You are complaining ryze is really weak, just like LL Stylish complain how weak is zed but hey at least he makes it work. So your choice, either you make ryze work by learning match up and improve or just give up.
Stop saying, ryze 2-3 item vs X ap champ 2-3 item ryze auto weaker.
I give u a clip go watch, next time just search youjtube, there will always something you can do, its just u dont/cant do doesnt mean there is nothing u can do. Even my suggestion is not bad, if you cant kill her, simply bait/wait her Q then just spam ur abilities and push wave then walk back to ur turret, just farm and wait for opportunity, I can tell your rank is not high by all your logic and its ok, dont tilt and improve man. if you find it too hard then just move on to other champ, I suggest u play malz ezpz, press W push wave back, press R win fight :D.
Remember if you cant figure out a match up, go youtube :D and watch, if a challenger can beat a challenger using that method, you can do the same because ur enemy is not challenger either, so u dont need to execute it flawlessly like the challenger but it should be good enough to win you the lane :D, but after that rotating etc its up to u :D !
NodirjonSattarov1 votesI began typing, but you're too delusional if you think that Ryze isn't weak especially if you're comparing my complaining to people complaining about Zed being weak. You're not worth my time.
UKP LK1 votesI began typing, but you're too delusional if you think that Ryze isn't weak especially if you're comparing my complaining to people complaining about Zed being weak. You're not worth my time.
then go play sth else and stop crying abt ryze being "weak". If hes that bad dont play him, and explain why a challenger ryze can use that method beating a diana but you cant? And diana not even a hot pick rn, like i said ur logic belong to gold at highest peak, so maybe stop complaining and get better or move on to easier champ that press 1 button to win (malz cough cough, lux cough cough, annie cough cough)