Please Don't Buff Luden's Echo

Lemons22··5 votes·775 views

Ludens is losing 20 AP but gaining 3% more movespeed...I honestly feel like this is a buff to the item and shouldn't be done. Even in its current state I hate Luden's Echo because AP champions do not need to be faster! Especially when SO MANY of them are so damn hard to catch as it is! Think of Katarina, Nidalee, Ekko and the like with this new Ludens...freaking annoying! OK!? I freaking hate trying to chase down those champions even when they don't have extra movespeed...and now you're giving them more?!

Ludens also shores up core weaknesses of mid champions that are designed around the idea that they are slow...champions like Ziggs used to have to rely on positioning and using their abilities to make up for their slow movement speed, now that can simply walk away from bad situations cause they're so fucking fast! A Ziggs (slowest base movespeed) with boots 2 and the new Ludens is faster than a freaking PANTHEON (who literally has the highest movement speed in the game) with boots 2...think about that. It's just dumb. Not only does it make it more possible to walk away from melees, but dodge skillshots is easier...just everything...movespeed is so powerful and Riot doesn't seem to notice this game is becoming too much about mobility and movespeed. They should be trimming mobility, not allowing more of it into the game.

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IllllllIIIIlllll1 votes

3% movespeed = about 12 movespeed = about 160 gold value 20 ap = 435 gold value

Strat3 votes

While I do agree that the 20 AP is a bigger loss, gold analysis is moronic and should be avoided.

Consider this: what's worth more in a fight, 500 gold of mana regen or 500 gold of AD?

Also consider champion differences. Is 500 gold of mana worth more on Lux or Vladimir ? How about on Lux or Ryze?

At the end of the day, however, Luden is valuable on burst champions and on burst champions AP is worth far more than MS is. So I agree it's a nerf, but not for the reasons you gave.

Paress1 votes

lol

I think you didn't understand that all AP items are getting changes, lot of them have increased AP, that means Luden's Echo is contested.

Luden's Echo stacks have been nerfed because it was a bit too much and because it was supposed to benefit for mobile champions and not too much for spamming ones.

With that 20 AP nerf, Luden's Echo is more restrictive against champions heavy AP or who need other core items. With that +3% MS buff, Luden's Echo allow champions to be more mobile and to benefit the passive.

To be clear, Luden's Echo goes in a core item for MS needy champions and less for heavy AP. And that's better. Imo.

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