How do you damage Mundo as an ap champion?

taleofsonata·Mar 26, 2016·8 votes·2,326 views

I Have tried my BEST with Vladimir, rushed Magic pen as much as I can but I seriously can't get him low. I'm like doing negative damage to him. 94 damage with Q?!?!?!!?

41 Comments

MokkunMar 26, 20166 votes

You kill his team before his team kills your team, and then your team together kills (or possibly ignores depending on how much damage he's doing atm) Mundo.

Mundo is the epitome of hyper tank. Late game, he's a bitch and a half to kill. Luckily, with that build, he actually doesn't do that much damage, especially if you have MR. And as Vlad, Abyssal is not a bad item.

BLYAT moon AkaliMar 26, 20165 votes

mages do not do damage to MR tanks because magic damage itemization against tanks is non-existent.

RalanrMar 26, 20162 votes

item 3135

YumaS2AstralMar 26, 20162 votes

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mages do not do damage to MR tanks because magic damage itemization against tanks is non-existent.

and Malzahar can do a lot of damage against tanks

SpoofghoulMar 26, 20162 votes

item 3020 item 3001 item 3151 item 3135 item 3116 item 3165

possibly get some more pen from runes you can get 20 if you go allout on the mpen

and then u can opt for more mpen in masteries 7%

Thats 42% mpen 70 flat mpen permaslow perma grievous wounds below 40% hp Massive % hp burn damage

should work vs tanks

Critmaster GarenMar 26, 20163 votes

youre not supposed to. however, you can help your team kite him. rilays is in your core build anyways. and its not like he has a lot of kill pressure on you either.

i dont see a reason why its supposed to be easy for you to kill him, when its just as impossible for him to kill you.

SasogwaMar 26, 20162 votes

Vladimir is not really a DPS mage, he won't do anything to a Mundo mid-lategame. He might kill him very early on but that's it. You need someone like Azir or Cassiopeia to really kill him as a mage.

YumaS2AstralMar 26, 20161 votes

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Vladimir is not really a DPS mage, he won't do anything to a Mundo mid-lategame. He might kill him very early on but that's it. You need someone like or to really kill him as a mage.

Fizz used to be able to kill a Mundo back when his W had Grievous Wounds. As long as Mundo didn't ulted, Fizz could kill him.

TAScientistMar 27, 20161 votes

Vlad absolutely is a DPS mage. The problem is that like Karthus, most of his DPS is AOE, which means he has trouble taking down a single beefy target (and also, he has lower DPS than many similar mages, but makes up for it with his huge sustain); hence the trouble with Mundo

It doesn't help that as a manaless caster, he has little use for morellonomicon, which means he can't inflict grievous wounds on Mundo.

Darth StepVaderMar 26, 20162 votes

With that build you cannot even scratch him tbh. In Fact, chances are he will regen up to full hp while you try to kite him:P. Thankfully, he will probably melt to your adc with those low amounts of armor.

IcyPepperMar 26, 20162 votes

You can't burst him down, you got to wear him down. DPS mages have the best time at that, so your best bet is to get your ADC or any sustained damage carry to take him out, unless you got specific anti-tank mages.

But if you're taking Vladmir top lane against Mundo, that's a handicap to your team. Stop focusing on laning so much if that happens, because you're better off going bot or mid lane for ganks (please take teleport if this is your plan!).

Anyway, here's a few items that will help as long as you understand it's not really your job to kill Mundo: item 3151 to poke him down, item 3116 to keep him slow, item 3165 (if you complain about the mana regen, it's your own fault for picking Vlad :P ), and obviously item 3135 for any MR he builds. You'll tickle him a bit more like that, making it easier for your sustained carries to shred him. Morello's passive will ensure his ult won't be an absolute pain in the ass if your team gets him low enough.

QuephaMar 26, 20161 votes

By magic pen do you mean void staff?

Espy PsycheMar 26, 20161 votes

You'll need this build to get through a Mundo.

item 3020 item 3151 item 3116 item 3135

The Liandry/Rylai combo is especially effective on him, since you'll burn him for a percent of his HP. You need the sorc shoes, void staff and magic pen from the Liandry as well. The other two items can be effectively whatever, but I'd suggest item 3001 item 3089 for another magic pen source (as well as MR to negate some of his damage) and lots of AP to back that magic pen up.

taleofsonataMar 26, 20161 votes

I DID! but I still did 94 DAMAGE on him with this build. Pure Pen runes, item 3151 item 3001 item 3135 item 3020 item 3089 item 3116 . I was running around him Kiting him and he still won't go down as much.

ValexforMar 26, 20161 votes

The problem here is: You didn't have a way to stop him from healing and you were Vladimir. Mundo's strenght is that he can laugh to every DoT damage thanks to his passive also thanks to his tanky nature he's more than capable to survive multiple bursts and regenerate back with his ult + passive. As Vladimir you don't really have the damage to go through Mundo unless you manage to proc GW on him and even then he can still heal a lot with his ult late game meaning that you won't kill him withouth your ult (and even with it it would be quite hard). Just accept it: Vlad is not meant to win over Mundo. If you were someone like Brand, Morgana, Malzahar, Swain, Rumble you could just laugh at him, but Vlad can't.

MWR WarriorMar 26, 20161 votes

you dont item 3070 magic pen item 3135 item 3151 item 3001 and you are vlad, he isnt the biggest ap dps he is more on sustain than dps

AttackOnTeemosMar 26, 20161 votes

Turn his own strength into his weakness. http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2136241481/34553032?tab=overview

Take away Mundo's Heal he cant do anything to you.

HethaleanMar 26, 20161 votes

I think that Mundo will be particularly toublesome for an AP Champion. My only recommendation is a source of heal reduction like Morellos (maybe ignite which means you have to chose between TP/Ignite/Flash as a top laner). It will still be a hard go as you have to get them to 40% hp... which is hard on a Mundo. GL!

MunchCrunchLunchMar 26, 20161 votes

you get morrelonomicon. probably spelled it wrong. item 3165 . but u probably wont do much unless your a dps mage. teemo azir cass. don't even try to kill him if your not. even if u are don't try unless its a team fight or someone is helping u. but morellos help u because they reducse his healing by 40%

ValyrianBladeMar 26, 20161 votes

Just get morello and let your AD teammates kill him if he's stacking that much MR.

I mean, 2 pure MR items, MR boots, a hybrid armor/MR item, and a pure health item? His armor is pretty low with that build. Better you apply the grievous wounds and your AD allies have an extra item slot to prioritize more AD/AS.

taleofsonataMar 26, 20162 votes

The problem with that is that Mundo does insane amount of damage and no1 wants to get close to him. ADC Dies to this Fizz and Jarvan.. So I always have non existant ADC cuz of the AD assassin and Fizz. Not only that their ADC could be Lucian or Graves and Corki that hides behind Mundo.

YumaS2AstralMar 26, 20161 votes

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The problem with that is that Mundo does insane amount of damage and no1 wants to get close to him. ADC Dies to this Fizz and Jarvan.. So I always have non existant ADC cuz of the AD assassin and Fizz. Not only that their ADC could be Lucian or Graves and Corki that hides behind Mundo.

Mundo's damage is not incredibly high, the reason why he can kill everyone is because he is a pretty good duelist thanks to his health regeneration and his Q.

ValyrianBladeMar 27, 20161 votes

Your ADC gets dove and dies Their ADC gets protected by their front line

Sounds like the enemy team won the fight, without Mundo's health regen or damage even playing a role.

SeenanMar 26, 20161 votes

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Just get morello and let your AD teammates kill him if he's stacking that much MR.

I mean, 2 pure MR items, MR boots, a hybrid armor/MR item, and a pure health item? His armor is pretty low with that build. Better you apply the grievous wounds and your AD allies have an extra item slot to prioritize more AD/AS.

Lol morello assuming you can get him below 40%.

ValyrianBladeMar 27, 20161 votes

well presumably Mundo wouldn't pop his ultimate at like 80%+ health because it would be a waste - you'd just ignore him while it's running and attack him afterwards (and his ult costs current % HP, so it's more optimal to use it later).

Or are Mundos at your elo smart enough to notice a Morello and proc their ult early?

RalanrMar 26, 20161 votes

item 3165 item 3135 and item 3020 .

RoodToobMar 26, 20161 votes

Honestly, you aren't supposed to. He loves stacking MR, its mundos dream build, though i guess item 3135 item 3151 item 3020 item 3165 item 3089 are your best bets

Meep ManMar 26, 20161 votes

You really can't just because of how he is. Anyone thats limited by cool downs really cant win against Mundo since he will just regenerate the damage taken.

RandomoniumMar 26, 20161 votes

Best bet is probably go for item 3116 item 3151 and try to burn him down while kiting.

jdizzle367Mar 26, 20161 votes

Generally to kill mundo I recommend using basic attacks and abilities on him. I find that using basic attacks and abilities is more efficient than waiting for him to die to minions, monsters and turrets.

charcharmunroMar 26, 20161 votes

item 3151 + item 3116 goes a long way towards burning him down. item 3165 is nice, too, even if it has some wasted stats on Vlad.

AlwaysByMySideMar 26, 20161 votes

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I Have tried my BEST with Vladimir, rushed Magic pen as much as I can but I seriously can't get him low. I'm like doing negative damage to him. 94 damage with Q?!?!?!!?

Don't pick Vladimir into Mundo if you want to ever kill him. The best you can do is try to help kite him in team fights. In a 1v1 he is going to rip your head off pretty much regardless of what you build.

AbyssphereMar 27, 20161 votes

You don't, because 70 MR on Visage and Banshee's is somehow balanced.

hOrnnMar 27, 20161 votes

Well i go 20 flat magic pen on say lissandra, i rush roa and hyper farm, i thrn get sorcs, guise and abysall and insta gib with great roams because i max e second, my starting item is mana crystal...late gamr my q deals around 700 alone on a 2.55 sec cd and i blowup carries or delete assains like zed or rengar...vs what ur saying i reccomend a tank and mr shred build like ria,sorcs,rylias,lindrys,void then pick between dcap,hourglass,echos or abyssall....theres also morellocom and ignite among other anti heal items..

MunchCrunchLunchMar 29, 20161 votes

thats actually not the greatest mundo build subsitute zz rot with thornmail and sunfire instead of randuins and you got a mundo that really hurts. and much harder to kill as well.

Pandemic PunchMar 29, 20161 votes

As someone who has played a lot of Mundo over the years, once Mundo gets itemized there is nothing a Vlad can do to kill him. You will need a sustain damage dealer to take him out. You can buy a item 3165 just for Mundo but as you already know, you will nerf yourself with that item and it will only work on Mundo players who wait too late to use their ultimate.

You will need help from your team or do whatever you can to avoid that matchup.

ShahamutMar 29, 20161 votes

Play Kennen instead of Vladimir

Run full magic pen runes (gets you 20 flat pen) Run Thunderlords (even more flat pen) Get item 3020 and item 3151 (30 more flat pen)

You now have 50+ flat magic penetration. Stay ranged, poke with empowered autos, Q, and W for stuns. All from the safety of range.

Old Man TeetoMar 29, 20161 votes

Vlad with a proper build can just Q spam Mundo and pretty much heal off of him late game.

However, Mundo can just choose to leave eventually and not die.

item 3152 item 3065 item 3089 item 3158 item 3157 item 3135

Maybe throw in Rylai's or Abyssal depending on other match ups. But this makes him pretty much ignore any tank damage.

BellowsMar 29, 20161 votes

Well now you can poke-em down as Sol, get liandry's, and void staff, always get rylais for kiting.

BOOM kite and diminish mundo all day.

AurelionSol Runeterra? Am I Right?

DeloricVIMar 29, 20161 votes

Mundo is hard to kill for a few main reasons.

His heals. With Windspeaker's Blessing, he can heal himself a lot more than you might think. You may see him take Warlord's Bloodlust instead, but Windspeaker's is still more common in my experience. This makes Morellonomicon and Ignite your best friends in this matchup.
His build. Against Vlad, Teemo, Ryze, or anyone else building AP up in the top lane, he's going to be a huge bitch because once he finishes his Spirit Visage, he's going to likely build a shit-ton of health, made 10x as effective because he built MR first. This is where you need to make a choice based on how aggressive Mundo is playing. If Mundo is going super HAM on you and dealing tons of damage, you need to put him down, and you need to get your stage two boots and Void staff. As long as you're not feeding him, Zhonia's can wait. Especially with Vlad. Just use your flash wisely and use your pool only to disengage. If he doesn't really deal much damage at all and is really passive, don't build to kill him. This is especially true if he still doesn't do much damage in teamfights. Yes, Mundo going full tank his really hard to kill. However, if you have 4+ people dealing a mix of AP and AD, he's going to die without his team. Isolate him if he's splitpushing and annihilate him with 3-4 other members of your team; just don't 1v1 him, don't focus him from the start, and kill the damage dealers if this is the case.

Unfortunately, AP itemization sucks right now. It used to be OK that mages were weak to tanks; it seemed to be a natural counter. Most mages have high burst, tanks have lots of health to counter this kind of damage. But now that all AD champions outdo them, they really end up being the "meh" class in the game when matched up against anything but another mage. Hopefully we'll get something useful; I've seen a few red posts that say we don't have anything new for the mage update, but some items are probably going to be re-tuned, and they mentioned a lot about increasing utility for some items, namely with either mana regen or cooldown reduction. However, there have also been some red posts talking about giving mages a whole new item after the main update, so we can hope to get either a neat little tank buster item or a new armor item with something unique.