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@Riot Meddler/Reav3s - Where is Mage Itemization/Rune Update Promises?

Winterkill··21 votes·11,395 views

Mage itemization lacks a lot of things that different types of champions do. We have battle-mages, artillery mages, enchant mages, on-hit mages, mage assassins and so many more different classes of mages. The fact that mage itemization is so bland, one dimensional and not very specific towards one or more classes of champions . . . . makes many of us wonder why is nothing actually being done? The mage itemization updates, a season or two ago, didn't address the fact that mage itemization is severely lacking when compared to other roles and classes of champion. The problems are very evident when we look at a champion like Diana who is supposed to be this on-hit mage-assassin thing. How can a champion like Diana ever thrive in a environment where there is hardly any itemization that she can use? The problem isn't the champion but the fact that Developers are extremely lazy and refuse to address the problems. Mage champions like Diana and so many others, need itemization they can use. If Developers want to create a type of champion like Diana then they need to create better itemization for champions like her. I mean, AD assassins get it and they can even use other roles itemization.

Let's also talk about the fact that runes for the Sorcery tree almost all revolve around increasing movement speed and it's very lackluster. Developers were told we wanted more original concepts for the Sorcery tree and they didn't do it. When parts of the tree revolve around doing the same exact thing, why play in that tree compared to the other three that offer more versatility and fun?

The game was promised a better mage itemization and runes update. The game has yet to receive it. Developers promised work on mage itemization and runes to make it better and more unique. The problem is not champions like Diana but the fact that there's hardly any itemization she can use.

68 Comments

Ahri Baka14 votes

I doubt we will get

The Hashinshin circlejerk about mages being op became popular and a huge number of boards users believe mages need nerfs

HP Crookshanks9 votes

Because majority of boards users/players are AD mains Jax Kaisa Lucian Riven Vayne Yasuo Zed

thefatlazycat12 votes

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Because majority of boards users/players are AD mains Jax Kaisa Lucian Riven Vayne Yasuo Zed

honestly anyone who mains those champs can't even be called a fan of the game, they're more the problem than anything

Sir Saltarin6 votes

r/gatekeeping

Even4 votes

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honestly anyone who mains those champs can't even be called a fan of the game, they're more the problem than anything

gatekeeping??

AirKingNeo2 votes

Majority of the boards is mage mains, otherwise posts like this one would be downvoted.

HP Crookshanks6 votes

The champion statistics say the opposite

AirKingNeo1 votes

I didn't know the boards had an algorithm that tracked the mains of its activate users.

Oh, they don't.

Winterkill2 votes

Nope. Another Ryze update is in the works in the meantime.

YaraUwU3 votes

Ok 1 when has riot ever cared what the boards think about gameplay?

And 2 mage itemization sucks.... alot.

AirKingNeo3 votes

mage itemization sucks so fucking much they have the best 1300 gold item in the game

HP Crookshanks5 votes

but mages don't build item 3155

AirKingNeo1 votes

That item gives damage, MR, and a magic shield.

Lost Chapter gives damage, mana, CDR, and mana regen.

Ahri Baka1 votes

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Ok 1 when has riot ever cared what the boards think about gameplay?

And 2 mage itemization sucks.... alot.

They did care

they even nerfed the cost of item 3916 to 1600 The item itself now isn't worth its 1600 gold at all lol

AirKingNeo3 votes

"hashinshin circlejerk" Dude literally looking at statistics, mages are performing the best.

Ahri Baka2 votes

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"hashinshin circlejerk" Dude literally looking at statistics, mages are performing the best.

Here is the difference between you and Hashinshin

Hashinshin doesn't believe mages are OP , he believes their items are You and the rest who decided to follow him ended up losing the way and started thinking that mages themselves are the op ones

Mannny2 votes

Mage itemization is one of the strongest in the game though. They have tons of options to go to compared to other classes and roles, if they do want to change some items they need to balance it by nerfing things like item 3285 and item 3157 to make it more dynamic

AirKingNeo1 votes

So.... exactly what I've been saying? Their items being overpowered and that's proven by the performance statistics of the champions?

You really shouldn't be so quick to assume what I think.

A Chaotic Mind2 votes

i play vlad and mages have busted af items. reminder that item 3152 gives hp ap cdr mobility and extra burst for 2500 gold

Ahri Baka1 votes

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i play vlad and mages have busted af items. reminder that item 3152 gives hp ap cdr mobility and extra burst for 2500 gold

Vlad is OP in general that item itself is balanced , but it is surely OP on something like Vlad or Sylas with their kits

That's the reason why we won't get items rework , because I'm pretty sure every single item will get abused by a champion or two , which created this laziness

A Chaotic Mind2 votes

no it's not, it's 94% gold efficent before factoring in the extra mobility and extra spell worth of damage it gives you on top of giving you a really good spike at 2500 gold (1k earlier than trinity) sylas vlad kennen are all top tier and all rush this item. why do you think vlad is so op? maybe because he can reach 40% cdr after 3.4k gold+runes while getting an engage and extra aoe burst for his ult?

Ahri Baka2 votes

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no it's not, it's 94% gold efficent before factoring in the extra mobility and extra spell worth of damage it gives you on top of giving you a really good spike at 2500 gold (1k earlier than trinity) sylas vlad kennen are all top tier and all rush this item. why do you think vlad is so op? maybe because he can reach 40% cdr after 3.4k gold+runes while getting an engage and extra aoe burst for his ult?

Probably , but like I said , because of the champions thenselves

What if Lux tries to buy it? or Ahri ? or Cass ? it's horrible on them , or at least to rush

Which is why I said , Riot is lazy to bring more ap item diversity because each item will end up being abused

Not gonna forget something like Veiger might end up really op if he gets some kind of item that suits him

if you really care for cost efficient items We have many items in mid lane that are too good for how much they cost

item 3147 ?? This item is honestly nearly 5000 Gold efficient with how much it gives item 3155 ? this item is straight busted in early lol item 3111 No doubts , the best boots in the game that you can shit on any mage with them and stuff like that

The item you are calling op item 3152 isn't even a mage item Let's assume it is that op Who can play it ? Sylas ? Kennen ?Vladimir ??? Non of them are actual mages therefore calling mages items as op isn't the right thing to do

A Chaotic Mind2 votes

What if Lux tries to buy it? or Ahri ? or Cass ? it's horrible on them , or at least to rush

they actually get to buy the most broken mage items instead item 3285 hexdrinker is a bad armguard tabi are much better than mercs how are they not mages? because they do not fit your argument?

Ahri Baka3 votes

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they actually get to buy the most broken mage items instead item 3285 hexdrinker is a bad armguard tabi are much better than mercs how are they not mages? because they do not fit your argument?

Your argument started with item 3152 No , they are not actual mages they don't go the same build path as mages

Kennen is actually a Marksman in the wiki Tho I count him as an ap assassin However , does he build mana ? no he doesn't and he doesn't have the same boring build path like every mage

Vladimir does this guy build mana? no , he power spikes without it , he has self sustain If he would be counted as a mage then he is just op , but he doesn't build mana so I can't really call him a mage

Sylas Melee overloaded champion and still new , what are you expecting ? He is supposed to be an AP bruiser or something tho , the site show that he is a mage ( I believe it's a lore thing ) but he doesn't follow the same build path as other mages

Yea Lux and Ahri surely can build item 3285 surely , the most broken item that is easily negated by item 3111 item 3155 and make them squishy so they get shit on if they don't rush item 3157 against ad champions

A Chaotic Mind2 votes

Your argument started with item 3152
No , they are not actual mages they don't go the same build path as mages

k youre actually dumb and delusional. explain how getting cdr infinite mana burst waveclear in 1 item is not good all meta mage items are broken. luden/proto are the 2 best 1 item spike (other than tforce and they cheaper). zhonya is the best defensive item in the game. dcap is the best lategame item. void negate any chance of building defence

Ahri Baka2 votes

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No , they are not actual mages they don't go the same build path as mages

k youre actually dumb and delusional. explain how getting cdr infinite mana burst waveclear in 1 item is not good all meta mage items are broken. luden/proto are the 2 best 1 item spike (other than tforce and they cheaper). zhonya is the best defensive item in the game. dcap is the best lategame item. void negate any chance of building defence

Okay thanks :/ that was nice from you

Can you mention where I said Ludens is not a good item? Quote me please , I really wanna know I only said other rushes are much better no the mana is not infinite , the mana feature from item 3802 chapter gets deleted when you upgrade it to item 3285

Ludens is a good item , but it seems you have no idea what this whole thread is about It's about updating this same build path for every single damn mage to rush Ludens , and if you don't , you get shit on , you also get shit on if you do Got it?

Every class got a good rush that makes them power spike , except adc , they usually need 1 or 2 completed items

Zhonia is surely the best defensive item thanks to its active , but rushing it IS bad Void Staff need tons of ap so it can feel viable , buying it before item 3089 isn't really worth And it only feels good on DPS mages like Cass or Ryze item 3089 is Surely an amazing item , but you said it yourself " late game " Where is late game in league of legends ?

Your Otter11 votes

A wild, immobile and extremely squishy Lux walks into the midlane.

Zed : *one shots Lux with just R + Q and item 3147 *

Boards: ....

Lux : manages to kill Zed in the end

Boards: Mages are so OP, honestly. Good job Riot, my precious one-shotting Zed got destroyed by a MAGE. I'm quitting this garbage game!!!!11!!11

Emo Twink5 votes

I wish mage dmg didnt feel locked behind mpen for burst mages, AD Assassins dont have to build lethality boots and can get mercs, but going ninja tabi jst. cuts a decent chunk of dmg for one.

Sebastit7d4 votes

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A wild, immobile and extremely squishy Lux walks into the midlane.

Zed : *one shots Lux with just R + Q and item 3147 *

Zed : *one shots Lux with just R + item 3147 AA then throws Q as a formality since not even them expect their own damage * FTFY

AirKingNeo4 votes

except all Zed can do is kill a single target

Lux gets to play back and spam spells for poke.

Craft Zeppelin8 votes

item 3146 item 3907 item 3135 item 3027 These items needs overhauls. Especially gunblade. Only two champions buy this.

Emo Twink3 votes

item 3111 item 3155 item 3020 item 3157 item 3916 These need changes too, MR will shove a mage so far behind, especially those who aren't dot sorta ones. Merc treads also feels way too strong for mages with one CC to protect themselves, and that + hexdrinker means its difficult to trade back. Seekers feels hard to go early due to mana constraints (unlike ADs going hexdrinker), and feels onesided to go against a merc/hexdrinker combo. Cant really opt to ninja tabis because of how forced mages are to go mpen.

Mages wont really get out of support if most of their damage and CC can be shoved aside with such a unfun combo, and cant protect themselves well enough with mana and damage constraints going tabis and seekers (going support is another complaint ppl have about mages).

Craft Zeppelin3 votes

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item 3111 item 3155 item 3020 item 3157 item 3916 These need changes too, MR will shove a mage so far behind, especially those who aren't dot sorta ones. Merc treads also feels way too strong for mages with one CC to protect themselves, and that + hexdrinker means its difficult to trade back. Seekers feels hard to go early due to mana constraints (unlike ADs going hexdrinker), and feels onesided to go against a merc/hexdrinker combo. Cant really opt to ninja tabis because of how forced mages are to go mpen.

Mages wont really get out of support if most of their damage and CC can be shoved aside with such a unfun combo, and cant protect themselves well enough with mana and damage constraints going tabis and seekers (going support is another complaint ppl have about mages).

I personally want NLR items back as secondary buy choices as they are supposed to be. Currently people are only buying rabadons and not buying spellbinder at all. How about we change it like this.

2nd item cores. NLR path: item 3285 : AOE item 3128 : Anti tank. item 3116 : Control item 3157 : Anti diving item 3907 : Speed

Hextech: item 3146 : Remove AD and turn active into straight long range skillshot. item 3152 : Good as it is now. item 3030 : Change the active so it does not always shoot from a certain side.

Handy Sandy 5 votes

and feels onesided to go against a merc/hexdrinker combo

ya but are we really gonna pretend like Zed item 3155 item 3111 isn't a free lane

ChaddyFantome3 votes

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ya but are we really gonna pretend like Zed item 3155 item 3111 isn't a free lane

It isnt,but even then that has little to do with the items and everything to do with Zed being Zed, lol.

Anu3isII2 votes

What is the issue with item 3135 ?

Irelia Bot2 votes

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What is the issue with item 3135 ?

Subjective shape... 40% MR pen is subjectively a bit too strong.

Anu3isII1 votes

I mean, I get that is much higher than it used to be, but now it is only good vs people who actually build MR. Most mages would build item 3020 item 3916 first (and I think these items are a bit over the top) over item 3135.

Craft Zeppelin1 votes

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What is the issue with item 3135 ?

It is unconditionally strong.

Anu3isII1 votes

Unless your opponents build MR, building item 3020 item 3916 is strictly better. And those two are pretty much the reason why Mages deal "true" damage.

Saianna4 votes

Be careful what you wish for. Last Mage itemization update ended up being in fact support update with heavy mage itemization nerfing and reworking to fit supports.

5050BS3 votes

Remember they hate Mages

URF ARAM AGOGO2 votes

Blast cones are way more important.

ShadzMadz2 votes

last time they worked on ap items they "wanted to get this out as soon as possible" instead of taking time and effort on it, I'd really like well thought out items for us already.

taleofsonata2 votes

You forgot to mention burst mage and control mages. AP bruisers too.

SweedishGunner2 votes

What would be interesting for AP is splitting the items into AP assassin and AP mage items, kinda like how your AD assassins build Lethality AD items and your ADC's build crit.

ChaddyFantome1 votes

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What would be interesting for AP is splitting the items into AP assassin and AP mage items, kinda like how your AD assassins build Lethality AD items and your ADC's build crit.

Because that sure as hell didnt cause massive problems, amirite? [slayer-jinx-wink]

Anu3isII1 votes

That isn't going to work unless they further differentiate their scalings/bases. Adding AP Assassin items would lead to burst Mages like Annie going full AP Assassin with no real trade-off.

On My Kill List2 votes

mages do not need another update. ap bruisers on the other hand were ignored for far too long. divers also need an item update. you know there are other classes more in need of love then mages. mages next to adcs get too much attention compared to the other classes.

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