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Karma is Horrendous to Play Now

Winterkill··39 votes·12,540 views

Let's watch that play-rate and win-rate plummet even more now. A champion sitting at a sub-par 40 something win-rate for years now is not getting any compensation or work done on her. I understand she is getting something in 4-6 patch cycles. Unfortunately something should have been done this patch and I have yet to see anything on the PBE right now. The Karma mains are going to be waiting 2 and a half months now for a hypothetical rework that probably isn't going to even happen. Great job, Riot. 5 years, 6 months and still nothing. WAITING.

If you guys were going to nerf the very thing that has made Karma a presence in the game, you should have had something planned for her instead of some excuse that you want to wait and see how she fares with the shield changes. YOU KNEW THE ONLY THING MAKING HER RELEVANT WAS HER SHIELDS. I cannot fathom why nothing was done on her to prepare for this? You refused to work on her the past 5 years and you have done counter productive work with her shields . . . . so you know the way you designed her to be is about her shields. This is a reflection of YOUR work ethic on Karma for the past 5 years . . . and you can do nothing for her so that Karma mains don't feel even more ignored and marginalized than they do now?

Wow. Riot hates Karma. First you remove her fans, dress, lore, identity, title, shield bomb, and much more. You replace it with one of the worst VGU/reworks in LoL history . . . second to Morde. The VGU is a mess all the way to a confusing kit with elements of different playstyles to half completed art assets you guys are trying to play off as if it is the best work you have ever done. News flash, you accomplished NOTHING in the past 5 years and now 8 months it is going to be.

44 Comments

Kurt Hyzan19 votes

Lulu Janna were the biggest issues because the shits took no skill top play, were ininteractive and anti-fun. I don't know why they also touched Karma (which has a really dynamic kit and allows counterplay) and Orianna

IxtaliKing10 votes

Janna actually has a lot of depth and mastery to her kit that Karma and Lulu don't, to be honest. Those Enchanter nerfs did kick Karma and Orianna while they were down though, Karma in particular.

Kurt Hyzan12 votes

Dude cmon. Each spell of their kit literally was a "oh shit oh shit" button.

IxtaliKing6 votes

Who, Janna?

Kurt Hyzan7 votes

Both Lulu and Janna, their defensive tools were just too easy to use, too rewarding, with little to no counterplay

IxtaliKing4 votes

So was Karma's before she was nerfed to the ground lol. Lulu and Janna just have less counterplay.

Kurt Hyzan6 votes

Karma has to put herself at risk with her W. Karma has to hit skillshots in order to poke. Karma's shield gives a brief movement speed buff, in counterpart of it being pretty weak. Karma's R need to choose wisely which skill to empower (no, Q isn't the only option).

IxtaliKing3 votes

Janna, Karma and Lulu all have 1 skill shot, the rest of their abilities are point and click (except Janna R).

I main Karma so I'm very much aware of her abilities and how/when to use them effectively, what I don't get is where you're going with the kit explanation?

Kurt Hyzan1 votes

Me neither, son, me neither...

OverpoweredSoap5 votes

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Karma has to put herself at risk with her W. Karma has to hit skillshots in order to poke. Karma's shield gives a brief movement speed buff, in counterpart of it being pretty weak. Karma's R need to choose wisely which skill to empower (no, Q isn't the only option).

Mantra Q isn't the only option because its Mantra E past early game like 95% of the time.

And since E shield duration has been nerfed... There's probably very little reason to pick Karma now.

She has better Mantra diversity in the mid lane role though, yes. Support Mantra Diversity is... bad.

CaptainAntiHeroz3 votes

{quoted}

Janna actually has a lot of depth and mastery to her kit that Karma and Lulu don't, to be honest. Those Enchanter nerfs did kick Karma and Orianna while they were down though, Karma in particular.

As a Lulu main, Lulu takes skill, you try polymorphing and ulting spellshielded noc before he kills you, you try aiming pix, while your confused adc struggles to overcome the tiny extra damage from pix to not miss cs, while poking the enemy AND not killing the carrys cs

But yeah Janna is basically a STOP THIS RIGHT NOW support

IxtaliKing2 votes

I agree, my point wasn't that Lulu or even Karma don't take skill; I was making a point about depth and mastery. Janna has more plays she can pull off with her kit than Karma for sure, as does Lulu.

Janna's kit is just too effective at what it does at a fundamental level, without requiring much effort.

The Yetii Rider1 votes

Because the issue isn't Janna, Lulu, Orianna or Karna. It's gifted shields in general. If you need the duration on Janna and Lulu, shield players switch to Orianna or Karma.

y0r1ck18 votes

They don't hate her, they just don't care.

Nea1048 votes

She was already weak before. They NERFED her shield in such a mindless way.

They are not even trying to balance anything in this game anymore, I fear :D

Regina George4 votes

Completely 100% agree. It's already hard then people flame you for picking Karma, lol. Her "rework" is literally the worst they have ever done. They deleted her entire identity.

Solidair34 votes

Listen, you can bitch about her lore or looks or whatever, I literally don't care (but I don't hate them) but the shit about her kit being confusing has GOT to stop. You use W and E to keep up with someone and use R+Q for a guaranteed hit. You use. R+W to gain a burst of health and then Q and E to run away. It all works really well together. Sure, they took shield bomb which sucks, but that was literally the only thing that COULD have survived from her old kit. The rest of it was fucking awful, and I'm tired of people saying it was great because it was not. THAT shit was bad.

Could the rework have been better with even better skills? Sure. But what we got was not awful. Hopefully some work in the near future will be prioritized and not dropped off the face of the earth like the new bruiser items and she can finally get the attention she needs.

ƒrostγ3 votes

Lissandra Same as her. Meddler makes promises every now and then, but that's it.

jocomotion3 votes

I agree Karma’s in probably the worst state she’s been in post rework, and I also agree that Riot ignored her for too long, however they have officially come out in saying she needs more work and that they’re finally taking a look at her in the next few patches. So rather than complain about them kicking a dead horse, why not instead focus on some gameplay aspects of Karma currently that are either frustrating to play against for enemies, or frustrating to use for Karma. It’d do more good now to talk about gameplay rather than complain.

rtbf2234347213 votes

But this Yasuo was compensated on the spot.

Let that sink in.

Masala Chai1 votes

Hi, Karma main here. Yasuo when 8.11 hit live was unbelievably terrible, and the buffs were fully justifiable because unlike Karma, A. Yasuo is not problematic in pro play, and B. Yasuo's problems that caused his weaknesses were incredibly straight forward, since his issue was damage scaling due to IE being reworked. I would like compen buffs to tide us over, but that doesn't seem too likely at this point.

PopcornBunni2 votes

+Have the speed boost on W last the whole length of the shield +Increase Q projectile width and AoE size

She probably needs more than that, but these would be great boons for such a weak champion without upping damage numbers or lowering cooldowns which seem to be Riot's favorite balancing moves.

Bisaknosp2 votes

better hotfix yasuo

Deathfall2 votes

All these new players that keep saying she is a support, she was never a support to begin with. Riot CHANGED her into a support and stripped everything away. Before her relaunch Karma was played more as a mid and top laner and Riot even acknowledged that. Instead of preserving that they just took her into an entirely different direction and made her into a support. Sure, she does damage. Unfortunately she gets outclassed in every way by other mid laners because all of her damage is blocked by minions, the power is funneled into early game, and the second tick of damage is not very reliable and impactful as it good be.

Moonstride1 votes

ask your self this...... Aatrox do you really want a rework...... [zombie-brand-clap]

remakoro9 votes

I actually would like to see how riot will turn karma into riven. That might be hard even for them.

OverpoweredSoap7 votes

{quoted}

I actually would like to see how riot will turn karma into riven. That might be hard even for them.

Karma's new passive:

Name changed from_ Gathering Fire_ to Gathering Salt

Each time Karma casts an ability she may dash in any direction she chooses.

IxtaliKing1 votes

Lmao xD

OverpoweredSoap6 votes

{quoted}

ask your self this...... Aatrox do you really want a rework...... [zombie-brand-clap]

Sorry Brah, the Karma rework invented the sub-par disappointing rework.

Azadethe2 votes

You do realize his new kit is far more scary than the old, and his Kit ALSO destroys heals/Shields. (Second top champ that does the shield thing after Irelia).

In other words, in tandem with releasing champs that destroy shields..... they are nerfing those same exact shields.

Weiss Guertena2 votes

They can't possibly fuck it up worse than her previous rework, so I'll be taking that chance.

ΦmalphintoΦ1 votes

we just won a game as 4v5 when karma did very good job she is in good status i think better to play her midlane than botlane.

SammyDayspring1 votes

Huh? Karma wasn't only about shields. She has tremendous early poke, a team shield that speeds everyone up and a root. I agree that Riot went crazy with the shield nerfs, but I expect them to now. They have a history of wrecking things. I don't think that makes Karma completely useless.

Azadethe1 votes

Her poke is one time, doesn't kill, and easy to heal out of if she can't survive her own W.

Sexy Jack Rabbit1 votes

This implies she was alright to play before.

I adore Karma, but she's been in a bad spot since they nerfed her like over a season ago.

Total Eclipse1 votes

I seriously do NOT understand what this post is even about. Youre mad because.. she hasnt been reworked? Karma has had her time to shine. She was completely broken at the end of season 6 and uuuuhhhhhhhhh newsflash that wasnt 6 years ago dude what the fuck x'D. There are a small handful of champs that havent been touched since early seasons in terms of their kits but Karma's is fine. Her kit does NOT have random scatterbrained elements, she's a fucking enchanter. She is designed to do a little bit of everything. And until late in season 7 she was borderline broken. Now that she's balanced you're gonna start raging and pointing fingers at Riot? Because you feel unfulfilled? Pick a new champ if you cant find success on her anymore. Real talk.

SnugglePuggle941 votes

Sorry but you're wrong. If you were here before season 6, you would know how Karma has been faring, and she was NOT broken at any of those times you said. The OP is right. I've seen what they've done to her, and she's been nerfed to the ground and left there by Riot and only given half ass attempts every so often to fix, but they never hit the mark.

IxtaliKing1 votes

{quoted}

Her kit does NOT have random scatterbrained elements, she's a fucking enchanter.

She has a SELF-heal which scales primarily with missing-HP like a tank... she's a fucking enchanter...

Is that not random?

The Yetii Rider1 votes

The duration change isn't a nerf in most situations. You can burn through a shield in 2.5 seconds pretty easily.

The change means that Karma players need to be smarter about how they Inspire/Defiance. They need to maximize the value by using shield just before a fight instead of as a mini Reverie that also gives a shield when you get there.

Jerry SeinfeId1 votes

Let's watch that play-rate and win-rate plummet even more now.

good fuck karma.

You replace it with one of the worst VGU/reworks in LoL history . . . second to Morde.

hahaha, Shen

DontTouchMyBall1 votes

I like to play Karma as much as I like to play every other support but man, if I were a Karma main, this treatment would freaking blow my brains out! Kalista and Liss too.

Ulquiorra01231 votes

Good, I don't want that massive amount of aoe damage combined with massive utility to be good. Mantra Q is the dumbest support ability in the game, and it is on an incredibly safe champion. Similar to Ori, but fundamentally worse. Keep her where she is, give her a VGU update, but no buffs pls.

Pika Fox1 votes

While i agree her shield (and even shields in general) shouldnt have been nerfed in this way, im still downvoting because of the nature of the post being another random salt post and not something constructive.

5050BS1 votes

She just needs to be reworked. Its stupid that all her damage is placed in Q

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