Focus on Mini-VGU & Not on New Champions

Winterkill·Apr 24, 2019·80 votes·18,772 views

There are 143 champions in the game right now and it will be 144 by the end of next month. Half of the current champion pool have outdated models and art, cannot compete in terms of unique gameplay and gameplay identities over new champions, and are being blatantly ignored for new champions. The more champions these Developers add into the game, means more work that is being purposely diverted from problematic champions players already do not like.

All champions Riot Game Developers have said the past 2 years that need a VGU.

Champions that received work done on them that didn't hit the mark and have received comments from Developers that they need further work done on a thematic, gameplay identity, kit and art level.

Champions that really only need a fresh coat of paint and modernization. Xin on here because they said they wanted to put him on a horse and he could use a visual update.

Champions with recently released color stories, good lore, and in a trailer that they know needs very minor work done on them:

I mean what's the problem here? Why is anyone in this company even saying things like releasing more new champions over an actual work ethic that gives results? It's extremely disheartening to here a Riot Game employee tell the community that they regard new champions better than their existing champion pool that help put the game on the map. I mean for years this company and Developers have been saying every champion needs a VGU or mini-VGU. Why aren't Developers doing more Ezreal/Morgana sized updates over the reworks/VGU? A lot of these champions need a mini-VGU but all that time is being put on new champions. More new champions means less skins for existing champions, less conversations about existing champions, less work being done on existing champions, and so much more. Does this community care anymore? In the eyes of so many . . . this company and Developers can say and do no wrong.

Not every champion needs an Aatrox level rework/VGU when the problem could have been simply addressed by giving him an updated model, expanding his voice-lines, and working on MINOR things wrong with his kit. Stop with the new champions and the character re-imagining VGU that no one likes, when you have a current champion pool that needs a modernization with the new lore, updated models and art, and maybe minor work done on the kit. All of the described work I mentioned in this paragraph is a mini-VGU.

69 Comments

The EcdysiastApr 24, 201912 votes

That's probably what they're going to be doing. The roadmap did say they were going to bring the focus back to new champions, but that means we'll probably see a lot of VU's without (or with very few) gameplay changes, like Morgana.

WinterkillApr 24, 201913 votes

It's not going to happen at the cadence it needs to. 5-6 new champions means they are only going to do 3 VGU on existing champions after this year. The final VGU for this entire year will only be Morde and Pantheon. In 2020 it will only be the winning poll champion and two more. There are over 100 champions in this game that have art problems, minor kit problems, cannot compete with new champions on a gameplay and art level and need work. Mini-VGU are not going to happen. It really didn't take that much time to do a Ezreal mini-VGU before the hated re-imagining VGU no one likes. The Developers only care about new champions.

They could have said we are doing less full scale VGU and shifting towards mini-VGU. They announced they are doing less VGU and more new champions. What do you not understand?

The EcdysiastApr 24, 20194 votes

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It's not going to happen at the cadence it needs to. 5-6 new champions means they are only going to do 3 VGU on existing champions after this year. The final VGU for this entire year will only be Morde and Pantheon. In 2020 it will only be the winning poll champion and two more. There are over 100 champions in this game that have art problems, minor kit problems, cannot compete with new champions on a gameplay and art level and need work. Mini-VGU are not going to happen. It really didn't take that much time to do a Ezreal mini-VGU before the hated re-imagining VGU no one likes. The Developers only care about new champions.

They could have said we are doing less full scale VGU and shifting towards mini-VGU. They announced they are doing less VGU and more new champions. What do you not understand?

You're a little mistaken though. As they said, Mordekaiser will be the last champion with a complete VGU. From now on, reworks will be smaller. If they would've split it up as 5 new/3 full VGU, that means since they aren't going to be doing any more full VGUs, they'll probably be able to do double the number of just VU's.

And this is an odd one to cite, but there was a post the other day where an arguably pretty bad player complained about all the champions they think are OP-- and included more than half of the roster. There certainly aren't 100 champions who can't compete due to their own kits. Usually it's because another champion does their job better or is better suited to new item/rune chages. And that's impossible to prevent in a game with classes. Champions who fit into a class will have similar competitors who do something better, and depending on the meta their personal strength may be irrelevant.

As for what was actually said, they'll be focusing, "less on large-scale visual-gameplay updates.

We still think VGUs have a lot of value and they definitely won’t be going away, as there are still plenty of champions that need work. The list just isn’t nearly as long as it once was, and the champions on the list aren’t as low-quality as those who’ve received VGUs already, so we are going to adjust our cadence accordingly. Outside of the large-scale VGUs, we’ll also be doing smaller gameplay-only reworks on a case-by-case basis."

To be fair, it doesn't look like they'll be doing many visual updates. But that could easily change.

Valor BotApr 24, 20199 votes

If they would've split it up as 5 new/3 full VGU, that means since they aren't going to be doing any more full VGUs, they'll probably be able to do double the number of just VU's.

That’s pure conjecture though. Nowhere have they said they’re ramping up the number of VUs per year AFAIK. In fact, we still don’t know whether they will even be continuing “pure VUs” like Morgana, who was a special case because she needed to be updated alongside her sister Kayle.

Again, the issue here is that there are a LOT of champions who need major work, either in the form of a visual update to bring them up to par with modern day champions in League, or a full VGU to address their visual, thematic, and gameplay needs. Here are all the champions that fall under these categories:

Ahri Amumu Anivia Ashe Blitzcrank Caitlyn Chogath Corki Darius Diana DrMundo Fiddlesticks Fizz Garen Gragas Graves Hecarim Janna JarvanIV Jax Karma Kassadin Katarina Kennen KogMaw Leblanc LeeSin Leona Lulu Lux Malphite Malzahar Nautilus Nocturne Olaf Orianna Quinn Rammus Renekton Riven Rumble Shaco Shyvana Singed Skarner Sona Talon Teemo Tryndamere Udyr Varus Vayne Veigar Viktor Vladimir Volibear MonkeyKing Xerath XinZhao Zed Ziggs Zilean

That is a whopping number of 63 champions. At 3 VGUs per year, Riot would be done getting through this list in 2041!!! And while you might argue the inclusion of certain champions on the list, like Ahri or Brand who aren’t usually seen as champions needing major work, can you really say they’re visually up to date with the modern champions of League? Much of their animations are clunky and rigid, while sporting character models and texture work from a bygone era of the game. Eventually, they’ll need a facelift too, and though they may not hold the priority of a champion like Skarner or Fiddlesticks, they still require work all the same.

I suppose we could simply accept the hard reality that not every champion in League will receive a VGU, but certainly this new cadence isn’t going to help achieve that goal.

Xodiathe4bdn1Apr 24, 20191 votes

You said Renekton twice

Valor BotApr 24, 20191 votes

Fixed, thanks

ArhkadianApr 24, 20191 votes

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That’s pure conjecture though. Nowhere have they said they’re ramping up the number of VUs per year AFAIK. In fact, we still don’t know whether they will even be continuing “pure VUs” like Morgana, who was a special case because she needed to be updated alongside her sister Kayle.

Again, the issue here is that there are a LOT of champions who need major work, either in the form of a visual update to bring them up to par with modern day champions in League, or a full VGU to address their visual, thematic, and gameplay needs. Here are all the champions that fall under these categories:

That is a whopping number of 63 champions. At 3 VGUs per year, Riot would be done getting through this list in 2041!!! And while you might argue the inclusion of certain champions on the list, like Ahri or Brand who aren’t usually seen as champions needing major work, can you really say they’re visually up to date with the modern champions of League? Much of their animations are clunky and rigid, while sporting character models and texture work from a bygone era of the game. Eventually, they’ll need a facelift too, and though they may not hold the priority of a champion like Skarner or Fiddlesticks, they still require work all the same.

I suppose we could simply accept the hard reality that not every champion in League will receive a VGU, but certainly this new cadence isn’t going to help achieve that goal.

All 3 of my mains on there. FML Ahri Ashe Lux /cry rito don't ruin my champions!

Valor BotApr 25, 20191 votes

Considering the popularity and general well reception of those three champions, I wouldn’t be too concerned about their visuals or kits changing any time soon. If Riot ever did get around to updating them though, and their rework philosophy was still the same as it is today, they’d most likely just be visual updates (though I can see room for improvement in all three kits, personally).

Perma CCApr 27, 20191 votes

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Considering the popularity and general well reception of those three champions, I wouldn’t be too concerned about their visuals or kits changing any time soon. If Riot ever did get around to updating them though, and their rework philosophy was still the same as it is today, they’d most likely just be visual updates (though I can see room for improvement in all three kits, personally).

Zilean is the only one out of the three i mentioned that could use a visual update, kit wise he is fine. And the other two are fine both visually and gameplay. There are more in that list too that are perfectly fine. I think you are exaggerating the level of work Riot needs to do on their champions.

The EcdysiastApr 24, 20191 votes

Hold on now. There are plenty of champions on your list who are perfectly fine, and fit well with the look of the game as it is currently. The main problem with a lot of the humans is their hair.

Above all, Zed certainly doesn't need a model update. He has one of the highest quality default skins in the game.

Cho's texture update was the best they've ever done, and along with the VFX update completely removed the need for a model update. Though his Gentleman skin should be retextured to match. Darius, Garen, and Graves also certainly don't. Nor Kassadin, Leona, Malzahar, or Nautilus.

I can agree that ALL the Yordle boys (besides Heim) need VU's to match up to the two girls who've been updated. As does Lulu.

TheDogIsABombApr 24, 20193 votes

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Darius, Garen, and Graves also certainly don't. Nor Kassadin, Leona, Malzahar, or Nautilus.

I hope this doesn't come across as snappy, but I don't believe Kassadin is completely fine. The visual polishing they did years ago is a product that's definitely starting to show its age, since the team at the time didn't really modernize anything at a base design level, they just upgraded how he originally looked. Not to mention his voiceover is extremely shallow; I thought for sure they'd add in voice lines for him when his long awaited daughter finally entered the game, but he didn't get anything at all to acknowledge her.

I'd like to see an Ezreal-level update for him, just me personally. Like Ezreal's W, he has one spell that proves to be problematic towards his balancing in my opinion; his Q. Whenever Kassadin comes into public conversation, Null Sphere almost always gets mentioned in some way or another, because its unavoidable point and click poke damage that gets in the way of peoples' laning against him. Kassadin is supposed to be a weak laner and a strong flanker; he's supposed to wait until he completes his items before he warps in on back line champions for kills. But what usually happens in games instead is, because of the nature of that Q, he slowly pokes his lane opponents down to quarter health without them being able to retaliate much against it because of the magic absorbing shield (unless they're ad, but normally you ban ad assassins as Kass.) The problem is it makes laning against him feel boring. Especially with the damage buffs they gave it a while back, when a Kassadin brings fleet as his rune and maxes Q first, he can kind of just ignore what is supposed to be a weak early for him, since he can pretty effortlessly pressure his opponents to back through poke and mana sustain so he can farm on his own in peace.

Now, I don't really play ranked much since I've got a pretty bad stress disorder, so I'm obviously not SUPER PROFESSIONAL #1 KASSADIN 4EVR AND EVERYTHING I SAY IS TROOTH. I don't have the godly elixir of ideas for fixing him, but he's a character I do genuinely enjoy spending time playing, and I'd love to see some real love shown his way after having been pushed off to the side for quite some time. I don't know how the competitive scene views him, but I'm sure my opinions couldn't be too far off the mark. More than anything, Kass just sort of feels like a 'meh' champion design. Aside from the ult, he doesn't really have anything that delivers a thematic 'wow' or, how Riot usually puts it, a "fantasy" for his players when they pull off everything his kit has to offer. When reworked champions fight. they look smooth. When Kassadin fights, he looks a little clunky and slow. He's much more balanced now than he used to be years ago, that's for sure, but in his balance, he's lost a bit of his luster.

The EcdysiastApr 24, 20192 votes

Oh I only meant his visuals are in line with the game's current look.

But I am extremely disappointed that they went through both a Mage class update and an Assassin class update but still didn't change Kassadin in any way at all. Like, what the hell is he, then?

TheDogIsABombApr 24, 20192 votes

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Oh I only meant his visuals are in line with the game's current look.

But I am extremely disappointed that they went through both a Mage class update and an Assassin class update but still didn't change Kassadin in any way at all. Like, what the hell is he, then?

The assassin update honestly baited me into excitement back when they announced it. It sometimes feels like maybe Riot is afraid to do anything at all with Kass, like they're scared to touch him at all because of how powerful he was back in like.. Season 3 I think? Just me throwing a guess out into the void, elbow nudge ha ha bad joke.

SnowbrandApr 24, 20192 votes

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I hope this doesn't come across as snappy, but I don't believe Kassadin is completely fine. The visual polishing they did years ago is a product that's definitely starting to show its age, since the team at the time didn't really modernize anything at a base design level, they just upgraded how he originally looked. Not to mention his voiceover is extremely shallow; I thought for sure they'd add in voice lines for him when his long awaited daughter finally entered the game, but he didn't get anything at all to acknowledge her.

I'd like to see an Ezreal-level update for him, just me personally. Like Ezreal's W, he has one spell that proves to be problematic towards his balancing in my opinion; his Q. Whenever Kassadin comes into public conversation, Null Sphere almost always gets mentioned in some way or another, because its unavoidable point and click poke damage that gets in the way of peoples' laning against him. Kassadin is supposed to be a weak laner and a strong flanker; he's supposed to wait until he completes his items before he warps in on back line champions for kills. But what usually happens in games instead is, because of the nature of that Q, he slowly pokes his lane opponents down to quarter health without them being able to retaliate much against it because of the magic absorbing shield (unless they're ad, but normally you ban ad assassins as Kass.) The problem is it makes laning against him feel boring. Especially with the damage buffs they gave it a while back, when a Kassadin brings fleet as his rune and maxes Q first, he can kind of just ignore what is supposed to be a weak early for him, since he can pretty effortlessly pressure his opponents to back through poke and mana sustain so he can farm on his own in peace.

Now, I don't really play ranked much since I've got a pretty bad stress disorder, so I'm obviously not SUPER PROFESSIONAL #1 KASSADIN 4EVR AND EVERYTHING I SAY IS TROOTH. I don't have the godly elixir of ideas for fixing him, but he's a character I do genuinely enjoy spending time playing, and I'd love to see some real love shown his way after having been pushed off to the side for quite some time. I don't know how the competitive scene views him, but I'm sure my opinions couldn't be too far off the mark. More than anything, Kass just sort of feels like a 'meh' champion design. Aside from the ult, he doesn't really have anything that delivers a thematic 'wow' or, how Riot usually puts it, a "fantasy" for his players when they pull off everything his kit has to offer. When reworked champions fight. they look smooth. When Kassadin fights, he looks a little clunky and slow. He's much more balanced now than he used to be years ago, that's for sure, but in his balance, he's lost a bit of his luster.

As a 400 k kassadine player I agree. I would like to see a new visual and even a Ezreal rework to his q and maybe change his ult in some way or another.

SnowbrandApr 24, 20193 votes

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Hold on now. There are plenty of champions on your list who are perfectly fine, and fit well with the look of the game as it is currently. The main problem with a lot of the humans is their hair.

Above all, Zed certainly doesn't need a model update. He has one of the highest quality default skins in the game.

Cho's texture update was the best they've ever done, and along with the VFX update completely removed the need for a model update. Though his Gentleman skin should be retextured to match. Darius, Garen, and Graves also certainly don't. Nor Kassadin, Leona, Malzahar, or Nautilus.

I can agree that ALL the Yordle boys (besides Heim) need VU's to match up to the two girls who've been updated. As does Lulu.

The texture update for Cho was really nice, but his base skin is some of the worse I think, along the line of Mundo or Fiddelsticks for example.

Perma CCApr 25, 20191 votes

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That’s pure conjecture though. Nowhere have they said they’re ramping up the number of VUs per year AFAIK. In fact, we still don’t know whether they will even be continuing “pure VUs” like Morgana, who was a special case because she needed to be updated alongside her sister Kayle.

Again, the issue here is that there are a LOT of champions who need major work, either in the form of a visual update to bring them up to par with modern day champions in League, or a full VGU to address their visual, thematic, and gameplay needs. Here are all the champions that fall under these categories:

That is a whopping number of 63 champions. At 3 VGUs per year, Riot would be done getting through this list in 2041!!! And while you might argue the inclusion of certain champions on the list, like Ahri or Brand who aren’t usually seen as champions needing major work, can you really say they’re visually up to date with the modern champions of League? Much of their animations are clunky and rigid, while sporting character models and texture work from a bygone era of the game. Eventually, they’ll need a facelift too, and though they may not hold the priority of a champion like Skarner or Fiddlesticks, they still require work all the same.

I suppose we could simply accept the hard reality that not every champion in League will receive a VGU, but certainly this new cadence isn’t going to help achieve that goal.

Zilean? Xerath? Lol uh??? Orianna????????????????????????? There are more but im not even gonna sit here and type them all out but half if not more of those champions are perfectly fine. LOL? im actually confused with the mere mention of xerath at all in there... but Orianna too? Both those champions are very unique champions with fine visuals and gameplay.

Valor BotApr 25, 20192 votes

Those champions’ visuals are nowhere near the level of quality of today’s champions. They’re certainly not the worst, but compared to newer champions and reworks like Camille or Taric for example, there’s a very steep quality difference across all aspects of their design, and in many cases their gameplay too (is tossing clock-bombs at people really the ultimate realization of the ‘wise chronomancer’ fantasy?)

GarentheonApr 24, 20198 votes

Volibear needs more than just minor work. They’ve expressed that

Tesla EffectApr 24, 20198 votes

Make Nidalee Nidalee Look like this:

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/6/6f/Nidalee_Human_Blood_01.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20181205175956&format=original

Make Ashe Ashe look like this:

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/b/b8/Ashe_VU_3D_model_02.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20170210205159

Make Annie Annie look like this:

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/0/04/Annie_Casual_Render.png/revision/latest?cb=20180424031114

Make Hecarim Hecarim look like this:

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/e/eb/Shadow_Isles_Hecarim.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20190126161215

Make Thresh Thresh look like this:

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/3/39/Shadow_Isles_Thresh.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20190126161128

Make JarvanIV Jarvan IV look like this:

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/1/1f/Demacia_Prince_Jarvan_IV.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20181113024029

Make Ahri Ahri look like this:

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/f/f9/Ahri_New_Dawn_concept_1.png/revision/latest?cb=20161229081509

Make Blitzcrank look like this:

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/5/53/Blitzcrank_TheClimb_concept_01.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20180201010017

Make Riven Riven look like this:

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/9/9e/Riven_Awaken_Concept_01.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20190129234854

Make Fiddlesticks look like this:

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/3/39/Fiddlesticks_cin_model_2.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150607010717

Make Graves Graves look like this:

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/c/c0/Media_Concept_Graves.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140729161319

Make Tryndamere look like this:

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/f/f0/Tryndamere_Concept.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20121127094222

Whyte LyonApr 24, 20196 votes

I feel like Reav3's entire point has been lost on you. You're worried about nothing and demanding for something that is still happening. This thread is pure paranoia and misinterpretation.

JaspersApr 24, 20194 votes

There are 4 champs who still refer to summoners in their voice overs. MF, Sona, Nocturne and I forget the other, guess they don't need updating.

And let's not forget nose for a head Malphite .

I understand they they are slowing down but seems some champs need something and not just new skins.

LordRedStone Nr1Apr 24, 20191 votes

Cho'Gath probably? Even if it's not summoners, he should get a new VO.

JaspersApr 24, 20191 votes

"Summoner, your darkness beckons."

That's the one. Considering they got in the voice actor to do MF's Ult skin, it seems weird to not do the voice lines then. Apparently they did record them but they didn't work, how could they ALL not work? At the moment she has 16 lines.

Surely any of them would have been better than 16.

TzQGRUST39Apr 24, 20191 votes

Is it weird that I always saw Malph's head to be a pointy chin?

EdgeLadyApr 24, 20191 votes

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There are 4 champs who still refer to summoners in their voice overs. MF, Sona, Nocturne and I forget the other, guess they don't need updating.

And let's not forget nose for a head .

I understand they they are slowing down but seems some champs need something and not just new skins.

Mordekaiser mentions them, but he's about to get reworked. Nidalee and Cho'Gath mention summoners as well, as does Brolaf (but that's a joke so it isn't as urgent, although Olaf could really really use at least a visual update, if not a mini-rework, himself).

DarkSoul1994Apr 25, 20194 votes

Volibear needs 'very minor work' done on him? No. He's 100% Mordekaiser Tier. He needs a full Visual Update at the very least because his current model is a joke compared to how the lore describes him. He's a pretty shit champion in terms of gameplay - it's even more underwhelming now that his lore is so fucking good.

Dewott610Apr 24, 20193 votes

Don't forget reworking Ryze again /s

RaedXrayApr 24, 20193 votes

Totally agree, hope this actually gets noticed by Riot.

I'm sick of hearing new champion ideas when I see kits like Neeko's, who's kit is clearly rehashed ideas like a delayed Amumu ult, a faster Lux Q pretty much and the three hit passive BS we keep seeing everywhere. So many champions feel like they don't belong anymore because of their kits and visuals, yet they've been given a blind eye for "new champions" with reused kits.

PaffWasTakenApr 24, 20193 votes

Because of Volibear new lore, I believe he belongs in a whole VGU too, with getting something maybe lighter than some others but still getting a refreshing taste like Shen did.

The Avocado yoApr 24, 20193 votes

every single one of these posts does not have Malphite

14daysuspensionkApr 24, 20193 votes

Dorito hands Udyr lul.

ModRowanstarApr 24, 20193 votes

I personally like the reimagining vgus because it gives a more modern more realistic take on a champ. sure some champs can just get new models but warwick and galio are 2 of my favorite vgus so far because they were reimagined.

SukishooApr 24, 20193 votes

Galio was a full VGU.. Warwick was a modernization as most of his kit stayed they just changed a few things towards skill shots instead of point and click.

CaveslothApr 25, 20192 votes

Galio wasn't a VGU, he was deleted and replaced with a shiny white and gold imposter.

ModRowanstarApr 25, 20192 votes

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Galio wasn't a VGU, he was deleted and replaced with a shiny white and gold imposter.

I so love new Galio. Gold is one of my favorite colors so i love his design.

Valor BotApr 25, 20191 votes

He looks so fucking stoic and majestic too. Something about the sharp and elegant shape language in his design combined with the refined Demacian color palette makes him seem so regal and grandiose. Of course that all stands in huge contrast to his jock-like personality but Gem Lim absolutely knocked his visuals out of the park.

CaveslothApr 28, 20191 votes

Laawdy frikin da. Ya like the color scheme. I liked the color scheme too... of the old champ... that I was good at playing and enjoyed. Not this new crap that skill gates me out of champ I already owned because Riots fapping obsession with remaking ever champ to have skill floor higher than 95 percent of their players can achieve. But that why this game is dying and the people left playing it deserve what they are getting for staying.

ModRowanstarApr 28, 20191 votes

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Laawdy frikin da. Ya like the color scheme. I liked the color scheme too... of the old champ... that I was good at playing and enjoyed. Not this new crap that skill gates me out of champ I already owned because Riots fapping obsession with remaking ever champ to have skill floor higher than 95 percent of their players can achieve. But that why this game is dying and the people left playing it deserve what they are getting for staying.

It's not dying. Quit spreading falsitudes.

CaveslothApr 30, 20191 votes

Coulda fooled me lols. When's the last time they released the player numbers eh? Only reason it would benefit them not to release them is because it's shrinking. Hell just look at these forums. Used have 10 more new threads a day with over 100 upvotes, now, you see maybe one if that.

But have fun in denial.

ModRowanstarMay 1, 20191 votes

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Coulda fooled me lols. When's the last time they released the player numbers eh? Only reason it would benefit them not to release them is because it's shrinking. Hell just look at these forums. Used have 10 more new threads a day with over 100 upvotes, now, you see maybe one if that.

But have fun in denial.

considering the pro gaming and the fact that there is plenty of activity and ppl playing (i mean i have tons of friends who play plus getting into matches on a daily basis even quicker than before i think we are fine.

Genghis KhatApr 24, 20192 votes

Katarina doesnt need any work done to her? xd what are you talking about? she is literally fine right now all she needs is a nerf.

ArakadiaApr 24, 20193 votes

Her base model is pretty low quality and her design could benefit from a little modernization.

SnowbrandApr 24, 20192 votes

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Katarina doesnt need any work done to her? xd what are you talking about? she is literally fine right now all she needs is a nerf.

Her model looks kinda old. Not bad, but a visual update would be nice I think

Blue Moon WolfApr 24, 20192 votes

I wish THIS is what they said they were doing. Not increasing the number of new champs, just doing more mini-VGUs over full reworks. But despite everyone saying "that is what they are doing", not a single Rioter has SAID that. At best they have said they aren't going to stop VGUs all together, which is far from saying they are going to be doing more mini-VGUs in place of VGUs.

Sadly the fact is Riot doesn't care anymore. They'd toss the rework decision to a popularity contest and spend more time adding more champs who, as you said, WILL be making the gap in champ skins even larger then it already is (aside from the few popular ones who STILL will manage to get skins on a yearly basis) and make the existing champs feel less and less special.

Riot completely forgot WHY they slowed down on new champs to begin with. Back when I started they had just slowed down on champ releases because they were too bland and never felt like they added anything to the game, only causing more problems. It's the reason WHY champs started to need reworked.

General Esdeath Apr 24, 20192 votes

Because Riot's actual gameplay department is the biggest joke, I'd rather have EA in charge of reworking champs.

CaveslothApr 25, 20191 votes

You'd have to buy lootboxes to play them, but at least they'd be PLAYABLE.

General Esdeath Apr 25, 20191 votes

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You'd have to buy lootboxes to play them, but at least they'd be PLAYABLE.

With the BE change I already have to buy chests or grind for levels to get the champs lmao I've been playing since S3 and this year I finally unlocked all champions.

Burns MasterApr 25, 20192 votes

With the Volibear lore changes making him some sorta lovecraft type monster bear rather than a golden compass bear, he'd NEED a VGU, not minor tweaks. I hope he's a contender for the next VGU guarantee vote because thats where my money is at right now. First champion I got to m7, and now he's a bad joke of a champ.