everyone here complaining Morderkaiser is deleted, im just sitting here thinking..

agbudar·Aug 15, 2015·40 votes·3,344 views

he is going to be OP as hell with the right team comp.

remember when everyone complained about yasuo needing the right teamcomp to be effective, then everyone realized you want freelo? build team around yasuo and profit?

same thing will happen now with mordekaiser.

don't believe me? just look up some pbe streamers vids about it on youtube lots of downvotes from the so called morde mains incoming that can't handle change.

78 Comments

Nagoh ShanAug 15, 201516 votes

His solo lane is going to disappear.

Looking at his kit, I don't think many things will beat a Mord/Naut lane.

JustMyBassCannonAug 15, 20154 votes

Mord/Blitz, Mord/Naut, Mord/Morg, Mord/Karma...

Nagoh ShanAug 15, 20151 votes

It really will be a weird botlane for a while

ComannderShepardAug 15, 20153 votes

this might as well mix up the bot lane and other lanes n general. What's stopping adc's from going top to solo farm? Vayne and Quinn do it quite effectively already. If the rework is successful it may eliminate the need for an adc all together and teams may opt in to go double bruiser or bruiser/support bottom. Just a thought though; although next season looks like it's going to shake things up again.

RogueWillAug 15, 20152 votes

try double jungler, topd adc and bruiser/poke bot.... is kinda fun if the bot can hnadle the 2v1

The FastAug 15, 20151 votes

Morde W only applies to lane minions.

XhaderAug 16, 20151 votes

he isn't recommending anyone take morde double jungle, just to try a double jungle strategy

The FastAug 16, 20151 votes

But if there is a double jungle, all other lanes have 1 laner, which means Morde can't use his W passive either way.

The FastAug 15, 20153 votes

Mordekaiser/Leona is going to be an INCREDIBLE lane. Put E on leo, or ult the person as she goes in on them, and all of leo's passive procs go off instantly as they are applied.

AnomanderAug 15, 20151 votes

w not e

However I agree great lane . W also give movement to morde to get there.

The FastAug 15, 20151 votes

yeah W, my bad. Brain fart. At Morde's level 6, adds like 170 damage to the rotation

AnomanderAug 15, 20152 votes

Yeah also people are underestimating the damage from mordes w as they stack unlike how it works on live.

RozzetaAug 15, 20152 votes

Janna can easily screw this combo. Also a hard poke support could as well force Morde to W in order to heal, and lose the speed buff we'll need to follo up Leona's initiation.

The FastAug 16, 20153 votes

Yeah, thats true of any Leona lane though. Mordekaiser is gonna have good an bad matchups bot. Janna will probably go under bad matchup. I wonder how good Janna Morde would be. Potential is there, but idk if it'd be amazing.

RozzetaAug 16, 20152 votes

Sounds like a standstill. Good luck trying to pierce through Janna + Morde shield, but unless the enemy support is Soraka or pre lvl 6 Sona (unless she has access to Tempo early), you will not be able to engage on the enemy team without jungler gank.

The FastAug 16, 20151 votes

Sounds pretty good honestly. A free ticket to late-game, and movespeed for morde when he gets there.

ButterBladesXAug 15, 20157 votes

first people will like it then the hard nerfs will come and he will be more forgotten then ever befor

Big LincolnAug 15, 201516 votes

You mean like

every champion who has a team comp built around them?

Ariel the CruelAug 15, 20151 votes

IcyPepperAug 16, 20152 votes

Lulu is pleased

Zone LaserAug 15, 201514 votes

Riven MAIN : O yea i am feeling pumped this game it will just be like those last 9 games Riven MAIN: all in at lv 3 do some cancels and finish it with good old ignite Riven MAIN: Then i'll destroy that unlucky noob who is paired with me over and over again before heading out to other lanes Riven MAIN: Fuck this will be awesome Mordekaiser NOOB: GLHF Riven MAIN: Is that morde bot with morgana wait then who is Vayne MAIN: waves Riven MAIN: Guys i am sorry my sister called she is in the hospital don't report me

Ariel the CruelAug 15, 20154 votes

Lulu Hey, I poroed Riven before it was cool.

Mistress MadokaAug 16, 20151 votes

"GG AFK" ~Riven mains

JacctheInsomniacAug 15, 201513 votes

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Tannhäuser GateAug 15, 20154 votes

It is called a rework for a reason

MalchaAug 15, 201513 votes

It's not about him being OP. It's about him losing his identity. That's the real issue. Regardless of how OP new Morde is, he's reliant on having an ally and has lost his ability to push a solo lane and harass in top/mid.

That's the core of the problem, not that he's too weak.

agbudarAug 16, 20154 votes

theme wise in his old lore it was hinted at that he was a great general of an unknown army so him having allies is definitly not losing identity in fact it bringing him closer to what he should be.

just one way to look at it.

MalchaAug 16, 20158 votes

It's one way to look at it. I always saw Morde as the guy who was leading the charge. The guy who says, I'm gonna go fuck some shit up over there so you can take care of shit elsewhere.

I love the idea that Morde could serve as a fantastic distraction and even handle 2 V 1 if they didn't respect him. He just always seemed like a solo act.

I could understand it more if he were able to create ghost and could only use shields with ghost. Requiring an allied champion just feels like a cheap way to push him into bot.

That's actually what bugs me, it feels like a lot of his kit was centered around justifying that he should go bot and less about reworking mordekaiser himself.

XhaderAug 16, 20151 votes

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Requiring [an] allied champion just feels like a cheap way to push him into bot.

That's actually what bugs me, it feels like a lot of [his] kit was centered around justifying that he should go bot and less about reworking mordekaiser himself.

Couldn't agree more

FeathermaneAug 16, 20151 votes

{quoted}

It's not about him being OP. It's about him losing his identity. That's the real issue. Regardless of how OP new Morde is, he's reliant on having an ally and has lost his ability to push a solo lane and harass in top/mid.

That's the core of the problem, not that he's too weak.

So his identity is: a champion that is played in a solo lane, once in a blue moon. Irredeemable loss.

MalchaAug 16, 20151 votes

I'm assuming you're either new to this game or new to Mordekaiser

You've oversimplified it and you're wrong. That was a really shitty post. You're either trolling or too lazy to read the TON of posts addressing Mordekaiser's identity, gameplay style, and how the changes deviate from it.

EndlessSorcererAug 15, 201512 votes

Mordekaiser and Morgana.

Mother of God.

stuartk11Aug 15, 20156 votes

Morgana with her Black Shield makes the lane hilarious.

Mistress MadokaAug 16, 20152 votes

Mordana <3

EndlessSorcererAug 16, 20152 votes

The Kaiser of Morg.

RozzetaAug 15, 201510 votes

He's either going to be broken overpowered, or completely useless. Nothing in between, which is why I'm seriously concerned with this pet project of Riot.

The FastAug 16, 20153 votes

I think he's going to be a bit like Nasus. Helpless on his own earlygame, but as the game ramps up, he starts coming into his own. He'll be balanced the same way nasus is, through time.

HighH1Aug 16, 20152 votes

Oh yeah because that works out time balancing things.It's not hard to stall out a game if the enemy team wasn't fed. Veigar has the same damage of new Mordekaiser but it's spread on 3 of his spells. Morde does Veigar damage with his Q which is on a 5 second cooldown

The FastAug 16, 20154 votes

Yup, except he has to be in melee range. That isn't hard in it of itself with Trinity + Rylai's, but then you have to be in melee range and not be peeled. Veigar can land everything with a single stun, or outside of a single stun with some allied help or smart play.

Morde Q does massive damage, but its harder to get off than veigar's damage.

Like nasus, he'll be a monster if he gets to you, but he needs to get there first.

XhaderAug 16, 20159 votes

As someone who doesn't play Morde, I think it's pretty crappy his W is near-useless in a solo lane & I think his dragon interaction is just.. odd & really random. But like I said, I don't play him so take that with a grain of salt

edit: that's not to say I don't see him as a good fit for bot lane. I actually think it's a good place for him, just saying almost any other bot lane-oriented champ still has all of their abilities available if they'd like to solo lane

Sire HippingtonAug 16, 20158 votes

most people don't complain that morde will be up, but that he will be not be a enjoyable sololaner. Even if Q and E are so overtuned that it doesn't matter that he has no acces to W in a sololane, it still feels horrible with only 2 basic skills if you are used to old morde. It also isn't as nice to have insane damge on the 3-hits of doom skill if you lack all the tools to ever perfoem those 3 hits, which is why i doubt he will be a viable sololaner despite the huge Q damage.

So what will happen is that morde is played bot only, probably with cc+all-in tanks/supports. if he actually works out, he probably feels overbearing to face, if it doesn't, morde would probably feel like playing garren vs toplane vayne with kallista+janna bot...

anyway, the main point is that solo-kaiser is butchered for no good reason, and that's why people are upset.

Unlucky Number7Aug 16, 20155 votes

i thought Morde's identity was a metal badass that you didn't want to get close too. what difference does it make where he goes.

terkmcAug 16, 201511 votes

What Metal Badass absolutely requires a helping hand to use 100% of his kit?

Count ZubatAug 15, 20152 votes

Let's be honest, new Morde's Q, when combining all three auto attacks, will become the ability with (probably) the biggest scaling in the game, scaling of 390% of total AD and 260% AP. The last attack only has scaling of 270% AD and 180% AP. Somebody who made those numbers, what drugs were you on? This is legitimately the biggest nuke in the entire game on 5 seconds cooldown basic ability when maxed.

ArchenzAug 15, 20152 votes

Literally. Flash q and you insta kill the adc. And if you don't, just ult and e, that will finish em.

EvilRabbittAug 15, 20153 votes

Some say it's impossible to land, I tell em to get me my hammer item 1310 item 3022 +other assorted items.

The FastAug 16, 20154 votes

The point is that new morde can't really build full damage and get away with it. He needs tankiness, and he needs enough damage to be a threat, therefore, high scalings means he needs less items to do damage, so he can focus on defense.

If you want to get technical, 3 autos makes it a 690% AD ratio.

Also, Trinity + Rylai's = boom boom

ZavernAug 16, 20151 votes

Honestly. I build item 3022 item 3143 item 3001 and I was set for defense. Q's were still doing near 2k damage on the final hit alone.

The FastAug 16, 20154 votes

The problem with that build is that it implies you are already in melee range to slow. Not to mention Frozen Mallet gives less slow than Rylai's currently.

Abyssal is okay, but since Morde is looking more like a hybrid damage champion, magic penetration means less. Trinity Rylai's gives 700HP, MS boost, 40% slow from a range, 40% slow with every Q auto, and a 10 second 40% slow on ult.

After those items, you can build Tanky while easily reaching almost any champion in the game, doing nearly equal amounts magical and physical damage, ranging on 2200 damage from Q alone.