We're going full circle

chipndip1·Dec 22, 2018·59 votes·15,074 views

I don't want to hear anyone complain about:

Bot lane dominating the meta
Marksmen being mandatory gods of the game
It being Riot's fault that marksmen are too strong in season 9

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/developer-corner/oA7EoIrf-crit-item-explorations?show=flat&comment=003a0001

We're literally going back to a time where marksmen blew up squishies with burst on crits by the look of it, due to "community outcry" about lacking satisfaction when not dps'ing tanks (which is what everyone was saying marksmen should do JUST LAST YEAR). Whatever happens with marksmen in season 9, just note that this is a community-driven change, and I'm gonna be flaming the ever-lasting fuck out of everyone on these boards that complains when bot lane becomes high priority again.

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EvenDec 22, 201842 votes

The community is not 1 person with 1 opinion lol

Velzard of KozDec 22, 201814 votes

It's chipndip, complaining about Mr. Boards is like 95% of what he does... And never changes...

chipndip1Dec 22, 201810 votes

[{quoted}](name=Velzard of Koz,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xMcEEgQf,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2018-12-22T19:51:09.905+0000)

It's chipndip, complaining about Mr. Boards is like 95% of what he does... And never changes...

I mean, it sure beats complaining about 40% win rate champions or whining about strategic elements in a game that I don't use. It's probably a good thing that someone that's higher elo than the usual boards poster has the mind to critique the usual boards mentality instead of pushing this hive mind along with the rest of you.

D357R0Y3RDec 22, 201816 votes

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It's probably a good thing that someone that's higher elo than the usual boards poster has the mind to critique the usual boards mentality

wait...

YOU out of everyone critique the boards mentality? meanwhile when Janna was a soloq stomper in plat+ while nobody cared about her in high elo what did you do?

that's right, you jumped into the bandwagon

don't pretend like your mind isn't the same than theirs, anyone that doesn't play in d1/master will have the same opinion about balance than the boards

Janna was garbage Rakan was straight up destroying high elo, before all his nerfs there was legit nothing a high elo player could do except permabanning him Let's not even talk about Braum and tahm kench Rakan and Morgana legit had 100% ban rate in pro during like 3 patchs this season

Did you complain about tahm kench? did you complain about braum? RAKAN?

the boards mentality was that tahm kench was WEAK, complaining about him was asking for downvotes and saying that Janna was garbage was the same

so I don't remember you telling the boards that janna was irrelevant did you?

chipndip1Dec 22, 20186 votes

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D357R0Y3RDec 22, 201811 votes

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Seeing how you can ONLY remember this insanely gutted version of Janna, and not the Janna I was rallying the boards against,

I remember that before the -5 damage on W Janna was irrelevant in high elo got nerfed nevertheless for plat players

stop talking about Janna.

¿?

Don't you have a MOBA from Valve to download, anyway?

my bad, didn't know that spending time with someone I love was wrong

AirKingNeoDec 22, 201812 votes

Don't you have a MOBA from Valve to download, anyway?

Way to act civil.

Velzard of KozDec 22, 201813 votes

Two wrongs don't make right. If you actually mean to shitpost justifying it that it is lesser degree of shitpost than something else, feel free to, but you are only contributing to the - as the hivemind calls it - "reason why Gameplay is considered joke"
You don't need to be high elo player to realize flaws of the Boards systems and of humanity neither are you the only one to do so
Funny to speak of hive mind when you are constantly on front page of Boards. You brought absolutely nothing constructive in the post, yet you have more than enough upvotes because it's anti-ADC and filled with anger - you ARE one of the shepherds of the hivemind.
It is possible to be high elo contributor who goes against the popular opinion without:
- being condescending
- constantly pointing out how you are fighting against the stream which just screams "I am just different colour of echo chamber"
- lacking any constructivity
- spending 80% of the post complaining about "The Boards" and not actually bringing any solutions

There has been a guy who talked about Zed. Zed is objectively not doing great, the guy contructively offered possible soutions which weren't free buffs, didn't spend most of the post conteplating about how Zed's state is the result of "the Boards Hivemind" and guess what? Was massively downvoted because people just outright hate playing against Zed (and even then had posivite ratio). You provided much shorter post, with less solutions, just rageful shitpost and you made it to top page. Because people hate playing against ADCs when they are meta. You spend majority of your posts complaining about something that is the reason why someone even reads it - because it makes it to front page. Ironic.

chipndip1Dec 22, 20185 votes

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Two wrongs don't make right. If you actually mean to shitpost justifying it that it is lesser degree of shitpost than something else, feel free to, but you are only contributing to the - as the hivemind calls it - "reason why Gameplay is considered joke"

It's a joke because you guys complain in circles about the most meme-worthy things ad-infinitum in the most meme-worthy fashion.

Funny to speak of hive mind when you are constantly on front page of Boards. You brought absolutely nothing constructive in the post, yet you have more than enough upvotes because it's anti-ADC and filled with anger - you ARE one of the shepherds of the hivemind.

You don't know just how much I get downvoted on here. I post what I want to post, whether you guys agree or not, and most of what I post these days are critique of the boards. Someone has to have their head on straight in this bubble of Morde and Garen mains complaining about everything that shoots or dashes. Whether I'm attacking marksmen, attacking enchanters, defending Zoe, or whatever...my ideas are my own ideas. You don't know me.

It is possible to be high elo contributor who goes against the popular opinion without:

being condescending

Don't particularly care to walk on eggshells, honestly. I'm not a douche to anyone in particular on sight, but I'm not gonna walk on eggshells when addressing a collective.

constantly pointing out how you are fighting against the stream which just screams "I am just different colour of echo chamber"

...I don't do that constantly?

Also, it's hard to be a one man echo-chamber.

lacking any constructivity

I have plenty of posts that are more elongated than this one. It's harder to gain traction on longer posts. Simpler, smaller posts get more discussion. The rest you can do in the comments section.

spending 80% of the post complaining about "The Boards" and not actually bringing any solutions

The solution would be for the community at large to be less foolish about their choices. There isn't much I can do save carrying on as I always have.

There has been a guy who talked about Zed.

Oh PLEASE. Check gameplay+. I have TWO threads defending CT champs on there, one specifically tailored to Akali. I made a ton of posts defending Zoe. I made posts defending Irelia. I made posts defending Yasuo. I made posts defending the changes and meta shifts from 8.11. Idgaf what you think from this specific thread, tbh. You don't know me to make sweeping conclusions about my posting behavior on here.

Velzard of KozDec 22, 20187 votes

my ideas are my own ideas. You don't know me.

Idgaf what you think from this specific thread, tbh. You don't know me to make sweeping conclusions about my posting behavior on here.

The amount of hypocrisy here is just astonishing. You say this after you refered to me as "you guys" and accused me of "complaining in circles about the most meme-worthy things ad-infinitum in the most meme-worthy fashion.". This is exactly my problem with you. You are unique, your ideas are your own, you are different, you are not part of "you guys", you are not part of "the hivemind", you are not the part of "the Boards", you are not part of any echochamber or circlejerk... Just everyone else is. OMEGALUL.

chipndip1Dec 22, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Velzard of Koz,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xMcEEgQf,comment-id=000200000000000100000000,timestamp=2018-12-22T23:12:58.992+0000)

The amount of hypocrisy here is just astonishing. You say this after you refered to me as "you guys" and accused me of "complaining in circles about the most meme-worthy things ad-infinitum in the most meme-worthy fashion.". This is exactly my problem with you. You are unique, your ideas are your own, you are different, you are not part of "you guys", you are not part of "the hivemind", you are not the part of "the Boards", you are not part of any echochamber or circlejerk... Just everyone else is. OMEGALUL.

Yeah, cause until proven otherwise, I have no idea who you are in comparison to the hive mind here that I normally address in these posts. Care to change that or do you want to keep doing this gig you've been doing?

saltranDec 22, 20184 votes

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Yeah, cause until proven otherwise, I have no idea who you are in comparison to the hive mind here that I normally address in these posts. Care to change that or do you want to keep doing this gig you've been doing?

Your posts are the ones that get upvoted by that hive mind that you talk about, if you were against that hive mind this post wouldn't be on the front page.

Tahminatrix Dec 22, 20183 votes

[{quoted}](name=Velzard of Koz,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xMcEEgQf,comment-id=0002000000000001,timestamp=2018-12-22T20:21:28.169+0000)

Two wrongs don't make right.

-1 x -1 = 1

He needs to multiply the negative situation with his negativity rather than adding onto it with his negativity. Idk how someone does that though.

MeritasDec 22, 20184 votes

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The community is not 1 person with 1 opinion lol

Yes, it's a lot of ADCs with 1 opinion.

Ez.

DuskDaUmbreonDec 22, 20185 votes

tHE ComMunITy iS NoT 1 PErSon wItH 1 OpINioN lOL

You realize there is such a thing as a general consensus, right?

SpecterVonBarenDec 22, 20183 votes

Yet anyone that complains talks about how EVERYONE knows whats wrong and how Riot are idiots for not listening to "the whole community" or "The boards" despite this.

CM0NEYDec 23, 201810 votes

Except 99% of the complaints on this board are about damage being too high in the game in general. And Riot balance team in their infinite wisdom has decided buffing marksmen damage is the way out of this problem.

D357R0Y3RDec 22, 20188 votes

First of all nothing is definitive yet

Second, new IE is the worst fucking idea in the entire world it's so terrbile it's not even funny, and you have to build IE because you can't build anything else as a crit adc. +10% true damage to crit is so irrelevant I'm so done of using that shit

And unlike Last whisper or any "tank killing items" YOU HAVE to build IE, no matter if they have tanks or not

that being said

Old IE was overpowered, so I hope they do something about it

I can read "increase by a fair and balanced amount", idk if it's a joke from Riot or not but it really has to be fair, old IE damage wasn't fair

chipndip1Dec 22, 20186 votes

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First of all nothing is definitive yet

Second, new IE is the worst fucking idea in the entire world it's so terrbile it's not even funny, and you have to build IE because you can't build anything else as a crit adc. +10% true damage to crit is so irrelevant I'm so done of using that shit

It's there so marksmen don't "burst per second" everyone in the game. Remember "burst per second"? That was the last buzzword people were using in late season 7 and early season 8 to chastise Riot for marksmen hitting divers and assassins too hard. They'd say that marksmen would use "burst per second" to out-burst and out-dps assassins, so assassins couldn't do their jobs of killing marksmen.

Now we're going BACK to bps'ing assassins because it "feels better". Not even because crit is ACTUALLY weak (Sivir and Xayah, and Lucian building RFC + IE as 3rd and 4th items shows that crit was still useful as a mid/late game option when you're playing League and not solo queue'ing), but just because it "feels bad". Literally sacrificing the game's overall balance to once again give marksmen the throne of the game because it "feels better". Nice. Solid. GOOD SHIT.

that being said Old IE was overpowered, so I hope they do something about it I can read "increase by a fair and balanced amount", idk if it's a joke from Riot or not but it really has to be fair, old IE damage wasn't fair

That's a funny joke. Marksmen are all stat sticks. They're either on or off. There's no "fair" middle ground with marksmen because if they don't clean up fights and push lanes and scale more efficiently than everyone else, they failed the one thing they're on ~~the team~~ every team in the game for. Whichever marksman is good enough to meet that end the best is the good one, and the rest are the bad ones. If you HONESTLY think that Riot's going to find a middle ground between marksmen power levels in the game and everyone else's while also making it so marksmen feel good to play, you're mistaken...horribly.

Calling it here and now: This shit ain't it, chief.

D357R0Y3RDec 22, 20185 votes

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It's there so marksmen don't "burst per second" everyone in the game. Remember "burst per second"?

hope it won't come back with old IE's numbers

Not even because crit is ACTUALLY weak (Sivir and Xayah, and Lucian building RFC + IE as 3rd and 4th items shows that crit was still useful as a mid/late game option

They build it in late game, and they also do it because they can't pick anything else

after BC+BORK+ER lucian can't build anything that is good, that's why he builds crit Lucian himself is trash with crit

crit itself is garbage, IE is garbage, 30 true damage every 2 hits is garbage, stormrazor is a fucking joke

That's a funny joke. Marksmen are all stat sticks.

Yea, I always loved how cait was a stat stick with the lowest stat in the game

:^)

chipndip1Dec 22, 20183 votes

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They build it in late game, and they also do it because they can't pick anything else

...It's a late game build? That's literally what's SUPPOSED to happen in a balanced League of Legends.

after BC+BORK+ER lucian can't build anything that is good, that's why he builds crit Lucian himself is trash with crit

Early game champion. He's still better with crit in later stages of the game than without it, because crit...is a late game itemization option and that's where it's SUPPOSED to be good.

crit itself is garbage, IE is garbage, 30 true damage every 2 hits is garbage, stormrazor is a fucking joke

QTPie was on record talking to pros, with the pros saying they liked marksmen as they are now in pro play (he said it himself in one of the more recent Beyond The Rift episodes). Seeing how you pay more attention to organized games than solo queue, we can safely confirm that...no, crit isn't outright bad. It's worse in solo queue because solo queue is less likely to draft the types of threats that crit has been aligned for, which are tanks and really tanky fighters.

Yea, I always loved how cait was a stat stick with the lowest stat in the game

:^)

Just a weak stat-stick. Idk where the "gotcha" smiley is coming from...you didn't say anything "gotcha" worthy. Like I said "The most efficient stat sticks are the best. The rest suck because you just pick the better one." Caitlyn's simply not the better one, which is good because she should NEVER be.

saltranDec 22, 20185 votes

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...It's a late game build? That's literally what's SUPPOSED to happen in a balanced League of Legends.

Early game champion. He's still better with crit in later stages of the game than without it, because crit...is a late game itemization option and that's where it's SUPPOSED to be good.

QTPie was on record talking to pros, with the pros saying they liked marksmen as they are now in pro play (he said it himself in one of the more recent Beyond The Rift episodes). Seeing how you pay more attention to organized games than solo queue, we can safely confirm that...no, crit isn't outright bad. It's worse in solo queue because solo queue is less likely to draft the types of threats that crit has been aligned for, which are tanks and really tanky fighters.

Just a weak stat-stick. Idk where the "gotcha" smiley is coming from...you didn't say anything "gotcha" worthy. Like I said "The most efficient stat sticks are the best. The rest suck because you just pick the better one." Caitlyn's simply not the better one, which is good because she should NEVER be.

But crit is bad on pro play aswell, you can check pro play games right now on Demacia Cup and Kespa Cup and crit adcs are played marginaly.

So, if in the best scenario for crit adcs they are still weak maybe, hey, maybe it means that crit is weak.

saltranDec 22, 20183 votes

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...It's a late game build? That's literally what's SUPPOSED to happen in a balanced League of Legends.

Early game champion. He's still better with crit in later stages of the game than without it, because crit...is a late game itemization option and that's where it's SUPPOSED to be good.

QTPie was on record talking to pros, with the pros saying they liked marksmen as they are now in pro play (he said it himself in one of the more recent Beyond The Rift episodes). Seeing how you pay more attention to organized games than solo queue, we can safely confirm that...no, crit isn't outright bad. It's worse in solo queue because solo queue is less likely to draft the types of threats that crit has been aligned for, which are tanks and really tanky fighters.

Just a weak stat-stick. Idk where the "gotcha" smiley is coming from...you didn't say anything "gotcha" worthy. Like I said "The most efficient stat sticks are the best. The rest suck because you just pick the better one." Caitlyn's simply not the better one, which is good because she should NEVER be.

But Caitlyn this last season was exactly meta without being the better "stat stock" as you say, you can rewatch Spring PlayOffs and mostly MSI meta (2018) and while the best adcs were Kai'Sa and Ezreal she was played.

D357R0Y3RDec 22, 20183 votes

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...It's a late game build? That's literally what's SUPPOSED to happen in a balanced League of Legends.

So what do adcs that rely on crit instead of on-hit build until late game SHERLOCK?

Early game champion. He's still better with crit in later stages of the game than without it, because crit...is a late game itemization option and that's where it's SUPPOSED to be good.

No If an other on-hit item that lucian's passive could abuse, he would go for it instead of crit

QTPie was on record talking to pros, with the pros saying they liked marksmen as they are now in pro play

world showed that you had 0 crit adc viable, 0 late game scaling adc except kai'sa xayah and ezreal who happen to be insanely strong in lane (strong in lane, not saying that they can kill or bully, just that they can stand on their feet against broken shit)

The only late game adc that happened to be picked was Sivir because she could hardcounter a lot of matchups involving Alistar who was a fucking disgusting broken champion

Just a weak stat-stick.

Yea and you know what that weak stat-stick has to use abilities to kill you, poke you, play around terrains that favor her (like bushes where she deals x2 more damage)

hm, stat stick, meanwhile has a skillshot that deals x2 more damage than an autoattack?

OH YEA STAT STICK INDEED, I guess Yasuo is just a weak stat stick because aside from Q he stat checks you with the worst stats in the agme

Caitlyn's simply not the better one, which is good because she should NEVER be.

Cait was picked a lot before 8.11, even against kai'sa, no clue again what the $$$$ are you talking about Cait is by far the healthiest of all adcs, because she has weak stats and rely on playing around her abilities to win

the fact that you don't know it shows how you can't grasp what is good for the game or not

chipndip1Dec 22, 20182 votes

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D357R0Y3RDec 23, 20184 votes

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Stormrazor

garbage item

...ok? It'd still be weaker than doubling his damage on 30% or 60% of his AAs. Question here is a matter of time and gold efficiency, but crit always outscales in terms of raw power.

It wouldn't

Blatantly fake news, Trump.

Omegalul

No one cares.

I do, no late game adc was picked except if the environment made it so you blantanly counterpicked the enemy

The point is that, out of Lucian, Sivir, Xayah, and Kai'Sa, 2 of them regularly built crit as core items, and Lucian dipped into crit after his 2 item core.

No one cares

in the Demacia cup

omegalul

I mean, sure, we'll romanticize Caitlyn and her "highest AA range in bot lane" like this if you feel better about it.

No, it's like stating facts about how Caitlyn gives up all base stats to get high AA range making her unable to win a 1v1 purely by rightclicking, while her Q has x2 more damage than her AA that crits

your knowledge needs to be better

Lots of marksmen do slightly different things. They're still ultimately stat sticks with high reliable power and low agency. Highly doubt a bunch of itemization changes fix that, which is why you keep whining about one of the most dumbest champions in bot lane feeling "weak" when she's on the rise.

No but you've never been good at analogies.

omegalul

I want you to know that you're not taken very seriously for lines like these.

I am taken very seriously, you're the only one that doesn't take me seriously wherever I go people understand what I say, you're telling me this when you're the only one who acts like I'm talking shit when you're way worse your knowledge on botlane is the knowledge of a d3 enchanter main, I can't do much about that if you refuse to understand how other classes work.

Don't you and your girlfriend have a MOBA from Valve to download?

We have even better to do, but you're legit asking me this, next time you might as well be a better $$$$

AseraanDec 22, 20188 votes

The fun thing is i dont even see any tank in games wich adc supposed to be good against cuz "tanks re too strong" and "tank meta" but than one is gone the other role is irrelevnt cuz onec tanks gone assasins rise out of their holes wicha again adc palyers nightmare.

Its a never ending sht show realy.

FOR JUSTICEDec 22, 20187 votes

i think there is a reason the OP in those dev corner posts dont have upvote/downvote options

[sg-lulu]

MeritasDec 23, 20181 votes

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i think there is a reason the OP in those dev corner posts dont have upvote/downvote options

[sg-lulu]

Probably the reason is that these forums have had nothing but complaints ever since Season 1. Riot can't please all of the however much million players this game has, but they can focus on making their vision of the game reality.

ModCaptainMårvelousDec 22, 20187 votes

Nerf Scissors. Rock is fine.

Challenger Level Paper Main.

3TWarriorDec 23, 20181 votes

I thought it was: nerf dynamite, paper is fine, scissors might need some work and rock might need buffs but the game hasn't been rock paper scissors in years...since approximately season 4 or 5 ?

ŚhunpoDec 23, 20181 votes

It's no longer rock paper scissors, Meddler played nuke in the form of the new runes, Irelia and Akali and now everyone loses.

Cats Are FoodDec 22, 20186 votes

Yeahhh I've an entire thread about this that originated 3 years ago.

The community does this to themselves, forgets they did it six months later, and shriek about it for six more months.

ValiantKillerDec 22, 20185 votes

Yah it over for us, Top lane and jungle 100% going to die now as roles and game going to be focus around the damn ADC all over again.

Honestly balance team and community right now throwing the balance out of the window for good.

AirKingNeoDec 22, 20182 votes

they're doing minor damage buffs and mainly defensive buffs, how would ADCs become the main focus when RFC/Shiv/Hurricane 2800 gold still?

GayFluffyUnicornDec 23, 20183 votes

And already buffed enchanters. This is VERY volatile what they are doing. And they talked about working on crit itemization and we all know riot.

Mute Me Im MeanDec 23, 20182 votes

Oh no damage dealers who do damage who'd have thought.

Damage does damage, Supports Protect, Mages Zone, Engage Disengage, reengage. Tanks Peel and Engage. Assasins burst down low health targets. Fighters engage, or burst depending on situation

Like seriously you guys are getting bent about the game working the way it's supposed to. It's a strategy team game,if you want equal damage and health then play a first person shooter. The changes made in season 8 were horrendous for gameplay and viewership. The game is what it is, and was popular the way it was, so why alter a formula that people are clearly enjoy?

They tried to make changes in COD and HALO. It caused halo to pretty much destroy it's entire franchise.. It nearly happened in COD too until they reverted it.

Change is bad, and what you guys are asking for is basically world of warcraft pvp (news flash, that games pvp is a joke).

saltranDec 22, 20185 votes

Remind me in 2 months !

D357R0Y3RDec 22, 20188 votes

Remind me in 2 months, that giving late game class +30 true damage on half of an adc's autoattacks was a good idea

hoshizukuDec 22, 20185 votes

I'm not sure why you'd blame the boards for something that Riot games does. If you are unsatisfied with the state of a game, that's not the players' fault, it's both your own fault and the fault of the people who created the game. You choose to play the game. The developers are directly responsible for any changes, and they choose to listen/not listen to anything seen on these boards.

Mute Me Im MeanDec 23, 20181 votes

Tanks have never been useless in the game, these people just want to be able to 1v5 like they imagine adc are doing. When in reality ur getting beat by an enitre team when you lose.. not one player. Unless of course they have an int sion... Yeah lets make every tank int sion that will be a good meta

hoshizukuDec 24, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Mute Me Im Mean,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xMcEEgQf,comment-id=00090000,timestamp=2018-12-23T06:51:23.466+0000)

Tanks have never been useless in the game, these people just want to be able to 1v5 like they imagine adc are doing. When in reality ur getting beat by an enitre team when you lose.. not one player. Unless of course they have an int sion... Yeah lets make every tank int sion that will be a good meta

I think you replied to the wrong person, mate.

ForeverLaxxDec 23, 20185 votes

I don't know why you guys bother with Chip. He's known to ride the bandwagon so he can flaunt his "status" as a "high elo" player as some kind of badge that states he's always right and you're always wrong. His threads are intentionally inflammatory and combative because those are the threads that get attention.

All he wants is the attention. Nothing in his posts is about anything else other than demanding attention. The sooner you all realize that, the better off your day will be.

HügöDec 22, 20184 votes

S7 here we come.

Tahminatrix Dec 22, 20183 votes

Im just afraid of what these changes could turn yasuo into, im already used to being useless against adcs since I mainly play tanks.

deadlychuckDec 23, 20183 votes

The only meta circle that they've gone through in the past like 5 years is

Sustained physical damage > Burst Physical damage > Armor > Sustained physical damage

And the cycle continues.

Damage overall is just too high, and there's a natural asymmetry in sustained vs burst damage when you start to reach certain thresholds.

MalzaDec 23, 20183 votes

Riot shouldn't buff adcs unless they actually aren't picked anymore.

AirKingNeoDec 23, 20181 votes

no body would pick anything else because nothing else does high DPS

unless we wanna make them so shitty that Kayle becomes viable bot lane

also mages are being picked bot :(

KeshaunDec 23, 20182 votes

I wish they would just stop trying to implement new ideas and fix their old ones. No one asked to change crit items, but they went ahead and did that and now marksmen really suck. On top of changing crit items, they nerfed all base stats, making their laning phase horrendous. I don't personally main ADC, but I would've rather seen them just lower the critical strike damage modifier on Infinity Edge, lower the damage on IE, BT, and ER by maybe 10 and make the attack speed items 2700G versus the original 2600G. Instead, they had to completely change everything and now they're going to change everything again.

Beast BrawlerDec 23, 20182 votes

I want Riot to nerf damage everywhere else to acceptable levels that feel good on a case by case basis. ADCs aren't weak, it's that everyone is camping bot lane because double the people to farm gold off of. It's why I like top lane tbh, an island of solidarity where (usually) the only thing deciding the lane is the player's skill. I feel bad for ADC players. Don't change crit items yet, try something else first.

Bot lane is already high priority, that's why it feels shit to play an ADC that isn't Lucian or Jhin. Lowering damage everywhere else is the answer and will solve a lot more lasting effects.