What do people think about Anivia?

Penns··2 votes·1,694 views

Does her low pick/ban rate make her fine? Cause she is and has been a god tier mid laner with Ahri Kassadin and Katarina Talon back then for a LONG time now and even a very strong top laner. She cant ER anymore but in turn Riot reduced her W cooldown by almost 10 seconds and cut the time it takes for her ult to expand in half.

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Nahui2 votes

Still an amazing champion. Many different zoning options, almost unrivaled pushing potential and still hits like a huge truck. Her only real nerf was that she couldn't be played as a counterplay-less, cheesy mage anymore by abusing a mechanic in her kit that went against the theme of the spell.

Still very high ranking on most ranking sites though. Will always be good tbh.

Penns1 votes

She is pretty cool but imo she is too strong too. Implying she plays well there is pretty much no counterplay to her ult now that it only takes 1.5s to fully channel since she can just wall you off and stun you (doesnt need to, the slow from ult + the wall is enough anyway).

Nahui1 votes

Well that's kinda the point of the kit too, the whole reason it takes time to fully channel and such. Yeah she can wall you off and stun you and keep you in the ult, but that's her setting her entire kit up. Lots of champions have that sort of deal, like Syndra or Orianna. I don't know if she's necessarily -too- strong, but she's definitely one of the better mid laners. Her glaring immobility is really what keeps her down. In team fights though she is simply amazing.

xJLx MCHammer1 votes

I main her

She is definitely strong versus certain meta picks like Ahri Lucian Orianna Viktor Yasuo Zed Talon Syndra But she does horribly against really long range champions or mobile ones Xerath Velkoz Veigar Lux Fizz

She is also horrible against sustain damage dealers like Cassiopiea. She does not do well against small skirmishes

In team fights, she is good as a zoning champion. Being able to siege and get objectives. she remains to be one of the few mages (non assassins) that can burst adc's down if you give her the change. Q>E does a F ton of damage mid to late game. If you are in her ultimate while she lands Q and E, as a squishy champion, you are probably going to die.

In lane, she can CS well till level 6. If you push, she will have a horrible time. Past 6, it's all about the mana. If she gets a blue, she can sustain into mid game against many opponents. Otherwise, she loses mana real quick

Dark Nephthys1 votes

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I main her

She is definitely strong versus certain meta picks like Ahri Lucian Orianna Viktor Yasuo Zed Talon Syndra But she does horribly against really long range champions or mobile ones Xerath Velkoz Veigar Lux Fizz

She is also horrible against sustain damage dealers like Cassiopiea. She does not do well against small skirmishes

In team fights, she is good as a zoning champion. Being able to siege and get objectives.

I agree with all the champions you listed that do well into Anivia. Especially Velkoz as that is my general go to against Anivia since she can't do anything about Vel. Though I feel some of the champions you put down in the "shes strong against" are a little wrong imo. Mainly Viktor has his wave clear is almost as strong as Anivias plus Viktor has strong poke with his E and Q. I'd say that is a skill match up and not an advantage towards Anivia.

I'd also say maybe the same thing for Talon as he easily has the damage to get Anivia into her egg and kill her and as long as he can dodge her Q then he has no fear of Anivia because he can keep jumping over Anivia's wall so unless Anivia can land a Q she can't do anything against him. I feel that one is more of a skill match up as well.

Also just going to put down possibly one of the hardest Anivia counters which is Kassadin. That might be a personal counter to me when playing Anivia but everything in his kit is strong against Anivia, as long as Kass can survive the pre 6 against her I feel he has a huge advantage against her.

Dark Nephthys1 votes

The amount of mana that she goes through for her combo now that she has to use her wall to reliably use her E (unless the enemy couldn't dodge her Q) is her real counterplay to her ultimate. Not to mention that you can still stop her ultimate by hitting her with CC which puts her ultimate on CD and basically means she has no real damage until that comes back around.

Also while she has amazing wave clear that is probably the best in the game and she can stall out games pretty well, that is only when she hits level 6 because her pre-6 wave clear is down right terrible. So take advantage of that and constantly push her into turret pre 6, because she is so bad at last hitting under tower and I'd say maybe one of the worst pre 6. Then when you think about Mid/late game, sure her wave clear is insane but it costs her like 3 or 4 times as much mana to really clear the waves when compared to other strong wave clear champions.

Like Anivia has to have her ultimate out for X amount of seconds while also using her Q (or just use only her ultimate and lose more mana) which could easily reach 300-400 mana, especially if the enemy team has Baron which would run her mana down even more.

Compare that to some one like Viktor who just uses his E and can clear an entire minion wave with only losing like what 110 mana? I'm to lazy to check his E's mana cost but its probably around 100-120 or so.

Personally there is a lot of counters to her and Anivia has a lot of weaknesses which I'd still argue that she has one of the most amount of weaknesses in the game. As an Anivia main, I always look forward to fighting her if one actually gets picked into me Mid lane because I haven't lost a lane against one because I know how easy she is to beat in lane.

I feel she is perfectly fine the way she is. She doesn't need buffs at all and she isn't to strong to need nerfs. She only "feels" like a really strong mid laner because most people who play her now are more experienced Anivia players.

Penns2 votes

Well she uses a lot of mana early-late laning phase, but Rod and likely a Tear are core so it doesnt really matter later. Its just probably one of the worst feelings in the game to play against an Anivia with blue buff / a tear that just uses her ult and walks away as melee champ lol.

Dark Nephthys2 votes

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Well she uses a lot of mana early-late laning phase, but Rod and likely a Tear are core so it doesnt really matter later. Its just probably one of the worst feelings in the game to play against an Anivia with blue buff / a tear that just uses her ult and walks away as melee champ lol.

Yea but because of that she is a heavy stacking champion who is forced into a set item path and doesn't really have a real way to counter build the enemy early on. Like if she was fighting , Zed she wouldn't be able to rush a item 3157 like most mages would or if she was fighting Vladimir Swain she most likely wouldn't be able to grab a really early item 3165 at least not until she has item 3070 item 3027 at least. Also with the changes to item 3102 it actually hurt her more than helps her now that the enemy mid laner might be buying this as their 1st/2nd item since she doesn't have as easy of a time to pop it unless she wants to lose out on a decent portion of her damage.

Though I will admit that she would be really annoying to fight as a melee champion lol. Kind of surprising that she isn't played as much top lane, especially since summoner 12 as always been a pretty decent summoner spell on her thanks to having another use like teleporting egg. Not to mention going top lane would allow her to have a way easier time to get to level 6 without as much possible harass.

Jinzo Torrance1 votes

I think she's a ResidentSleeper champion who presses R and collects 6 CS, also she half-health immobile champions by doing R W E.

Anìvìa2 votes

Whenever I use ult against the wave, I get to see which players played against anivia before and who doesnt, simply because they pressure me out of the thter range. It is slow, mana intense and definetly not free. (The mana used to push is lost in any fight and that usualy means I can't help as much as I want to)

Anìvìa1 votes

Well, here we go again.

Shacophobia1 votes

Really obnoxious champ imo. Running Away? Wall. You nearly kill her? Egg. Never liked ppl who played her tbh.

Lexyy1 votes

They ruined her. Ult is stupid as hell, E is only good if you previously stunned the enemy. Useless

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