Uhhh wtf is Zed?

DOUBLE TAPPED E·Jul 7, 2019·12 votes·4,650 views

v both full hp.

His W is on cooldown. He misses Q, has no energy. I have vs his at lv 10 (no rank 2 R yet).

I go in, Q, E, W, auto, pick up the Q dagger, auto

He presses R, auto E auto. Procs Electrocute.

I R, proccing Conqueror.

His W comes back up and he dashes away.

I E back to the minions, and his ult procs and kills me.

I had 90 armor. 90. Armor.

What?

If he builds it makes him unkillable for me until I build which I can't build before if I want to be an actual champion... why does not force him to build ? Why is he allowed to miss everything and fight me when he has no Q, no W, and still come out on top, even though I have 90 armor?

54 Comments

CudyDarkyzJul 7, 201911 votes

It to bad that about 95% of the things you said are false after looking over the replay.

You are both at 70%ish not full hp.

His W was on cd but he did hit you with a Q and he is at half energy.

The fight is at lvl 6/7 "Zed is lvl 7" the items are you with a item 1036 item 1029 and him with a item 3134 .

You do not q-e-w-auto you E-W-R.

He ults while your useing your ult dodging most of it, but his combo isnt r-aa-e-aa its r-e-aa-q.

His W does not come back up it still halfway on cooldown after the end of the fight.

You did not E to a minion and id say the deathmark wasn't even needed to kill you because of the ignite.

you did not have 90 armor you had 69.

And if you mean a fight that happened at level 10 hate to say this but there wasn't one from lvl 10-11 zed wasn't even on your screen. also how do you get to lvl 10 with only 2 long swords and a seekers same for zed? pretty sure you can get more then that by afking to the same time?

LINK-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ILd68BWuMg&feature=youtu.be

DuskDaUmbreonJul 7, 20195 votes

Zed wasn't on his screen for that time?

That's fucking hilarious.

DOUBLE TAPPED EJul 7, 20191 votes

Ah. Well. Now I feel stupid, as I should!

The ChillinJul 9, 20192 votes

Absolutely slammed, thank you for the good work

Exin0Jul 7, 20199 votes

[{quoted}](name=Will of Noxus,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=xI4NVWUY,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-07-07T05:51:45.584+0000)

v both full hp.

His W is on cooldown. He misses Q, has no energy. I have vs his at lv 10 (no rank 2 R yet).

I go in, Q, E, W, auto, pick up the Q dagger, auto

He presses R, auto E auto. Procs Electrocute.

I R, proccing Conqueror.

His W comes back up and he dashes away.

I E back to the minions, and his ult procs and kills me.

I had 90 armor. 90. Armor.

What?

If he builds it makes him unkillable for me until I build which I can't build before if I want to be an actual champion... why does not force him to build ? Why is he allowed to miss everything and fight me when he has no Q, no W, and still come out on top, even though I have 90 armor?

this was actualy discused not long ago - zed vs rammus and it was determined by community that assassins need to be tank busters because of reasons, dont ask my why i cannot wrap my head around that logic niether. So buy no defense just full yolo and dont believe zed mains that seekers make you immortal god.

DuskDaUmbreonJul 7, 20194 votes

Wasn't that actually nothing like what you said, and just because the Zed was fed as fuck?

DGAGAAsharpAGDJul 7, 201910 votes

You mean the post where Zed had full antiarmor build and I mean full, he sold boots to get dirk, just for Rammus to live +-8 secs while eating 2 whole rotations??

Exin0Jul 7, 20192 votes

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You mean the post where Zed had full antiarmor build and I mean full, he sold boots to get dirk, just for Rammus to live +-8 secs while eating 2 whole rotations??

think of it whatever you want , btw i was only stating result of that discusion not analyzing particular fight or if rammus should or should not die but iam not returning to this can of worms,

Solutate KhazJul 7, 20192 votes

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You mean the post where Zed had full antiarmor build and I mean full, he sold boots to get dirk, just for Rammus to live +-8 secs while eating 2 whole rotations??

ZeD iS bRoKeN NA

The ChillinJul 9, 20191 votes

This region is funny. People here dont learn how to be play against stuff they beg Papa riot to nerf the game around them.

D357R0Y3RJul 7, 20192 votes

more like people with brain acknowledged that a tank fucking around a full offensive items champion for 15 sec + deserved to die

Exin0Jul 7, 20192 votes

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more like people with brain acknowledged that a tank fucking around a full offensive items champion for 15 sec + deserved to die

think of it whatever you want , btw i was only stating result of that discusion not analyzing particular fight or if rammus should or should not die but iam not returning to this can of worms,

BlåsigtJul 7, 20195 votes

I think my problem with Zed is that he is an assassin that, for all intents and purposes, plays like a ranged mage with the potency of an assassin, but with very mitigated risk. Sure, his ult requires him to dive into seemingly risky situations. Nevertheless, he has one of the best peel abilities of all of the assassins.

Another problem with his kit is the way his passive synergizes with electrocute.

Despite all of my misgivings with him, I am not sure is so overpowered as to be classified as broken.

IP MasquerenaJul 7, 20196 votes

Broken means a kit design problem, which he sure fucking has, overpowered is a number problem.

Right now Zed is over powered by all definitions except for people who just try to stretch the definition of overpowered to fit their needs.

Currently classified as S+ tier for mid on U.GG and here are his per rank stats (from U.GG, I'll give them in this order, win, pick, ban)

Iron: 50.54%, 15.1%, 42.5%
Bronze: 49.9%, 16.3%, 47.6%
Silver: 50.23%, 14.5%, 51.8%
Gold: 50.88%, 13.2%, 51.6%
Platinum: 51.52%, 12.5%, 46.6%
Diamond: 51.76%, 11.8%, 35.5%
Master: 52.66%, 10.3%, 22.5%
Grandmaster: 53.2%, 11.5%, 21.4%
Challenger: 58.26%, 11.3%, 13.7%

I mean, at that play rate and ban rate, 49.9% can't even be considered a negative win rate, so basically, Zed has huge play rates, no negative winrates across the board and is considered one of the hardest champs to play in the game, one of the easiest to counter and he's not good in places where people communicate a lot and know how to play, yet his highest win rate is in Challenger, where people know how to counter, where people know how to play and they communicate. If he was so easy to counter and all you had to do is build Seeker's to "nullify all his damage" as everyone sais, why is his lowest win rate in places where people DON'T BUILD SEEKER'S yet his highest is where people know how to counter him?

He may need a lot of skill and mechanical knowledge to play to perfection, that's true and I won't deny it, but his skill floor.....I'd probably put him at Tryndamere level. If he didn't had such play rates in low elo, his win rate in his current state would be much higher.

Let's compare to Riven for example, who's a champion called "OMFGBBQOPBROKENMETA" by pretty much everyone here, or at least, the vast majority:

Iron: 44.33%, 5.3%, 2%
Bronze: 45.5%, 5.5%, 2.1%
Silver: 47.8%, 6.7%, 2.8%
Gold: 49.8%, 8.4%, 4.2%
Platinum: 51.07%, 10.1%, 6.8%
Diamond: 52.76%, 11.8%, 12.6%
Master: 54.03%, 10.7%, 16,6%
Grandmaster: 54.35%, 11%, 20.7%
Challenger: 53.62%, 11%, 19.8%

So she only wins more than Zed between Diamond and Grandmaster and is only banned more than him in Challenger, yet she's always played less than him. If Zed had her play rate in Iron, Bronze and Silver, he'd be close to 60% there, but even at almost triple her play rate, he's still in positive win rates, yet she's.....well, struggling so to put it. Yes, Conqueror, DD and Spear make her strong, but she's still hard to play. Is she stronger than she needs to be? A bit, yes, but she still shows she's hard to play, look at the stats. If she's over powered, then Zed outclasses her by a lot.

(all stats are in each's main lane, no Support Riven or JG Zed interfering with their stats)

Zed needs nerfs, starting with his passive being stopped from working on creeps. Wanna know why he has such a high win rate in lower elos? He farms too easy, with his 30 free bonus damage for LH from his passive, making him get his items too easy, and Zed has no issues killing with items, even if he misses Q, since that's the skill he maxes first, and that shouldn't happen unless the enemy is like 200 HP, but in that case, why the hell didn't you back off when against an Assassin?

DuskDaUmbreonJul 7, 20194 votes

Nice to see someone actually analyzing stats.

Doesn't change the fact that OP outright lied (such as the situation he described having never happened), but his lying doesn't inherently mean Zed isn't OP.

IP MasquerenaJul 7, 20193 votes

Too bad Zed won't be nerfed.

I mean, have you seen the r/zedmains after the revert of some of his buffs that made him so strong? "Zed is now barely playable for 1 patch and they gut him again".

Zed needs a minirework, most especially to that passive.

ŚhunpoJul 7, 20195 votes

From one Kat player to another, just don't fight Zed. He's an overpowered mess of a champion who lacks significant forms of counterplay thanks to the new runes providing him with far too much damage and making others lose out on needed defensive stats.

As for item 3155 , it just needs to be removed from the game, simple as that. Or better yet, turn it into a tier 3 item so that AD assassins+ADCs can't just fork up ONLY 1.3k gold to become borderline unkillable when facing AP champions.

HahahahyenaJul 7, 20193 votes

people will defend unbalanced cancer like Zed to the death for no reason, I guess those people like unfun and unbalanced gameplay?

i dont understand people and their obsession with 1-shot burst, it just makes the game stale and brainless

CrystalyskJul 7, 20191 votes

I am not defending Zed, but I am also not defending someone like OP who straight lied about everything he said.

HahahahyenaJul 8, 20191 votes

i already knew OP had a lopsided defense when it contained Kat and Conq but zed still needs to have either his safety nerfed or his damage nerfed

Solutate KhazJul 7, 20192 votes

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people will defend unbalanced cancer like to the death for no reason, I guess those people like unfun and unbalanced gameplay?

i dont understand people and their obsession with 1-shot burst, it just makes the game stale and brainless

Or you can get better, you can trust me, and then zed won't be a problem... ever

HahahahyenaJul 8, 20191 votes

"git gud" the troll says as zed 100-0's anything and everything in his path.

unless youre going to actually contribute to the conversation your statement is null and void.

zed has too much damage for how safe and reliable it is. he deserves to have his damage nerfed so that he actually needs to have skill to be able to 100-0.

Solutate KhazJul 8, 20192 votes

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"git gud" the troll says as zed 100-0's anything and everything in his path.

unless youre going to actually contribute to the conversation your statement is null and void.

zed has too much damage for how safe and reliable it is. he deserves to have his damage nerfed so that he actually needs to have skill to be able to 100-0.

Play better champs. Play laning phase better Play better Build right items Know how to sacrifice cs if you KNOW hes going to kill you. Zed isn't a problem, legit just get better.

HahahahyenaJul 8, 20191 votes

Play better champs.

like who cause he just 100-0's anyone he lanes against

Play laning phase better

Zed he can effectively cast his ult from anywhere in lane with his w teleport, then all he needs to do is blow his kit at point blank and ignite and youre dead without any counterplay.

anyone could play laning phase better if riot didnt overload zed with too much damage that he doesnt need/

Play better

cant dodge point and click damage

Know how to sacrifice cs if you KNOW hes going to kill you.

he ALWAYS can kill you as soon as he hits 6. so your counterplay is to just afk under turret and letting him cs for free or else hes just gonna kill you, got it.

Zed isn't a problem, legit just get better.

"GiT gUd" the troll says as zed 100-0's anything and everything in his path.

Solutate KhazJul 8, 20192 votes

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like who cause he just 100-0's anyone he lanes against

he can effectively cast his ult from anywhere in lane with his w teleport, then all he needs to do is blow his kit at point blank and ignite and youre dead without any counterplay.

anyone could play laning phase better if riot didnt overload zed with too much damage that he doesnt need/

cant dodge point and click damage

he ALWAYS can kill you as soon as he hits 6. so your counterplay is to just afk under turret and letting him cs for free or else hes just gonna kill you, got it.

"GiT gUd" the troll says as zed 100-0's anything and everything in his path.

I see whats going on here, your hardstuck silver since s5... ok man, your right, your the better player haha zed efinetly isnt a meme to good players for a reason haha

HahahahyenaJul 8, 20192 votes

clearly you havent seen zed's winrates

ill give you Rylai's post so you can actually read rather than just saying "LuL sIlVeR sCrUb"

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Broken means a kit design problem, which he sure fucking has, overpowered is a number problem.

Right now Zed is over powered by all definitions except for people who just try to stretch the definition of overpowered to fit their needs.

Currently classified as S+ tier for mid on U.GG and here are his per rank stats (from U.GG, I'll give them in this order, win, pick, ban)

Iron: 50.54%, 15.1%, 42.5%

Bronze: 49.9%, 16.3%, 47.6%

Silver: 50.23%, 14.5%, 51.8%

Gold: 50.88%, 13.2%, 51.6%

Platinum: 51.52%, 12.5%, 46.6%

Diamond: 51.76%, 11.8%, 35.5%

Master: 52.66%, 10.3%, 22.5%

Grandmaster: 53.2%, 11.5%, 21.4%

Challenger: 58.26%, 11.3%, 13.7%

I mean, at that play rate and ban rate, 49.9% can't even be considered a negative win rate, so basically, Zed has huge play rates, no negative winrates across the board and is considered one of the hardest champs to play in the game, one of the easiest to counter and he's not good in places where people communicate a lot and know how to play, yet his highest win rate is in Challenger, where people know how to counter, where people know how to play and they communicate. If he was so easy to counter and all you had to do is build Seeker's to "nullify all his damage" as everyone sais, why is his lowest win rate in places where people DON'T BUILD SEEKER'S yet his highest is where people know how to counter him?

as you can see Zed is a huge problem in more elos that "SiLvEr"

he deserves either his damage or his safety nerfed, whether youre still stuck in the mindset of "GiT gUd" or not you cant argue with facts

IP MasquerenaJul 9, 20192 votes

I'm not the Crystal Maiden, my name is Rylalei.

HahahahyenaJul 9, 20191 votes

my deepest apologies

IP MasquerenaJul 9, 20192 votes

No worries. Was just joking. I'd love to have CM's sizes, but oh well, not all of us are lucky.

And don't worry, you're not the first to get the name wrong, if I could only have a chocolate for every person who got it wrong....

The ChillinJul 9, 20191 votes

People just don't understand cloth counters youmuus. Tabi OR seekers OR chainvest counter 5800g worth of lethality. Easy game go next

The thigh guyJul 7, 20193 votes

Well you see. Your first mistake was assuming armor did something in this game. It’s really just a trap for new players at this point.

DuskDaUmbreonJul 7, 20192 votes

You got a clip of this happening?

Also why did you have conqueror anyways? You barely managed to proc it with your last ability cast on him and it's meant for sustained fights, which assassins generally actively avoid, rather than the burst which would have done something.

IP MasquerenaJul 7, 20191 votes

Conqueror Kat is a high elo thing, where she goes Gunblade into DD to basically be unkillable in skirmishes. Yes, it's not the best in 1v1, but it works well later, making her team fighting even stronger.

DuskDaUmbreonJul 7, 20191 votes

Huh.

IP MasquerenaJul 7, 20192 votes

Yep, that's her best rune combo in high elo and in general.

It's just some wacky build where she simply outsustains you if you can't burst her down instantly, but that build requires a bit more of a different playstyle early than your normal Electrokat build.

The rune build itself in challenger has a 60% win rate as her highest win rate rune setup being Conqueror, Triumph, Tenacity, Coup de Grace, Sudden Impact and Ravenous, with Conqueror being her highest winrate Rune, followed 2nd by Electrocute. (58% v 56%)

DuskDaUmbreonJul 7, 20191 votes

Interesting. I never knew that.

Fascinating.

IP MasquerenaJul 7, 20191 votes

Good luck if you decide to try it, and hf.

DuskDaUmbreonJul 7, 20191 votes

Nah. I don't play Kat, so I wouldn't be using it.

Still interesting to know it's strong on her tho.

The ChillinJul 9, 20191 votes

This was the best way, back before conqueror got nerfed. Now you take conqueror into double tank comps. Otherwise just take electrocute and take as many people down as fast as you can. Don't take conq into burst comps either. That would be bad cause you won't have time to stack it realistically.

CudyDarkyzJul 7, 20192 votes

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You got a clip of this happening?

Also why did you have conqueror anyways? You barely managed to proc it with your last ability cast on him and it's meant for sustained fights, which assassins generally actively avoid, rather than the burst which would have done something.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ILd68BWuMg&feature=youtu.be rip

D357R0Y3RJul 7, 20193 votes

so, he thinks he can win 1v1 when zed dodged his passive damage and kata didn't use a single spell on him except ult while tanking a creep wave?

hmm

DuskDaUmbreonJul 7, 20192 votes

Yikes, OP lied about a lot of shit there didn't he?

"I had seekers and landed my passive!" - Both blatant lies.

Even lied about the number of swords he had.

CrystalyskJul 7, 20193 votes

Even said he died to E and auto when Zed hits a shuriken too, and lets not forget ignite and electrocute.

DuskDaUmbreonJul 7, 20193 votes

Yeah...And this is why I always demand evidence. Because almost all the time OP's complaining about something being "OP" he's either mistaken or lying (by omission or otherwise).

FantasySniperJul 7, 20191 votes

Probably the fact that you had Conqueror's and he had Electrocute. Armor didn't do jip to Electrocute, then Zed's Ult basically let him deal a fraction of that damage again.

And no, that doesn't make it okay. Zed already exponentially scales off of just AD, he isn't supposed to totally ignore armor thanks to the fact that he can scale magic damage off of it too.

Over2000lbsJul 7, 20193 votes

Electrocute does adaptive though, which means it would have done physical damage in the case of Zed having it.

FantasySniperJul 11, 20191 votes

Whoopsie, thanks for pointing that out.

Then the more reasonable explanation would be his passive. At level 10, it would've dealth 8% max health magic damage, then another 2% physical from his ult. That would be nothing to scoff at, and it didn't require any item scaling to do.