So me and this adc (cait) dumpsterd a vayne

Keyoshi·Sep 28, 2015·4 votes·525 views

She was 1-5 and as soon as she got bork she made a come back and now shes 1v1ing our cait. who was 3-0 with 50 cs lead

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PowderkeggSep 28, 20155 votes

So you're upset that caitlyn, an early game lane bully with limited mobility who needs to chunk people out from range before they get close, wasn't able to 1v1 a vayne who's one of the best 1v1 duelist in the game and wasn't able to?

ModWulf HelhammerSep 28, 20154 votes

Ok? I completely dumpstered a Vayne as Quinn, and guess what? Despite getting first blood, she didn't come back, because I used that lead to help other lanes, continuing to increase my lead, as well as furthering my team in objectives. I could kill the Vayne before she even had a chance to react.

So to me this sounds like a personal problem with you guys not doing anything once you got that lead on the Vayne.

(and here's a link to the match: http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1961686032/205363278?tab=overview )

ModWulf HelhammerSep 28, 20151 votes

And why am I downvoted?

KeyoshiSep 28, 20151 votes

Cause your comment was irrelevant, I mean you must of been really really really really fed to be able to dumpster vayne that hard. Quinn is more of an assassin than an adc so i mean yeah.

ModWulf HelhammerSep 28, 20151 votes

My point was that Vayne got first blood, and it didn't matter. When she came back with her BoRK, it didn't matter. Because as much as she wanted to just free farm, and as much as she ended up being able to (kinda), it didn't matter because my team played better. We pushed objectives, we took more towers, and because of that, I was able to buy my core items, and easily 1v1ed their Vayne twice, killing her in seconds before she even had a chance to do anything. We didn't let the Vayne get to late game, because once I got ahead of her, we started rotating, taking dragons, taking down mid towers, so that we were able to close out the game before Vayne got scary. If you got ahead of the Vayne early, you should've done something more with that lead. Make it so that Vayne can't become the hypercarry she is, because if you do nothing, then it won't help at all, and she will reach late game, and you won't really be able to do anything.

luckmallorySep 28, 20151 votes

Go lolking that vayne. He is horrible on Vayne and has 3 ranked games on her.
That is more of the team being better than the other team not necessarily vayne.

Archon XSep 28, 20152 votes

as a support main, it really doesn't mean anything for an adc to 1v1 another adc, there's a reason why you have a fucking support

if vayne can't proc her silver bots she's pretty weak, how about you just avoid getting hit by her 3 times in a row?

Critmaster GarenSep 28, 20151 votes

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as a support main, it really doesn't mean anything for an adc to 1v1 another adc, there's a reason why you have a fucking support

if vayne can't proc her silver bots she's pretty weak, how about you just avoid getting hit by her 3 times in a row?

right, ill just disengage and run out of range, when she gets her second stack.

nvm, she just gained movement speed and tumbled after me.

point is, you cant really avoid vayne. youre either able to kill her, or she chases you down. and few champions in general are able to 1v1 her.

Archon XSep 28, 20151 votes

then don't 1v1 adcs? learn how to play with teammates

Critmaster GarenSep 28, 20151 votes

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then don't 1v1 adcs? learn how to play with teammates

a 2v2 vs vayne doesnt look much better. its basically the same deal with her hiding behind a support and still dealing more damage than you.

Archon XSep 28, 20151 votes

hide behind a support with 550 range

git gud

luckmallorySep 28, 20151 votes

Funny how when people use this argument with Garen you can't comprehend it at all and argue to the end of the world saying it isn't true, but somehow the same argument with vayne applies lol

Critmaster GarenSep 28, 20151 votes

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Funny how when people use this argument with Garen you can't comprehend it at all and argue to the end of the world saying it isn't true, but somehow the same argument with vayne applies lol

a 1v1 vs garen means you probably get shit on if you dont have strong kiting tools. so youre supposed to fight him with an ally.

the difference to vayne is, that a 2v2 vs garen is going to look much better for you than a 2v2 vs vayne. the more people are involved in a fight the easier it is to deal with him, as it gets easier to rotate cc against him. or just general aoe abilities with cc attached that are flying around, are slowing him down.

if garen 5v5's he has to get into the middle of things and it becomes increasingly difficult to actually get to his target to be effective. if vayne 5v5's she can keep kiting and positioning in spots where she deals with 1 enemy at a time. even in a 5v5 if she has halfway decent positioning she can 1v1 enemy champions one at a time due to her range and mobility tools.

she also scales much harder into lategame than him damage wise.

youre also forgetting that his ability to really 1v1 is restricted to the villain which he cant chose. yes, if the villain tries to fight him head on, he will most probably lose. but against anyone whos not the villain his ability to duel is mediocre and your chances look much better than trying to 1v1 a vayne.

vaynes ability to 1v1 is strong against pretty much anyone whos not an assassin right off the bat. garens ability to 1v1 is more restricted.

luckmallorySep 28, 20151 votes

This just simply is not true. It is not hard for Garen to get to a carry at all. I cannot tell you how many times i have been a decently fed ADC and my support explodes everything on Garen only to watch him sprint at me with DMP and Q active. Most ADC's only have one escape.

What it looks like on paper and how it actually happens are two different things. Also, Garen's late game is gated by the fact that he is a gigantic lane bully. Vayne is not. I can't think of many champions that can build 4 damage items and two tank items and be just as tanky as someone with 4 tank items while doing the damage of someone with 6 damage items.

Sure he is gated by him being melee, however vayne is gated by the fact that she has lower range than most ADC's and no abilities that go beyond her auto range

Critmaster GarenSep 28, 20151 votes

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This just simply is not true. It is not hard for Garen to get to a carry at all. I cannot tell you how many times i have been a decently fed ADC and my support explodes everything on Garen only to watch him sprint at me with DMP and Q active. Most ADC's only have one escape.

What it looks like on paper and how it actually happens are two different things. Also, Garen's late game is gated by the fact that he is a gigantic lane bully. Vayne is not. I can't think of many champions that can build 4 damage items and two tank items and be just as tanky as someone with 4 tank items while doing the damage of someone with 6 damage items.

Sure he is gated by him being melee, however vayne is gated by the fact that she has lower range than most ADC's and no abilities that go beyond her auto range

vayne doesnt have lower range than most adc. her range is 550. and working at 550 distance is not an impairment if youre can get into that range as easy has her and are stronger than the other guy once youre there.

she has exactly the same range as most adc. and she gets a knockback and a short cooldown mobility tool to work with.... stop perpetuating this myth.

unless you want to tell me champs like sivir are only carrying with their boomerangs instead of having to walk close. 90% of an adc damage comes from his auto attacks. that corki wont carry by spamming rockets. he works at the same distance as vayne.

and i dont know what youre doing, but between you and a support you should be able to handle garen on almost any adc.

the only way i can see you lose a 2v1 with your support, is if youre blowing everything on him at the same time instead of rotating cc and kiting and managing your resources.. most adc have 1 disengage, 1 flash, 1 cc ability and a support with at least 1 more cc ability by their side.

a lot of adc have dashes or jumps that allow them to move over walls and keep shooting when he comes close. while the garen has to run the entire way around.

in a teamfight he has to get past things like morgana snares, ekko q's, janna ults and various other forms of cc to get to his target. almost every champ has cc abilities in his kit today. the more champs are involved the more difficult it gets for him as these abilities can shut him out of a fight.

vayne has an easier time to isolate or chose a target due to range and mobility tools.

she might not be a lane bully, but that doesnt matter if she just needs 1 item to outscale her opponent even when hes ahead.

KeyoshiSep 28, 20151 votes

It does matter, If vayne can solo a fed adc then thats a problem, no other adc can do it, why should she?

Archon XSep 28, 20151 votes

because maybe adcs shouldn't solo other adcs there is no point, fed adcs should go assassinate mids and junglers and such, or wait until a teamfight when they will have protection and peel

luckmallorySep 28, 20151 votes

I can confirm at least 5 other ADC's that could duel cait when behind

Binxy PrimeSep 28, 20151 votes

Yup and you can't run from her, balanced.

WarlockLawSep 28, 20151 votes

If Cait had bought a banshee's she'd be able to 1v1 Vayne no problem even if Vayne had more damage items. That's what I do whenever I keep ending up in 1v1's vs Vayne as adcs, or frankly in general. Anyone with burst or high (non % HP based) dps can easily kill Vayne as long as Vayne can't stun them