In defense of all this CDR

Chaos Milk Tea·Jul 21, 2017·3 votes·328 views

When I first started playing in season (3? 4? Idk braum was the loading screen) cdr was hard to come by. I grabbed my main orianna pretty early on, and it was not always easy to get 40% cdr. After I picked up chalice what was I supposed to buy? Zhonyas was a damage item back then. Id usually cap out at 30 and be like "this is good".

Now its easy peezy lemon squeezey to hit 40% on any mage or tank. You might have a little less burst damage, but it usually feels worth it.

So is the game dumb now that we dont have to give anything up to get 40% cdr? I dont think so, because cdr is so abundant and you cap out at 40%. If I just buy all the free cdr I am wasting gold. Much like stacking the spellblade passive, it doesnt gain much.

I know most wont be satisfied with the idea, but too much cdr items does force you to make choices while building just like too little does.

9 Comments

Very Hard EngageJul 21, 20172 votes

CDR used to be a choice, either you wanted to recast, go oom a lot or throw out lots of cc. or you wanted burst and at most you had 10% cdr.

now its unheard of not to have 40% on whomever you play just for its sheer necessity.

Master SummonerJul 21, 20172 votes

i think cdr is a problem and should be looked at,

to much burst dmg and forced build paths

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ParoeJul 21, 20171 votes

If you have mana its easy. Manaless champions are actually up shit creek for CDR if theyre AP or non-tanks.

SchmidttyGamesJul 21, 20171 votes

One would argue that the following items sort of fill the gaps you're suggesting exist.

item 3071 item 3508 item 3025 item 3110 item 3115 item 3165

I can find one of these six items in almost every non-support build I use right now because of their additional CDR. It also speaks the power of Infinity Edge that Essence Reaver's 30% CDR Potential is not also a first/second purchase.

ParoeJul 21, 20171 votes

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One would argue that the following items sort of fill the gaps you're suggesting exist.

I can find one of these six items in almost every non-support build I use right now because of their additional CDR. It also speaks the power of Infinity Edge that Essence Reaver's 30% CDR Potential is not also a first/second purchase.

Black cleaver is usually core, essence reaver is crit, few mages actually desire nashors tooth, and the remaining three are mana items.

SchmidttyGamesJul 21, 20171 votes

Yep. You seemed worried about "manaless", "AP", and "non-Tank" champions not having CDR. Well, they have CDR. ^

Those are just the 20%ers. There are plenty more fitting your list above.

ParoeJul 21, 20171 votes

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Yep. You seemed worried about "manaless", "AP", and "non-Tank" champions not having CDR. Well, they have CDR. ^

Those are just the 20%ers. There are plenty more fitting your list above.

Not really? You can play the "it does exist" game but it doesnt change the fact that standard item builds for non-mana, non tank, non AP champions is fairly limited unless you want lethality, DD, or bad boots.

SchmidttyGamesJul 21, 20171 votes

If you can't find 40% CRD on any champion right now, that's more on you just being stubborn. Well over half of the "completed" items contain CDR. They have been making a concerted effort to put CDR on tank items recently. It's helped push tank/engage supports back into the meta.

You're hiding behind the phrase "standard item builds". That doesn't work. There is no such thing. If you want to do something, you can get it done with the items available.

Sire HippingtonJul 21, 20171 votes

The thing with to much cdr is that it doesn't create that much choices, since cdr costs very little gold so overcapping it is annoying but not much more really. But mostly, 40% cdr on everyone with no real tradeoff is a massive contribution to cc/mobillity and damage creep. Mages average with much mre dps now, same for ad-casters, everone can spam theri cc stuff and champs like riven jump around like super mario on speed. CDR is a very powerfull stat, and giving it away for free results in powercreeping.

I miss the days when i considered getting frozen heart on riven despite wasteing the mana because of cdr, when sorc boots were a choice because picking up cdr boots actually was an alternate option if you valued that cdr, I miss the days where going scaleing cdr glyphs+cdr boots was the way to go if you reall wanted 40% cdr for most champs...