My dumb thoughts: why I think that the tank update won't lead to a "tanky" meta.

Ralanr··4 votes·816 views

Edit: I meant avoid the frontline when talking about assassins. My apologies. I'd change it but I can't scroll through my post in edit mode on a phone.

I avoided the phrase "tank meta" because I don't think enough people know the full difference between a tank meta and a tanky meta (I myself don't really know, this is mainly a guess). In my mind, a tank meta is where you have three actual tanks (not bruisers building tanky) in the game, crowding out top, jg, and support respectively. In a "tanky" meta you get a bunch of champions in top, jg, and sometimes mid building tanky but are more or less meatwalls when compared to actual tanks (like if every jungler was building Cinderhulk but not everyone was an actual tank (Cinderhulk Nidalee, Cinderhulk Rengar, Cinderhulk Warwick) then it's more of a tanky meta (though tanks can be good in tanky metas).

Why I think the update won't push to this (and I'll probably be wrong) is that Riot wants to make defensive itemization significantly better for actual tanks (and juggernauts I guess) while making it not so great on non durable champions. So if it all works out then we won't see things like "Tank Yasuo" or "Tank Ekko" ever again because defensive items won't provide much for them.

Now obviously this can backfire horrifically and the first few weeks of the update will basically be a tank/tanky meta because everyone is going to trying out the new stuff (I'm probably going to experiment a lot with Sion and test out the reworked champions whenever I can. Hell I might even take Sion adc in norms because of it. I also imagine Darius being seen a lot (and banned a lot) because he loves fighting tanks.

Other champions I'd recommend playing if you hate tanks: Nocturne, Trundle, Fiora, etc. basically high dps champions that can afford to get durable through health items. Not sure if they'll be as good with defensive items after the update, but I have a feeling they'll be pretty decent and their mains will find good success.

Champions to not play: most assassins or burst champions. Unless you're confident you can take out the opposing squishy adc (which if you can four tanks, congratulations) you might as well bend over if you pick a burst assassin. But you could use this time to practice on how to avoid the backline.

These are just some thoughts I have about the update. Hopefully the negatives don't actually happen.

19 Comments

Big Lincoln4 votes

riot can try to eliminate tank/bruiser off-builds all they want, it's never going to completely disappear when everyone and their mother is a walking nuke these days

if they addressed that then it'd be extremely easy to make more champions willing to invest in glass builds, or at most 1 defensive item

wouldn't be surprised to start seeing bruiser assassins again tbh

Ralanr1 votes

Yeah damage creep is still a blunder. I don't think we'll see that decrease till the next preseason though.

TyrekGoldenspear1 votes

You forgot to mention Brand among the champs you take against tanks.

Other than that pretty good post.

Ralanr1 votes

I forgot mages in general honestly. Tanks are more common top than mid and people focus too much on the laning phase so I felt listing top laners would be better.

Penns1 votes

I hope there will be op tank items so that I can abuse tank Fizz ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

ForgiveColour1 votes

Its a tradition that rito will make tank items so op that everyone would be building it

Ralanr1 votes

For the first week probably. Considering their intention is to avoid that from happening I can expect Riot to at least push it so that it's unviable to build very tanky if you're not a tank.

ForgiveColour1 votes

Im pretty sure that was their intention for sunfire iceborn combo look how it turned out

Ralanr1 votes

How do you mean?

ForgiveColour1 votes

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Ralanr1 votes

I remember when sunfire+ibg was a basic must have combo in top, but I don't think Riot's intention at that time was for those items to be unviable on squishy champions. It wasn't their intention to have Ekko play as a tank either, so they did end up nerfing him.

From what I understand, Riot is trying to make tank items actually be a worse purchase for anyone that isn't a tank. Probably by reducing the stats on tank items while buffing the base stats of tanks in general.

Tychusfindlay9191 votes

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For the first week probably. Considering their intention is to avoid that from happening I can expect Riot to at least push it so that it's unviable to build very tanky if you're not a tank.

Or a juggernaut, riot made it very clear in the juggy update that we were entitled to tank items just as much as tanks are.

Ralanr1 votes

Yup. Both tanks and juggernauts will probably have their base stats and base scalings tweaked.

Tychusfindlay9192 votes

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Yup. Both tanks and juggernauts will probably have their base stats and base scalings tweaked.

Tanks moreso than juggernauts TBH. With the exception of the kaiser, juggies already have stellar base stats.

Tank items that have scalings based on base stats could fuck over shit-tier base stat tanks like sion and shen if they dont get number tweaks.

Ralanr1 votes

Yeah, makes me worried for what kind of tweaks they'll give Sion's bases and how it'll effect him. Also more base stat reliance means that stat nerfs hurt even more.

Ravenhale1 votes

Cinder/Mallet Nidalee is the only way to build her if you can't play assassins. ^_^

warpenguin5551 votes

DON'T KILL MY DREAMS DAMMIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

but seriously the last time this game was fun was right when the cinderhulk meta was ending. IF a tank meta comes its probably the best chance the game has of actually being somewhat fun again.

Ralanr1 votes

I actually like seeing Mundo die, so...

ZT Xperimentor1 votes

I doubt it'll become a tank meta since riot has repeatedly mentioned hating tanks over the years. But an easy solution for abuse cases like tanky-assassins, is to drop their bases and raise their ratios; so they have to build damage to deal significant damage, like other carries.

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