PSA: Cleaver is meant for Riven

Asayake 5150glow·Feb 24, 2017·2 votes·353 views

"While The Black Cleaver is meant for fighters like Darius and skirmishers like Fiora..."

That's for everyone saying Riven is going too/is supposed to be hurt by the cleaver changes.

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Critmaster GarenFeb 24, 20172 votes

and warmogs is an item for tanks, and juggernauts.

its still garbage as a first item. does riven not use cleaver anymore? no. she just builds it as her second item instead of her first item now.

Asayake 5150glowFeb 24, 20171 votes

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and warmogs is an item for tanks, and juggernauts.

its still garbage as a first item. does riven not use cleaver anymore? no. she just builds it as her second item instead of her first item now.

From what I've heard she still builds it first, but just gets a Caulfields first back for later.

FTWolfFeb 24, 20171 votes

It doesn't change the fact that the changes still hurt, now until you get your full 3k gold for the item you're stuck on a phage for the majority and have only 15 extra ad until the item is completed.

Asayake 5150glowFeb 24, 20171 votes

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It doesn't change the fact that the changes still hurt, now until you get your full 3k gold for the item you're stuck on a phage for the majority and have only 15 extra ad until the item is completed.

Apparently we're supposed to go Caulfieds - Kindlegem - Cleaver. Getting 20% CDR from 2k gold of items without delaying boots or wasting gold sounds pretty good, honestly. That health doesn't hurt either - it means we aren't as squishy when we go in, and can afford to do a full combo against things we might not have been able to before.

FTWolfFeb 25, 20171 votes

Yea but You usually wanted to finish a cleaver as fast as possible in some matchups like darius now its going to be a little harder

MordepoolFeb 24, 20171 votes

Some champions get indirect nerfs from core items. Most don't get compensated. See boots of swiftness, Rylais, Gunblade, Protobelt. Mordekaiser winrate has dropped by 5% in all Elos since Rylais. No compensation. So don't expect anything

Asayake 5150glowFeb 24, 20171 votes

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Some champions get indirect nerfs from core items. Most don't get compensated. See boots of swiftness, Rylais, Gunblade, Protobelt. Mordekaiser winrate has dropped by 5% in all Elos since Rylais. No compensation. So don't expect anything

Not looking for anything. Hell, on /r/rivenmains they think the change is good because a lot of them rushed Lucidity boots for early CDR, and now the Kindlegem means they don't have to do that anymore.