Boards›Gameplay

@Riot Read my first time experience of Cassiopeia as of today?

4NoxiousHours··13 votes·1,322 views

I main Mid lane and have played various of Mid lane champions. (Not on this account) I wanted to try out a champion that I rarely see so I chose Cassiopeia. I read the number one popular guide for her and followed it through.

It's true that she's super difficult to play and will take so much time to master and understand her but I didn't really enjoy my experience compared to any other difficult champions that I've played.

My fingers feel so drained out because it requires BOTH excessive mouse clicking and key tapping. (yes like every other champion requires both but this one particular required A LOT of effort and energy)

What I liked about Cassiopeia is her concept, that she's a snake and super venomous and very deadly. That's honestly the only thing I like about her...

Her kit is very awful, I don't like the idea of relying so much on her E to do everything. Her Q and W are just there to inflict poison not damage. Compared to brand his fire hurts more than her poison. Another thing that was awful is her Mana, I can't experiment with her because she is craving for that Tear item. All her skills increases her mana cost, spamming her E like a machine gun is so dumb im sorry lol but she's a snake not a machine gun lol

I'll admit she does heavy damage but all it takes is one stun to shut her down. I know this champion got a semi-rework but she needs to be fixed properly between her kit and mana. Her passive is pretty cool it reminds me of Nasus that you are stacking but idk... I feel like that's just there for show than anything. I'm not really part of the "Cassiopeia group" where people go on strike over her changes but I feel she needs a new kit and visual like Fiora. Majority might disagree but I just don't see how this champion can be fixed by just numbers. When numbers are changed on an item, they change the champion itself.

TLDR; Cassiopeia is mana hungry as hell and the whole concept of Q + E + E + E is horrible and puts my hand in stress -_-

https://camo.nulled.io/?url=http://i.imgur.com/ZETbU21.png

19 Comments

Canastus11 votes

She definitely needs another rework (heck, make it a relaunch while we're at it), the first one felt extremely rushed and sloppy - it's by far the worst of its kind with the guy in charge of the project literally ignoring all feedback and forcing this abomination through.

Since the initial concept was a horrific failure (sub 30% winrate during patch 4.16) they had to severely buff some of her numbers to make her heavily neutered kit work. And the moment she saw competitive play she was gutted into unviability again, left to rot and remain irrelevant for the rest of season 5.

Pre-season comes around and she's worse off than ever with the changes to itemization, vision, masteries and so on hitting her harder than some other champions. And still no compensation buffs to her mana-regen, no reversal on those sustain-nerfs, simply nothing.

She's an extremely unrewarding champion to play as and Riot couldn't care less about her pitiful state as long as her name isn't Zed, Riven, Fizz or Ahri - basically anyone who's considered popular. She's pretty much the Urgot of midlane.

4NoxiousHours1 votes

{quoted}

She definitely needs another rework (heck, make it a relaunch while we're at it), the first one felt extremely rushed and sloppy - it's by far the worst of its kind with the guy in charge of the project literally ignoring all feedback and forcing this abomination through.

Since the initial concept was a horrific failure (sub 30% winrate during patch 4.16) they had to severely buff some of her numbers to make her heavily neutered kit work. And the moment she saw competitive play she was gutted into unviability again, left to rot and remain irrelevant for the rest of season 5.

Pre-season comes around and she's worse off than ever with the changes to itemization, vision, masteries and so on hitting her harder than some other champions. And still no compensation buffs to her mana-regen, no reversal on those sustain-nerfs, simply nothing.

She's an extremely unrewarding champion to play as and Riot couldn't care less about her pitiful state as long as her name isn't Zed, Riven, Fizz or Ahri - basically anyone who's considered popular. She's pretty much the Urgot of midlane.

I think his name was Riot Vesh or something. I'm not gonna bash at him and say how horrible he is, sometimes mistakes happen and I guess Cassiopeia became the mistake. I'm not sure how much experience Vesh has when it comes to being a game play designer but I believe Cassiopeia was one of those champions that wasn't in his level to work on, only because of how difficult Cassiopeia is made to be. I'm sure Riot Vesh is a good guy and probably doesn't want to admit his mistakes because it will just become a huge controversial debate if he wants to pitch in another champion's kit.

Personally I would like CertainlyT and Meddler to be the ones who can rework Cassiopeia only because they have designed very successful champions. Some champions that certainlyT and someone else made need some work because they are outdated like for example Zyra. Other champions that meddler made such as Lissandra and Ziggs need help with numbers and possible passive changes (for Lissandra)

I highly doubt they will want to do any works with Cassiopeia only because of the schedule they are making for next year like for example they will be doing, Shen, Taric, Yorick, Assassin Class, etc but HOPEFULLY at least by August of 2017 they will start working on Cassiopeia again.

Canastus3 votes

Stashu was the one responsible for that terrible rework. Soon afterwards he ditched her in favor of Fiora and she sure as hell turned out a lot better than Cass, at least in terms of viability. It's quite disrespectful how he never had the decency to do the same for Cass.

And I refuse to wait until 2017, they undeniably fucked up with the Cass rework and now they need to start taking some responsibility. No more delays, she's already as bad as Urgot.

4NoxiousHours1 votes

{quoted}

Stashu was the one responsible for that terrible rework. Soon afterwards he ditched her in favor of Fiora and she sure as hell turned out a lot better than Cass, at least in terms of viability. It's quite disrespectful how he never had the decency to do the same for Cass.

And I refuse to wait until 2017, they undeniably fucked up with the Cass rework and now they need to start taking some responsibility. No more delays, she's already as bad as Urgot.

Oh it was Stashu? then Riot Vesh (if he exist) sorry I threw your name under the bus >.>

It's true that Cass is like the urgot for mid lane and I can sense the energy and hatred you guys are presenting with your words as I read them. But I actually do feel sympathy over the whole " I left Cass, good bye "

It feels like a really sad love story with no happy ending :( I also noticed that Cassiopeia is one of the female champions that don't get much attention what so ever regarding fan arts, fan concepts, and skin ideas. She also hasn't gotten a skin FOR YEARS.

I guess people really hate snakes over spiders lol Elise

Malicious Metal7 votes

She literally is the Urgot of Midlane.

Urgot hits E-> QQQQQQ Cassio hits Q/w----> EEEEEEEEEE

Shac Norris1 votes

Cass's Q hurts like a bitch..

A Miss Fortune1 votes

Teeter Dance1 votes

I posted this in another thread, but Id love to see Miasma have a smaller initial cast, but grow bigger than it currently does and last just a bit longer. Right now it seems to not change in size enough to seem like an impactful feature (unless the enemy is SERIOUSLY not paying attention.)

I would also love to see the poison damage amp on E not only retained, but increased drastically at the cost of most of its base damage. This would make it effective to really only hit E twice on a poisoned enemy before moving to another target (If they added minion execute damage to it to retain her early farming pattern) and would transition her damage to a combo, but having the source of it be her poison.

Eeyore1 votes

I wonder if they could just make Twin Fang an auto-attack modifier and just have her basic attacks against Poisoned Targets do all the bonus crap. Not because I'm saying it's the best direction - but if APM are truly an issue, this would reduce some of those actions. Although I find attacks to be much less responsive than targeted abilities - not sure if this is an issue with how attacks are coded though.

4NoxiousHours1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Empty Lord,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wxOJOf8l,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2015-12-13T12:34:08.005+0000)

I wonder if they could just make Twin Fang an auto-attack modifier and just have her basic attacks against Poisoned Targets do all the bonus crap. Not because I'm saying it's the best direction - but if APM are truly an issue, this would reduce some of those actions. Although I find attacks to be much less responsive than targeted abilities - not sure if this is an issue with how attacks are coded though.

I really hate Cassiopeia's auto attack, it looks like a green strip of bacon flying in the air lol Her E would make so much more sense as her auto attack lol

HeadHonchkrow1 votes

puts my hand in stress

Just like Kalista

Reformed Dunni1 votes

What do people want in her kit anyways? Everyone else has different ideas and if Riot does change there's a high chance that people will complain even more. Unpopular opinion, I like her in this state and I don't think she's a primary DoT mage (apparently that's what everyone wants) she's kind of like a sustained ap caster or as I call it an ap adc. She's difficult to play and requires great positioning and mechanical skill to play. RAIN DOWN THE DOWNVOTES ON ME! Btw if you could change her what would you change about her?

4NoxiousHours3 votes

{quoted}

What do people want in her kit anyways? Everyone else has different ideas and if Riot does change there's a high chance that people will complain even more. Unpopular opinion, I like her in this state and I don't think she's a primary DoT mage (apparently that's what everyone wants) she's kind of like a sustained ap caster or as I call it an ap adc. She's difficult to play and requires great positioning and mechanical skill to play. RAIN DOWN THE DOWNVOTES ON ME! Btw if you could change her what would you change about her?

This is what I remembered from the events that happened to Cassiopeia. Riot pitched in to announce they will work on Cassiopeia, some people were happy others were not. So a Rioter who was responsible for it all, asked for suggestion on to improve Cassiopeia.

After that event, Riot released the "new" cassiopeia and it turned out that the Rioter didn't take any of the suggestion and did his own thing with her, so the people who were happy about Cass getting a change were angry and the people who were not happy about the change got even more angry and started to main a different champion.

Then the Rioter came back to "fix" the issue and asked for suggestions AGAIN, and suddenly they released a patch where he didn't take any of the suggestions AGAIN and did it his way AGAIN and everyone went chaotic for MONTHS. He then disappeared and left her how she is.

Cassiopeia's kit and visual became horrible. Your comment says " I like her in this state and I don't think she's a primary DoT mage (apparently that's what everyone wants) she's kind of like a sustained ap caster or as I call it an ap adc. She's difficult to play and requires great positioning and mechanical skill to play. "

You just pointed out the flaw about her saying " I call it an AP ADC" She's not an AP ADC she's a MAGE mid laner who shouldn't rely so much on positioning, spamming, excessive clicking all at once. lol

Reformed Dunni1 votes

{quoted}

This is what I remembered from the events that happened to Cassiopeia. Riot pitched in to announce they will work on Cassiopeia, some people were happy others were not. So a Rioter who was responsible for it all, asked for suggestion on to improve Cassiopeia.

After that event, Riot released the "new" cassiopeia and it turned out that the Rioter didn't take any of the suggestion and did his own thing with her, so the people who were happy about Cass getting a change were angry and the people who were not happy about the change got even more angry and started to main a different champion.

Then the Rioter came back to "fix" the issue and asked for suggestions AGAIN, and suddenly they released a patch where he didn't take any of the suggestions AGAIN and did it his way AGAIN and everyone went chaotic for MONTHS. He then disappeared and left her how she is.

Cassiopeia's kit and visual became horrible. Your comment says " I like her in this state and I don't think she's a primary DoT mage (apparently that's what everyone wants) she's kind of like a sustained ap caster or as I call it an ap adc. She's difficult to play and requires great positioning and mechanical skill to play. "

You just pointed out the flaw about her saying " I call it an AP ADC" She's not an AP ADC she's a MAGE mid laner who shouldn't rely so much on positioning, spamming, excessive clicking all at once. lol

So what would you suggest as a fix? and I can agree that she shouldn't really on spamming and excessive clicking but positioning is what all immobile mages deal with, you want her to have a dash? lol

4NoxiousHours1 votes

{quoted}

So what would you suggest as a fix? and I can agree that she shouldn't really on spamming and excessive clicking but positioning is what all immobile mages deal with, you want her to have a dash? lol

I'm not a cass main but I'll answer that question on a thread.

Captain Aishi1 votes

i personally suggest that they implement my idea completely instead of only half of it (the E amplification of poison damage was my suggestion, but it also involved not having a cap on the stacks of damage amp to her poisons, and removing the E reset instead, so she would truly be a ramping up poison mage)

http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=4851396&page=210

that's my original post on the subject

4NoxiousHours1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Captain Aishi,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wxOJOf8l,comment-id=0006000000000001,timestamp=2015-12-14T05:34:36.363+0000)

i personally suggest that they implement my idea completely instead of only half of it (the E amplification of poison damage was my suggestion, but it also involved not having a cap on the stacks of damage amp to her poisons, and removing the E reset instead, so she would truly be a ramping up poison mage)

http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=4851396&page=210

that's my original post on the subject

When I saw the whole stacking stuff I thought she was gonna be like Nasus where her E will stack up and become very powerful lol but then I realized it's just her passive and that I'm getting free stacks every 6 seconds I think? I find the entire kit concept to be in great loss.

The Queen Viper1 votes

{quoted}

What do people want in her kit anyways? ... Btw if you could change her what would you change about her?

Probably something like a more balanced kit, which is not too X ability-centric.

Currently all the dmg Cass has is on her E, and like said earlier, her Q and W are there only to setup the E... they are rather useless on their own.

For example, they could take all the dmg out of her W (shift it to her Q instead), but make the slow hit really hard with a decay. So W would be pure utility, and Q would get more punch.

Nagma1 votes

yeah.. her poison sucks , told riot 1000000000000000 times about it .. still nothing

More from Gameplay

3 Refunds per season, upvote if you want 3 refunds per season.
Gameplay764 comments
7,167
votes
3 Refunds per season, upvote if you want 3 refunds per season.
Gameplay156 comments
3,510
votes
UPVOTE FOR URF
Gameplay606 comments
2,440
votes
Yes plz.
Gameplay456 comments
1,721
votes
3 Refunds per season, up vote if you want 3 refunds per season.
Gameplay114 comments
1,716
votes
When is ANYONE at riot going to address the awful new player experience?
Gameplay634 comments
1,383
votes

More by 4NoxiousHours

I am begging for that Red Riding Kindred Skin
Concepts & Creations61 comments
193
votes
I want to apologize to all Support Mains out there
Gameplay186 comments
182
votes
Heart Seeker Akali, I REALLY love the clothing.
Concepts & Creations122 comments
182
votes
WOW PLEASE RIOT PLEASE! THIS DIANA SKIN OMG!
Concepts & Creations79 comments
179
votes
I made a new account to experience League Of Legends all over again
Gameplay63 comments
109
votes
I really miss Zyra as a mid lane champion
Gameplay66 comments
84
votes