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I Think it's Time This Got Addressed by Riot.

blacknerdtaku··6 votes·898 views

Riot, DCs in games can happen. I understand that they happen. But do you know what's unfair? letting the whole team fully suffer the consequences because of a DC that is fully out of anybody's control from the very START OF THE GAME.

Riot, your client is notorious for being Buggy, and even crashing in the loading screen, sometimes it wont even show it. Maybe your allies' internet cut off or something before the game started. And it makes the game all the more ridiculous to try to win a 4 v 5 from the start. Yes, it's possible, It's also not likely. If this game's ranked matchmaking is doing it's job, where we are put with people of equal skill then this 4 v 5 is a huge issue. even if you're a somewhat better player than most in your league, that disadvantage in numbers just gives more room for things to be pushed. less prescience on the map and in teamfights.

Hell it's easily possible to throw because you suddenly get stuck in a 4 v 5 all because of that sudden lack of pressure and the loss of a crucial role.

what I'm Saying here is.. it's unfair to be fully Punished because one guy's game fucked up before it even Began. I understand how infuriating it is to be the guy who bugs out. I understand there are some small concerns about abuse, but you cant be forced into abusing this system if you don't start the game to begin with.

In LCS Riot will stop a game in a heart beat if one man so much as does +1 damage more than they're supposed to... They sure as hell wouldn't allow 4 v 5 scenarios. why? because it's "unfair to the other 9 players". It's been bought up and discussed Many times. but if somebody doesn't connect from the get go, then punish them with LP loss, not us on the team.

I don't mind losing in a Bad game. but that's only if I'm aware of the factors that i did to contribute. being stuck in a fully unfair 4 v 5 scenario all game or even the first half only to get punished for it is fucking ridiculous. The dude returns 15 minutes in? Thats nice. hes easily able to get killed by the now level 9 everyone else.

For the Love of god and all that is Holy implement something for this. DOTA does it. Riot seems so focused on outdoing them with game mechanics, it seems they completely forgot about everything else - including Player Experience.

This hurts for everyone ive discussed this Topic to, and people on the boards Bronze to Challenger.

**If that person is gone for the first 10 minutes, nullify the game Allow us to leave and get loss prevented plus Half LP for the enemy, please. the guy who DCs also gets loss prevented the first time, after that, he loses half, then full, then x2 LP resetting if no early DCs after 3 months. **

1: it helps in avoiding tilts knowing that you wont be punished for something out of anybody's control. and if it's a one time occurrence its not punishing to the person who DCed 2: it means we can get on to playing a new game sooner. 3: it actively punishes frequent Disconnects so you know not to queue for ranked if you genuinely have a shitty PC or Internet.

There, everyone happy.

16 Comments

Lime Josh3 votes

makes me 2 much sense and is too logical. Riot will never even look @ this. also idk why they even have a "poll" feature because they never look @ them. Old forums had numerous threads with thousands of votes/view/comments on changing the 3s map back to the old map and giving us draft 3s in ANY mode other then the freaking blind pick, yet riot didn't even post on it one time, not ONCE.

blacknerdtaku2 votes

Then it's up to us to MAKE them reply. Spread threads like this around. and make them the most upvoted... RIto will eventually have to respond, or risk losing players. Don't think they will do whatever they want to do... they are a company, and we as a consumer are responsible for their wallets, F2P be damned. even they aren't immune to decline.

Did we not pressure them Into bring Urf Back? did we not pressure them to bring back that Damage number on Smite?

Rito needs a little reminder that Player experience is key, not just who can throw the flashiest, most explosive fart on the battlefield.

Scrambled Anivia2 votes

i don't know why, but people seem to instantly throw out the fact some people use a Happy meal connection. On their windows 2000 desktop. its always riots servers. clearly.

deal with the loss (or win if you didn't instantly give up.) and move on to the next game.

Kurzy1 votes

haha ive even read this because i dont care one bit. and do you know why Dorothy. Its because your just a typical bronze 5 player who complains about everything. well look. grow a pair. learn the game and then maybe we ( the people who actually just play for fun ) can finally get some peace and quiet for once instead of having to look at this board and see a million of these posts to riot which im gona let you in on a little secret to you Dorothy.

THEY DONT READ THEM.

Lime Josh3 votes

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haha ive even read this because i dont care one bit. and do you know why Dorothy. Its because your just a typical bronze 5 player who complains about everything. well look. grow a pair. learn the game and then maybe we ( the people who actually just play for fun ) can finally get some peace and quiet for once instead of having to look at this board and see a million of these posts to riot which im gona let you in on a little secret to you Dorothy.

THEY DONT READ THEM.

dear todo: pls explain how getting "good" can somehow change the outcome of a TEAM game where 1/5th of your team IS NOT CONNECTED SINCE CHAMPION SELECT. and if people are still complaining about a topic what does that tell you smart ass? ITS STILL NOT FIXED AND IS STILL A PROBLEM

Kurzy2 votes

thats because people like you make it a problem

blacknerdtaku3 votes

So it's people like US that make it a problem eh?

Ok, if that's the case why does Riot Punish AFKers in the first place? If we were to abide by your sense of logic (I.E. getting gud will nullify the DC) then there is no reason to punish them right? do you feel the same about 3 v 5 games? that Getting Gud will let you 1 v 5 the enemy team regularly? and it's because we're Bronze that we cant?

Wasnt it Riot themselves who said that the DC/AFK was unfair to the other 9 players? that's a direct quote. in defense of their shitty leaver buster system currently in place. so they have acknowledged it being unfair - but still haven't implemented a system to help the people it's unfair to.

~No, it's ok to only punish the person responsible... those noobs who dont want to be punished for being in an unfair 4 v 5 for 20 or more minutes are just complainer n00bs, AMIRITE? Bravo! Bravo!

IDC what league you're in. And it shouldnt matter what leauge you're in to see this issue. you dont disregard player concerns because they're a low level. This is me addressing a system most -** REGARDLESS OF TIER** - fully agree with is flawed, and is handled better by almost every other company.

get your BS out of here.

Kurzy1 votes

yawn... i had to say that because you cant actually hear me yawning whilst i read this.

blacknerdtaku2 votes

So no actual argument against it then?

KK.

you have nothing to say or add, so i will kindly ask you to GTFO.

Kurzy1 votes

ohh well someone has an attitude.. look Debbie i dont actually care what riot said. this post is just another thing that riot will look at and say.. oh well we dont care. so stop crying like little girls. grow a pair and shut the hell up because im sick of coming on this website to hear people like you complain about this game.

manliestdino4 votes

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haha ive even read this because i dont care one bit. and do you know why Dorothy. Its because your just a typical bronze 5 player who complains about everything. well look. grow a pair. learn the game and then maybe we ( the people who actually just play for fun ) can finally get some peace and quiet for once instead of having to look at this board and see a million of these posts to riot which im gona let you in on a little secret to you Dorothy.

THEY DONT READ THEM.

The funny thing is, you're in the same elo as me. Bronze.

Kurzy1 votes

well heres the big scoop there sally. I dont care. i play this game for fun not to get to challenger

Daxterr1 votes

I think this should apply if its a promotion series like bronze to silver etc. If someone is 0/0/0 with 0 farm it should be loss prevented and not count towards promo games.

powerbats1 votes

Riot isn't going to do this and people need to stop asking for it especially the same poster that spams these threads ( you know who you are). The difference with LCS is that if there's an issue everyone is there and it's easily seen whereas someone afking/leaving/dcing w/e isn't. Riot has no way of knowing what happened and for all they know you or the person could've unplugged their router/ethernet cord etc.

It's too easy to abuse, don't like the team comp/picks/ have someone bai or rage at someone till they leave, don't like how the game is going same. This isn't ever going to happen since as posted above it's too easy to abuse and Riot has stated quite clearly it's not going to happen.

If it's an issue with their servers going bonkers then they'll do loss forgiven but they can't police everyones connection to try and decipher what's going on. Also how many wins have you gotten by someone on the other team having issues? Are you prepared to give back all those wins for all the times it happened to someone else?

blacknerdtaku1 votes

I don't even...

It's too easy to abuse, don't like the team comp/picks/ have someone bai or rage at someone till they leave,

if somebody raged somebody to dodging then that means they're a toxic ass and would get reported at the end of game screen anyway. secondly any dodging would happen before the game even starts. why would you leave during the loading screen? that just means you have to wait upwards of 10+ minutes before you can get into another match. thirdly while on a slightly unrelated note its not that hard for riot to pull up pregame logs.. or at least there's no reason they shouldn't be able to.

the pros of this system far outweigh the minimal at best cons.

Also how many wins have you gotten by someone on the other team having issues? Are you prepared to give back all those wins for all the times it happened to someone else?

Strawman: Hypothetically speaking, just because people dont DC, doesnt mean other factors wont contribute to a win or a loss. Currently this system gives full LP for a game you didnt fairly win. Are you upset when you get half LP for a loss forgiven team? This makes literally no sense. that's like you saying riot shouldn't punish people who troll and feed because I've gotten wins with that as often as Ive gotten losses. why should the people in the game continue to get punished because some dude has shitty internet. As ive said, this is a system that encourages people to not Disconnect. it's not going to be too tough on first time offenders but after that you're getting punished, harder and harder with each DC.

powerbats1 votes

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I don't even...

if somebody raged somebody to dodging then that means they're a toxic ass and would get reported at the end of game screen anyway. secondly any dodging would happen before the game even starts. why would you leave during the loading screen? that just means you have to wait upwards of 10+ minutes before you can get into another match. thirdly while on a slightly unrelated note its not that hard for riot to pull up pregame logs.. or at least there's no reason they shouldn't be able to.

the pros of this system far outweigh the minimal at best cons.

Strawman: Hypothetically speaking, just because people dont DC, doesnt mean other factors wont contribute to a win or a loss. Currently this system gives full LP for a game you didnt fairly win. Are you upset when you get half LP for a loss forgiven team? This makes literally no sense. that's like you saying riot shouldn't punish people who troll and feed because I've gotten wins with that as often as Ive gotten losses. why should the people in the game continue to get punished because some dude has shitty internet. As ive said, this is a system that encourages people to not Disconnect. it's not going to be too tough on first time offenders but after that you're getting punished, harder and harder with each DC.

Let me be more blunt, it's not going to happen since Riot's already said it's not going to happen and your so called pro's don't outweigh the cons as discussed before. Your proposal is no different than every other iteration of the same idea that's been bandied about and Riot has said no very single time because it won't work. How hard is that to understand when Riot who has all the data and everything else behind the scenes and knows all the pro's and the cons says no?

Yet it's always the same my idea will work and it will because i say it will work. That's confirmation bias and ego at it's finest and it's why it won't work because you don't know it will work because you don't have all the facts or all the data. If you think it's such a great idea then why hasn't it happened before? Have you or any of you even bothered going back and looking at Riot's responses on why they haven't done this and why it won't work yet? No of course you haven't because it's too easy to sit there and not actually research it and instead proclaim my idea is foolproof.

History is full of great ideas and their creators who proclaimed their idea was great and yet when it was researched properly they were found out to be not so great ideas after all. you're probably too young to remember the Edsel disaster which is a prime example of this. there's countless others and far too many to post here but they all share the same common theme. They were great sounding ideas on paper or soundbites but absolute failures or bad ideas.

Why don't you and the rest that think this is such a great idea go back and read the hundreds of threads just like this with all the people claiming the exact same thing and read Riot's responses detailing why it wouldn't work. In almost every case the op when confronted with proof that their idea was flawed or wouldn't work the way they said it would claimed their idea would work because they said it would and that Riot was wrong.

When you and the rest of you have done that come back with counters to how you'll overcome riot's objections and reasons for why it won't work. Because until then you're not going to convince anyone that knows better you're idea is any better than the hundreds before you that've already been shown to be unworkable. So far I've seen nothing that shows you've done the research on how to overcome Riot's objections or how to actually make this functional in relation to their concerns.

So go and do some research on what's been posted already and the cons Riot's posted and show how each thing can be overcome point by point, don't say that it's because you're idea will work. Be extremely detailed as if you were writing this for a scientific peer reviewed document because that's what will get Riot's attention and their response. You want to show them your idea will work then present actual data showing it will work not your claim that it will.

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