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Aphelios is the protagonist of his own game

blacknerdtaku·1/6/2020, 7:38:48 AM·82 votes·17,988 views

I've been thinking and i finally figured out why Aphelios is so egregious. His kit is so outlandishly overloaded that he legitimately feels like the end-game, fully leveled up hero of an isometric adventure game of some sort.. And even in that sort of game he should have to grind to get all the different guns and damage he has.

His HUD is specialized he can't even use the LoL hud. His damage is ridiculous. He's as complex as Spiderman PS4. Sure you may die a bit when you play your first few times, but it's not that he's "hard to play" it's that he has a series of mechanics that you have to get a feel for, which can be done in all of 5 games. His ratios are too high. Trading with him is infuriating, and even when i picked him up for 3 games I honest to god didn't even notice my spells had mana costs because it was never a problem in lane despite me spamming abilities.

he has so many options to deal with so many situations. It's like Riot (CertainlyT) took all the criticisms of "Overloaded kits" And cranked it up to 11. "ludicrous speed." I legitimately think Aphelios needs to be scrapped and reworked. His current form should just be it's own game or something

151 Comments

Nithke1/6/2020, 4:50:31 PM62 votes

CertainlyT shouldn't be allowed to design champions

OHminus1/6/2020, 4:47:45 PM23 votes

Yes, because (guess who?) designed him?

Everyone's favorite Yasuo/Zoe/Akali designer :)

Oleandervine1/6/2020, 3:11:29 PM18 votes

I agree with this post. Aphelios feels wrong for this game, and his sheer number of capabilities he has is too much to be present on a single character.

FSRER1/6/2020, 4:54:35 PM14 votes

Just like every single champion CertainlyT has been a part of, as you already said, is like he is playing his own game. Kits so overloaded with useless additions which serve only the purpose of making the champion easier to play and harder to deal with. I don't know why he was allowed to create such designs for so long that all have created multiple balancing problems. If I was in charge over there and actually gave half a fudge about the game (unlike current balance team), after seeing how his first designs messed the game so much and for so long, he would have taken the boot as soon as possible

Metal Janna1/6/2020, 3:02:35 PM6 votes

Riot be like:

What's that? You want to see an Aphelios dungeon crawler?

(To be honest i'm really hyped to see Riot's attempt at a dungeon crawler. No matter which champs they put in as playable classes it should be good for a few hours of fun as I love dungeon crawlers in general.)

Caytheles1/7/2020, 8:06:14 AM5 votes

To top it all off, his lore, and everything about his "Sister" and all that just doesnt mesh with the gameplay.

Take a look at Jhin, his story completely fits with his gameplay, theres a theme to it, hes a mercenery sniper. Lucian, Dualwielding Ghoul killing gunslinger. Xayah, it explains her ability to throw hardened feathers, it fits the bird thematic, Jinx, Rush and Demolition.

Then theres Aphelios.... who in his whole kit none of his guns are explained, how is he able to use them? and wtf is his pourpose.

I too think that he should just be scrapped.

GelsominoKiller1/6/2020, 8:14:14 PM5 votes

Today I just witnessed Shiphtur sieging as Ziggs at 75% hp being ulted at max range by Aphelios.

He got marked, autoed at 3000 range with chakram, suffered 1400 damage and died.

After the game he had to review the clip. Literally ult+auto, so far that there can't even be an interaction.

I think Aphelios is simply detrimental for the game. He has cool combos, but he's still fundamentally ranged Udyr, so he adds very little of unique in terms of gameplay. On the other hand, he's a champion whose sole design inspiration is being superior to other champions, more complex than other champions, having more stuff than other champions.

hhaavviikk1/7/2020, 4:30:18 PM4 votes

CertainlyT champions al have the same problem, fun to play as, fucking infuriating to play against, he seems to design champions with only 1 goal in mind, that is making the champion fun to play as, and that's why so many people hate his champions, person playing his champions are having a hell of a time the person playing against his champions are pulling their fucking hairs out in frustration.

TheÐarkMagician1/7/2020, 5:13:01 PM4 votes

Seriously guys. He is immobile... Gank him. Leona him. Thresh him. Why is he being made out to be a god?

Waka FIocka1/7/2020, 2:29:04 AM4 votes

yep.... not sure why these snowflake, minimal outplay-potential champions are in a strategy oriented moba. been saying this for a while about Yasuo and Akali before Aphelios release. Aphelios has too many globals he can spam. he swaps ranges and attack speeds on the fly. how did riot expect him to be fair to lane against? because rng? it's not THAT rng when he can build crit/aspd and cycle through guns in no time

item 3085 interaction with his kit is fucking nuts too.

honestly if I could change anything in this game by some league genie it would be to heavily tone down Yasuo and Aphelios. It sucks playing lane against a Yasuo. He punishes everything, zips around, has knockup ranged cc, shields, ignores your armor if you even try to build against him properly, doesn't take any harass from turret for some reason if he dives with R, and his windwall invalidates entire ultimates + kits of many champs (ahri, lux, etc).

Playing against a champion (with no lead, no kills, not fed at all) that requires you to be a mile away from your own wave/lane is frustrating. champs like this just shouldn't exist.

ModAcademy Kayn1/6/2020, 9:19:14 PM3 votes

His damage is the same as any Draven or Jinx, both immobile carries who require to be protected. The only difference, is that his strengths switch from time to time. Sometimes he has the strength of Jinx with AOE damage, sometimes he has the strength of Caitlyn with Range, Draven with pure damage and lifestealing from it, Ashe with slows/utlity, with his only real unique strength being his chakram.

He's really not that complex either. He's a little deeper, because you need to actually think about the weapons you currently have/combinations you have, but people like Azir or Ivern are far more complicated, but that's just my opinion. Having low mana costs isn't anything new to Riot's design philosophy outside of mages. His main limiter isn't supposed to be mana, it's supposed to be your ammo count, which forces you to constantly switch your strengths around.

Is Aphelios strong right now? Probably. Is he really an abomination? No, not really. I find a bigger issue with the supports that enable Aphelios more than I do Aphelios himself, but that's a symptom for any hyper carry with no mobility. Despite what people think, Aphelios has clear weaknesses, such as being jumped on and working around his current weapon like people play around Gnar's rage meter. Even with Gravitum Cannon, the animation for the snare hurts more than it helps when it comes to actually escaping danger. Aphelios accels when he's on the offensive, but terrible with defense when on-level/equal gold with other champions.

Now you're free to disagree with me if you want, this is simply my experience with Aphelios and my opinions.

Padawan1/6/2020, 8:02:20 PM3 votes

Powercreep powercreep powercreep

XJ999999999999991/6/2020, 10:03:42 PM2 votes

I played a bot game with him today, kinda understanding what he does, and holy shit he is broken. Im 100 to 0'ing people in seconds at level 2-3 not even knowing what is happening.

you dont even need to heavily optimize the weapon setups. It's mostly Q W into Q again with auto b4 and inbetween depending on the weapon and you deal a billion damage.

Karfuss1/8/2020, 6:40:11 AM2 votes

CertaintlyT should just be banned from creating champions.

Every single one of his monstrous creations have presented a plethora of balance issues. Zoe is literally bottom barrel because she can no longer do the ONLY thing she was completely designed for. The most anti-fun thing ever of CCing and one shotting someone out of the game from across the map.

And guess who CertainlyT personally hates playing against? Yasuo and Thresh. And who created them? Funny you should ask that.