Singed compared to every other tank and why he needs a rework/change

Tomo7182··6 votes·1,896 views

This list basically compares what other tanks can offer to a team, what they can do compared to singed. Other tanks (classed under tank in the lol client) compared to singed:

Maokai: 2 hard cc sources, percentage damage reduction, gap closer with percentage hp damage, Heals based off his max hp from spell casts, wins most lane matchups.

Poppy: 2 hard cc sources, gap closer that is also a 2 second stun, denies champions dashes, gets tankeir the lower she is, has a max hp sheild Percent speed increase, aoe max hp damage,

Sion: 2 hard cc sources, infinitely scales, deals 10% max hp damage on EVERY auto attack while dead, percentage speed increase in dead mode max hp shield which also deals percentage hp damage in a aoe circle.

Shen: 1 hard cc source, gobal teleport , gap closer thats damage scales off his bonus hp, max hp shield, max hp damage on empowered auto attacks ability that denies auto attack damage

Cho'Gath: 2 hard cc sources, mana and health sustain with passive, high base TRUE damage ult, high ap scalings on all abilities increases his auto attack range from using ult, gets 1000 hp for free from his ult

Amumu: 2 cc sources, Reduced physical damage, gap closer, aoe per second max hp damage, massive aoe ult.

Zac: gap closer, 2 hard cc sources, has a revive, max hp healing, max hp damage on an ability that is always getting refreshed,

Rammus: 2 hard cc sources, Free thorn mail, 120 free armor on something that isn't even an ultimate (nasus's ult gives 110 over 15 seconds on a 120s cool downn, rammus gets 120 instantly from w on a 14s cool down) percentage speed increase,

Blitzcrank: Percentage speed increase, 3 cc sources (q,e,r) ALL abilities have a 100% ap or ad scaling, auto attack reset, shield scaling off his current mana.

Alistar: damage reduction, heal for him and his ally, a free cleanse, 3 hard cc sources, can move through units.

Sejuani: 2 hard cc sources, Bonus armor and slow resist from auto attacking an enemy, gap closer, percentage hp damage auto attack followed by percentage aoe percentage hp damage, A 6 SECOND 70% SLOW,

Jarvan: Percentage hp damage auto attacks, armor reduction q with 120% bonus ad scaling, 1 hard cc source, attack speed steroid to his whole team, High base damage ult with 120% bonus ad scaling, screws over champions that take ghost over flash, gap closer.

Leona: Increased flat and percentage armor and magic resist, 3 hard cc sources, auto attack reset, empowered auto attacks, gap closer.

Galio: gets increased ap based off his magic resist, gives a shield that gives 90 armor and magic resist, heals based on the enemies damage, percentage speed increase 1 hard cc source.

Malphite: Max hp shield, percentage move speed steal, damage is based off his bonus armor, percentage armor increase, attack speed cripple, 1 hard cc source Gap closer.

Nautilus: 3 hard cc sources, max hp shield, auto attack reset, gap closer.

Mean while singed has: Bonus health based off his max mana (useless as no one builds mana anymore), low damage q, 2 hard cc sources (fling and goo fling) Max health damage every 10 seconds, Ult gives upto: 80 magic resist, armor, ability power and 16 mana/health regen per second for 25 seconds.

Singed has no gap closer like most tanks do, he has no shield like most tanks do (which is weird because his character HOLDS A SHIELD yet it is doing nothing for him) he falls off in late game and Isn't rewarding to play anymore. all of the tank champions listed scale well and have been preforming better than him since riot removed his ult tenacity.

Singed needs an updated kit 100%, he has been out of meta for 5 seasons now, has been a horrible pick and doesn't see any play in competitive (apart from looper and dyrus) As minishcap1 (challenger singed one trick) stated in a video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGVCvhn6hd0) every single patch from the start of pre season 6 to preseason 7 has been bad for singed. the only 2 viable play styles of singed is proxy all game in the enemies base (which most people say is trolling, this is unhealthy) or rush righteous glory in lane then look for team fights before singed falls off in late game. In season 5 singed was considered a late game champ back when people build tear and rod of ages but the meta has changed and both of these items are not good on singed anymore.

Singed is not a viable pick in higher elos as people know how to beat a proxy singed, they know how to make a singed useless and they have better kiting mechanics to out run singed.

My suggestion is the following: give singed tenacity back on his ult, give him some kind of damage reduction, a shield, something to benefit his team (and make him actually worth picking over something like poppy or rumble) or a full rework.

He has been in dire need of attention from riot for many years but at this stage the majority of singed mains just think riot doesn't give a crap about singed and are ignoring this champion.

(you may say "hey didnt his q get buffed recently?" the real answer is no, the q tick rate change did nothing other than easier last hitting in the early game)

20 Comments

Swiftstrike47 votes

Singed is viable, you just have to play him differently than a traditional top laner. Sirhcez got to masters playing Singed with a pretty high win rate, so he is playable in high Elo.

His passive is garbage; I agree to that. It should be something different, some type of sustain to help him in the top lane, similar to a trundle or chogath passive, but I don't know what.

Tomo71822 votes

He is playable and viable but compare singed to other tanks and he just gets completely out classed, you have poppy who denies the enemy dashes, you have shen with a global teleport shield and you have jarvan who offers his team a attack speed steroid. the question is in high rating why would i play singed when i can play all of these other great tanks who do alot more than singed

Swiftstrike46 votes

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He is playable and viable but compare singed to other tanks and he just gets completely out classed, you have poppy who denies the enemy dashes, you have shen with a global teleport shield and you have jarvan who offers his team a attack speed steroid. the question is in high rating why would i play singed when i can play all of these other great tanks who do alot more than singed

Well he isn't meant to be comparable to a teamfight tank. Singed is largely a split-pusher and distraction for the enemy team. He is most effective in denying objectives by killing the minions heading to them through proxying.

If depends on how you want to view the game. If you only want to win through a teamfighting paradigm (which a lot of low elo players think is the only win condition they have) then no, he is not the champion for you.

But then you would also not like other champions likes Tryndamere Nasus MasterYi who mostly win through skirmishes and split pushing.

The point is that singed has a unique playstyle compared to other tanks and has superior wave clear compared to most tanks.

He has enough CC in his kit, and perhaps the only thing he suffers from is mana management early in the game.

He is highly effective through most different elo, but I will say most singed players have to be really good with him to truly be a great distraction to the enemy.

Ralanr1 votes

I think swapping his passive to health builds mana instead of mana building health would be enough.

Tomo71821 votes

The thing is what is singed going to do with all that mana in the late game??? His ult offers enough mana regen a mana passive is not needed

DunkinNoobs2 votes

Of course Singed looks like a shitty tank when you compare him to tanks. He's not a tank. Never really has been. He's an AP bruiser more than anything. Maybe even a Juggernaut. But most certainly not a tank.

Ralanr1 votes

Singed is Singed. There is nothing else.

Tomo71822 votes

In the current meta singed can't even get the chance to build 1 ap item, he needs righteous glory to even team fight then he needs tank items like sunfire, deadmans, spirit visage. So he doesn't just get hard cc'd then just die immediately. Singed has been suffering from this problem ever since they removed the tenacity on his ult.

Predatorator1 votes

Cho got high cooldowns, cast time, and mana costs on all of his abilities (except for e), plus he's immobile. just to make the comparison a bit more fair.

Tomo71821 votes

Same for singed 100 mana for fling at level 1 is so bad, its basicly why singed mains always start dark seal because it lets us use 1 more fling in lane.

The other thing about singed has a cast time on his w, singed is a running champ who needs to stop for 1 second to use an ability, a champion that needs to run straight towards the enemy has to spend 1 second placing w, I'm at the point were I don't even level this skill until level 13, it's just useless.

TheHappyReaperz1 votes

I wouldn't say Jarvan or Cho are tanks. Jarvan's a bruiser, and Cho's a juggernaut. Mana isn't something people don't build anymore, and there are quite a few good mana/ap, or mana/health, or mana/resistance items Singed can use. Lategame you can pick up a item 3151 item 3116 item 3165 and apply AOE slows, burns, and GW.

Tomo71821 votes

I'm just listing the tanks that are under the tanks tab on the client

luopmanat1 votes

You can' pick up those items because you instantly die. While Rylais is super good for Singed you can't pick it up before 3rd item most games. You need righteous glory so you can catch up to carries and be an actual threat to them. Then you need resists so you can live for a while in fights. Then You can't pick up liandries before last item because you need more resists so the adc doesn't eat you up alive.

Morellonomicon is just a terrible item for Singed, never buy this on him.

TheHappyReaperz1 votes

Damage Items: item 3003 /item 3151 /item 3165 /item 3116 I'll get two of these items, most of the time

Tank Items: item 3060 /item 3742 /item 3110 /item 3512 /item 3068 /item 3026 I'll get 3 of these items, depending on the situation

TeemoXNidalee1 votes

A cool idea for a passive is:

Gains x% movement speed when running away from enemy champions.

Meep Man1 votes

You can't compare Singed to other Tanks like that, it's not his role in the game.

Tomo71821 votes

Singed - The mad chemist - Primary Role: Tank Secondary Role: fighter.

Meep Man1 votes

Ok, as someone who plays Singed you should know what I mean. You don't pick Singed for the reason you pick basically any other Tank in the game. You don't protect allies and you don't initiate fights either (although you can).

EcchiOtakuTM1 votes

Finally got a real keystone ty god, his passive and ulti do need reworking though.

Also wished his W rooted units tossed OUT of it. Would ask for it to apply grounded but let's tackle passive and ulti first.

EndlessSorcerer1 votes

Honestly, the term "AP Fighter" probably fits Singed better than "tank". While it is his official class, comparing him against teamfighting tanks is probably incorrect.

While his utility is lower, he provides a significant amount of sustained damage and moderate amounts of CC with which to threaten the enemy team. Meanwhile, he can easily be a nigh-unkillable threat who is continually slowing the enemy team and diverting their attention.

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