Shaco is still way too overtuned

Don't worry the Shaco community says he's weak so you must be wrong.

Just get oracles from Klepto bro

If Shaco is one shotting you late game, that tells me what he is both fed off his ass and you have no armor.

Oh look, you played a Lux game against Shaco and lost, and he was indeed fed out of his ass 27/3, and you had no armor, while also being innately squishy, good job.

Buy a thornmail.

An assassin killed a squishy target extremely quickly. Nothing to see here folks, move along.

The buff he got during the nerf on wasnt needed but the complaint from Shaco main actually make it happen, see where we are now.

i've been playing a shit ton of Shaco recently and i mean he's good but he isn't Zed levels of 'balanced' so let's derail this thread and turn it into a nerf Zed thread

If they nerf his damage, he will no longer be considered an assassin as he will likely be built as a bruiser (unless new itemization is added that takes advantage of assassin-level built-in mobility/safety/target-access without simply providing 1-shot burst). If they nerf his other strengths, he will be a boring 1-shot machine (the worst pattern for an assassin). I think that the 1-shot potential should be removed, but it would result in people complaining that he is an assassin who cannot "assassinate". I think that's a problem with the connotation of assassins that people expect them to be able to instantly kill without counterplay while being safe via hyper-mobility, stealth, and invulnerability.

I think that 1-shot potential should rarely or never exist, but particular cases like , , , and (and every hybrid marksmen+assassin ) have so much safety/mobility that it becomes even more overbearing, so they would be better as lower damage-output "trickster" style assassins. And, yes, I do realize that no-counterplay 1-shot style champions are a tool to prevent marksmen from being out of control steamrolling burst-per-second machines lategame, but it seems like a really brutish solution that isn't much fun. Instead, marksmen should just be balanced so that they don't need to be instantly shutdown to prevent them from acing your entire team in ~3 seconds. Fixing problems by creating new problems seems like a bad strategy. I don't care if people think 1-shots are part of an assassin's power fantasy or acing teams is part of a marksmen's power fantasy, it just shouldn't happen because it deletes other roles' lategame fantasies while killing strategy.

PS., I am a frequent player, especially on another account, and I still want him to lose 1-shot capability. I just want roles to be fixed at the same time so that low-counterplay 1-shots aren't such a necessary balance crutch for the game. I also want new "trickster" itemization so that he doesn't simply become a mobile bruiser without real strengths.

PS. PS., is one of my favorite marksmen, and I think that his stealth is really interesting and fun for the game, but I'll admit that it's unfair in the current state of damage output and league of 1-shots.

but he has to do that to be an assassin doesn't he? lets say he jumps in, he attacks you from Q and drops you to 40% health and then what? ADC's have significantly better DPS than assassins so if you want shaco to then just stand around and AA the target to death he is going to lose every time

Wait till next patch when he gets 35% total armor pen from LDR's changes. This is about a 29% damage increase vs. squishy targets because he can shred 83 armor down to 0 with lethality items.

Shaco has a kit that is impossible to balance because it is pure utility. His Q gives mobility, his boxes area control, his e is a slow and his ult is a dodge that creates a bait.

He does not even has that much damage on his own! HIs passive reduces his crit. strike damage when not back stabbing (even with the 40% AP scaling) The Q bonus damage is the same as gromp attacking you W can make quite the amount of damage if he has a lot of AP and you stand beside a box like an idiot The Shiv is a slow and that's it (damage is at the line to not even show up) And his ult might seem strong with 400 base damage and 100% AP scaling, but remember that Lee Sin has 600 + 200% AD scaling on an on-click ability

All of Shaco's damage comes from the items. If Shaco can easily kill you, you either did no acknowledge that he could be around an have not enough vision or the items are over powered.

A good example of this was, when Shaco received his mini-rework it happened around the time hextech-glp and protobelt were inteduced. With that revolver lost his spell vamp and received his on-hit damage. Suddenly Shaco was either rushing hextech revolver or got it after tiamat until it was nerfed by 25 damage (which was enough to stop the level 3 midlane kills).

Shaco can't one shot unless he has dark harvest and is very fed (+ you have no armor, no shields). But he can kill you if you had already lost some hp and this is normal.