If I would have to nerf Fiora

Malicious Metal·May 22, 2017·20 votes·1,511 views

I'd give her three nerfs:

One on her base Hp regen: rewards her more for hitting vitals and makes people who deny them able to bully her more effectively

A second one to her Q cool down at early ranks: Her Q spam in lane helps her win trades way too easily so I'd up the CD OR make the refund only apply then she hits a vital

And maybe remove the AS slow on her W: It's already way too punishing for the enemy and the AS slow fucks up a lot of AA reliant champions/bullies that would be intended to win against her.

I just feel she isn't exactly game breaking OP but just a tad too overtuned, especially since her late game's already so monstrous.

39 Comments

EedatMay 22, 201711 votes

Thats a massive nerf. Nerfing two basic abilities and base stats in one go is pretty extreme. I really dont feel Fiora is a lane bully.

Like I said in another post, I feel like I can actually outplay a Fiora and kill her. Champs like Renekton Darius I feel I cant unless they make a lot of mistakes. I don't feel her early game is nearly as oppressive as either of those two as well.

Sahn UzalMay 22, 20173 votes

I'd be damn happy seeing just one of these tbh.

Weiner the PoohMay 22, 20177 votes

The Q nerf would never work, Q is her most needed skill and only resetting on vitals would absolutely gut her. Hitting a vital is not always possible and would make last hittting, skirmishing, and team fighting nearly impossible. At early levels Q already has a 16 second cool down and doesn't offer much damage or range. In team fights it is usually only possible to get one maybe two Q's off in a late game team fight, especially if you're going for the adc or mage.

The AS slow on her kit is there to help vs auto attack champs and make it possible to duel them, not every champion has a cc to negate, and removing that would gut her. Without it fighting champs like Trynd, or Yi(without ult) or a lot of adc's would be damn near impossible.

The only one that makes sense on your list is the Hp regen nerf. Everything else is too much and too crippling, not only would they weaken her to an extreme, removing the slow would change the way she is played in general. As would making Q only reset on vitals, it would be crippling.

Elkington VIMay 22, 20171 votes

If I can outduel a late game ADC, or even a Yi, as Trundle, Fiora can do it without her AS slow. She has more enough to win duels without it, especially when she's at full build. Riposte is what lets her win most trades, along with that crazy healing. She eventually reaches a point where, she does so much damage, that the AS slow no longer matters.

MissingKayoMay 23, 20171 votes

Yi doesn't lose to Trundle. Nor do most lategame ADCs unless they're enough of a dumbass to not kite/not have Mortal Reminder by that point.

Fiora doesn't win against lategame attack speed carries without it.

Parry doesn't matter when they just autoattack blitz you to death.

Elkington VIMay 24, 20171 votes

I'm of the opinion that, built 100% for dueling, the only champs that out-duel Trundle consistently are Jax, Fiora, Tryn, and a good Yasuo. It's just that he can't afford to build that way on SR/TT/ARAM, so no one is used to seeing it.

KONO RUBICK DAMay 22, 20175 votes

i don't think removing her attack speed slow should be a thing, it's important for many factors

however it shouldn't last 2 seconds

at least make it 1./1.1/1.2/1.3/1.4 seconds

SpookyNeedleMay 23, 20172 votes

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i don't think removing her attack speed slow should be a thing, it's important for many factors

however it shouldn't last 2 seconds

at least make it 1./1.1/1.2/1.3/1.4 seconds

Remove the ms slow on W, AS slow is too important in a good few matchups. Like Kayle, Irelia, tryndamere, any ADC, Yi without ult.

bucket steakMay 22, 20173 votes

Fiora doesn't need a nerf. She's not even tier 1.

doodlebob666May 22, 20172 votes

she is currently the strongest toplaner at most elo's, coming off of a strong state pre midseason and getting massive buffs considering the ad buffs to lifesteal items, synergizing ridiculously well with her kit, and the changes to ga, making it stronger on her because of the ad, and the buffs to death dances, allowing her to survive enemy burst and sustain back to full, adding to this the fact that tanks have lost so much damage makes her laning against them even more free,

bucket steakMay 22, 20172 votes

LMAO, Fiora is barely in the top 50, if even that. You people of the forums are so silly. You get smashed by a champion because you're bad, and then you rage in the forums. Let me tell you, Fiora is by no means a top top laner. I consider dodging when I see her on my team. She's picked often but that doesn't mean she's the best top laner.

KONO RUBICK DAMay 22, 20174 votes

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LMAO, Fiora is barely in the top 50

in gold maybe

doodlebob666May 22, 20171 votes

gold plus she has the second highest pickrate and a 52% winrate, she is still a power pick, and also banned relatively often

bucket steakMay 22, 20172 votes

I can't find anything that confirms a 52% win rate. Most sources claim a little over 50%.

Who is TaliyahMay 22, 20172 votes

http://lolalytics.com/champion/Fiora/

https://i.gyazo.com/fb8f9502f8d72f2169eae1d9d3aa1aaa.png

doodlebob666May 22, 20171 votes

http://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/top this is the gold plus number it drops the higher you get but the playrate rises inversly to it

Deity ExcaliburMay 23, 20171 votes

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http://www.leagueofgraphs.com/champions/stats/top this is the gold plus number it drops the higher you get but the playrate rises inversly to it

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http://lolalytics.com/champion/Fiora/

https://i.gyazo.com/fb8f9502f8d72f2169eae1d9d3aa1aaa.png

how about you both use normal websites like every other person. OP.GG shows over 52.57% winrate with fiora diamond+. Pretty sure that's something for a laner that's deemed as weak early game.

Prestige AkaIiMay 23, 20171 votes

League of Graphs and Lolalytics are both more reliable websites when it comes to champion stats than OP.gg.

Deity ExcaliburMay 23, 20171 votes

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League of Graphs and Lolalytics are both more reliable websites when it comes to champion stats than OP.gg.

Never heard of these websites before. but sure, whatever floats your boat

AnagsMay 23, 20171 votes

Dude, saying she isn't one of the better top laners is just stupid. She wouldn't be rocking the highest play rate if she were weak. It wouldnt happen.

And she has a 51% winrate on lolalytics which means she is a top tier pick given her pick rate.

Sorry, you have no idea what you are talking about. I'm not saying she needs nerfed or gutted. But she is a strong top laner in the current meta.

bucket steakMay 24, 20171 votes

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Dude, saying she isn't one of the better top laners is just stupid. She wouldn't be rocking the highest play rate if she were weak. It wouldnt happen.

And she has a 51% winrate on lolalytics which means she is a top tier pick given her pick rate.

Sorry, you have no idea what you are talking about. I'm not saying she needs nerfed or gutted. But she is a strong top laner in the current meta.

Only against you.

Shuyin178May 22, 20173 votes

The nerfs I would do is is lower her health regen and change her passive from max health true damage to current health true damage.

She's a duelist, meaning 1v1. You can't be a duelist if you can 1v5 the entire enemy team.

bucket steakMay 22, 20175 votes

1v9*

Shuyin178May 23, 20171 votes

That meme is stupid and you should feel bad about yourself for saying it.

bucket steakMay 24, 20171 votes

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That meme is stupid and you should feel bad about yourself for saying it.

You're an uncultured swine.

RalanrMay 22, 20173 votes

One of those would be fine. Probably the health regeneration.

NymzoMay 22, 20172 votes

Never will like the idea of a gapcloser in the q slot.

This is like the worst idea ever.

Blade of JusticMay 22, 20172 votes

The only thing about Fiora I don't like is her ult's healing field.

It just doesn't make sense to me for a duelist.

Hell, just giving her a F@#$ ton of health back for killing someone with her ult is fine by me.

King of MongooseMay 23, 20172 votes

i say just remove the attspd slow from w and see what happens from there

KVbqbFsC8eMay 22, 20171 votes

Rework her or allow QSS to remove her ult again.

Weiner the PoohMay 22, 20173 votes

Yeah and Remove Zed's, Morde's, Fizz's, everyone else who is super ult reliant.

JoseraphMay 23, 20171 votes

Thing is, Fiora's ult isn't as vital to her kit as the others. Fizz and Zed ult is what makes the assassinations happen (when they aren't broken), and Mordekaiser's ult is probably the most powerful in the game (when the AI decides not to act like it's on LSD, crack, heroin, and weed at the same time). Fiora ult just gives her a better passive and sometimes a heal field.

Weiner the PoohMay 23, 20173 votes

Spoken by someone who doesn't play the champion. Fiora's ult is very important to her kit, and most of her kill potential. Without it fights are drawn out, and in team fights her ability to kill without is very low.

JoseraphMay 24, 20171 votes

I know, but as Fiora is a Melee carry she isn't as ult reliant as the others. Fiora, Yasuo, Yi, Jax and similar can still obtain kills without their ultimates as their auto attacks will deal shit-tons of damage, even if they dont use abilities at all (Even though this strategy isn't effective at all).

A champion like Zed though killing without his ult requires a much higher level of play (Land both Shuriken on the first target, E, auto attack, cancel auto with Tiamat, and if you miss you're fucked).

My point isn't that Fiora's ult isn't important, it's just that she isn't as ult reliant, because she can fight with her primaries on cooldown.

Weiner the PoohMay 24, 20171 votes

Her ult is her main team fight ability her main chase ability. Without it good luck catching out any adc late game.

Nomad SolMay 22, 20171 votes

I'd make her passive do magic damage.

You guys remember madreds and how that use to be an anti tank item? An auto attack oriented champ doing magic damage naturally made it hard for tanks to itemize against? The games lost too much of this nuance.

zaire90May 23, 20171 votes

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And maybe remove the AS slow on her W: It's already way too punishing for the enemy and the AS slow fucks up a lot of AA reliant champions/bullies that would be intended to win against her.

While I believe the 2nd one is a little too much just gonna mention that no champions are intended to win against her. Champs working together are intended to beat her (and jax)so I assume they added the aa thing for when she fights adcs as alot of them dont really have anything to w for the stun but shes still supposed to win the 1v1 against them

WinTheWarOnPantsMay 23, 20171 votes

If i could change fiora to make her funner to play as and against i would:

move her passive to her ult(no more annoying AF mini game in lane)
Buff her Q dmg a fair amount(scaling), but make the CD only lower on vital procs and kills(similar to irelia Q)
Make her W reflect a % of whatever she takes while parrying ie, something like 50% of the dmg and 80% of cc(numbers would need to be tested obviously)
Change her ult to instead of giving a 4 vitals on target, It would work like her passive does now. meaning the vitals would appear one at a time(starting with the side closest to her probably?) lasting for a duration(idk if it should be longer or not(scaling?)). If she kills the target while the ult is active she can recast it on another target within a set amount of time.

Numbers would have to be worked on, but making her a gauntlet throwing duelist where she gets most of her strength from ulting aka challenging enemies would be cool IMO.