Can Root abilities actually root?

NodirjonSattarov··48 votes·13,828 views

instead of champions completing their channeled dashes or champions jumping/blinking and then rooting root should be applied the exact location where it is cast. I'm tired of Yasuo being able to get to me mid E because root applies only after the E animation is complete

edit: apparently yasuo can be stopped, so I guess that was a bad example. what I mean is tristana jump, ezreal blink, kindred jump etc

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ZT Xperimentor27 votes

Roots should apply the grounding debuff or at least interrupt all mobility effects.

Teridax684 votes

Agreed, and stuns as well. There's no particular reason for hard CC to behave inconsistently relative to mobility when displacements have always been coded to knock champions out of their dashes, and the fact that this separation still exists I think speaks more to legacy coding and balancing on Riot's part than anything else. Allowing hard CC to cleanly knock dashing targets down would add a ton more consistency to the game, as well as generate much more meaningful interaction between the two effects (most CC is already difficult to land on fast-moving opponents, so it doesn't need to also have a reduced impact when it does land). Additionally, it could probably limit knockup creep by some amount, as I suspect many champions got displacements on their kits, simply because displacements are better stuns.

ZT Xperimentor2 votes

That that entirely concur with, and it's why displacements were rare to begin with, until they nerfed tenacity. Still get the latency differential screwing up interactions too, where dashes and blinks go off after being stunned, which is just as frustrating.

Élementalist Lux2 votes

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Roots should apply the grounding debuff or at least interrupt all mobility effects.

I completely Agree, Jinxes root knocks down targets mid dash, for example if Tristana tried to jump over Jinx’s snare grenades they would be knocked down and Why can’t this be true for Dark and Light Binding, for a big lux player it is really a let down when the snare queen can’t even stop a kha Ziks jumping on me and fucking me up

ZT Xperimentor1 votes

Similarly frustrating to burn an ultimate and deal damage, yet they still get to dash/blink through the crowd control.

Automated Riven12 votes

You picked a stupid champ to complain about. Yasuo has the only dash in the game which is interupted by every movement imparement in the game.

Z3Sleeper1 votes

Yeah I was thinking "Isn't Yasuo the only champ whose dash can be stopped?"

Psyrix2 votes

Most mobile champs can’t buffer cc tho

Automated Riven2 votes

No. As in. If you hit Yas with a cc mid dash he stops. His is the only dash in the game that does that. Everyone else will complete the dash and then be cc'ed after.

Arakadia1 votes

That only includes hard CC right?

Automated Riven1 votes

Yes and no. Anything that impares movement. So a stun, root, snare, entangle, knockup, grounding. And whatever else stops a champions ability too move.

I don't know but I think that polymorph will stop the dash as well. But I would have to test it and I cannot ATM as I am in Mexico.

Colton1476 votes

Laughs in Ornn.

Even though he only moves an inch with his W. [cass-cry]

Bring back his Unstoppable.

Catastroclysm5 votes

First make it so Camille, J4, and Graves can't literally begin a dash while rooted. :)

Fondling Gems14 votes

I mean J4's is a bit special, it is a specific part of the ability that he can dash while CC'd. That is different from champions who just have really long wind-ups like Tristana.

Automated Riven8 votes

Camille is coded the same as J4. It's just that she can't cast it after the cc starts. But she can before it easily.

Jaygo411 votes

No, hers is a dash. Jarvan's flag "pulls" him the way Blitzcrank pulls people

ModAcademy Kayn6 votes

Yeah, but if she fires her hook, and then get's snared, her hookline (similar to Jarvan's Q hitting a flag) has gotten into a forced movement priority, just like Jarvan.

Glory971 votes

Well when rooted camille can still cast her e and get herself to the wall, only she is not able to recast her e from the wall during the root duration. And this is also incredibly frustratig because for mages that rely on the root for their oneshot (lux, zyra, ...), cause dashing toward the wall is often enough to dodge the whole combo

Chembaron Yamada1 votes

Please no, it's fun seeing Lux cry because I can just slide out of her combo when she snared me. [sg-soraka]

Oh, and btw, Graves can't use his dash after being rooted. If he cast it before the root hit him, he will finish the dash, but when he gets rooted first then his E is disabled.

RookPusher4 votes

I don't mind if they can leap/dash/whatever but what drives me nuts is that the leap counted as part of the duration. Makes my head explode.

Tahminatrix 3 votes

They would have to code it like malz ult where it has a knockdown effect.

SugeMinPikk3 votes

my dude just got buffer jumped on lmao

DuskDaUmbreon3 votes

Eh. I don't have a problem with short blinks/dashes. Ezreal's blink isn't putting him right on top of me or anything, and Kindred's is barely enough to hop over some walls.

My problem is more with JarvanIV and XinZhao and shit. Their huge-ass range dashes should most definitely be stopped by roots/stuns/snares/charms/fears, because it's simply that much longer of a dash. Let them get over any terrain they're over, sure, but make it stop them as soon as they're over normal ground.

Or, at the very least, for fuck's sake, make the duration of the CC only start after the dash stops. If I've rooted them and they're going to keep moving anyways, at least make sure that they don't get to ignore the entirety of my Lux Q just by being mid-air.

Provengreil3 votes

This was hashed out in 3-5 threads when they changed ahri's charm to no longer stop dashes, while veigar's cage had just picked up the function.

Short version is get rekt skrub, get some caffiene and keep up with the CoD twitch kids. Long version is that there was no response but 2 years of damage and mobility creep speaks louder than any post they could ahve made anyway.

They didn't listen then, won't listen now, and won't listen tomorrow.

Z3Sleeper2 votes

Um... actually, Yasuo is the only one who can be stopped by a root during his dash...

NodirjonSattarov2 votes

you get my point though

Z3Sleeper1 votes

Yeah bro I do just possibly the worst example haha. I'd replace that with Camille/Irelia.

Bumperlane2 votes

God that would be so damn nice but Riot will never do it because that would make too much sense.

giantZorg2 votes

Well, the problem with Tristana and Ezreal is the channeling part of the spell. Don't know how it is with Kindred. I do think I sniped Lee Sin's out of their Q dash with Morgana Q's and they would stop right there. If we look at Tristana W (imo this spell should be remade so that CC in the channel stops the dash), it is absolutely possible to stop the dash, the CC just has to apply mid-jump, not before. At least for knock-ups I managed to do so before, it was really funny when I managed to stop her jump with a Cho Q, knocking her up while she's jumping in the air (because logics). But for both Ez/Tristana, being able to get out of danger of CC with a well timed E/W takes quite some part of their power budget and a way to "outplay" or show your skill/mastery of the champ.

joac o p asta1 votes

and u think rooting amumu and still can jump on u with his q and then ultimates u is normal... why do i have that root in the first place if is doing nothing to some enemy

The Iceborn2 votes

Exactly!!! Its so annyoing when as Lissandra you Press your W and Gragas still gets to Dash without being interrupted -.-!

Bonipherus2 votes

there's too much mobility in the game and it's about damn time cc stops it

yay nibbers2 votes

Love the attempt to sneak some Yasuo hate into the thread when Yasuo's is one of few dashes that actually is stopped by roots and stuns.

I have to agree though, It'd be nice if hard cc stopped dashes.

Mokuto Bunshi2 votes

Sure. Makes intuitive sense. Especially since if you try to dash through Veigar 's cage you freeze in your tracks!

Morgana Ultima1 votes

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instead of champions completing their channeled dashes or champions jumping/blinking and then rooting root should be applied the exact location where it is cast. I'm tired of Yasuo being able to get to me mid E because root applies only after the E animation is complete

Idk I feel like I'm a boss when I hit somebody with a slow ass Morgana Q as they're dashing. I feel like it lets them know they've been out played.

TekkenPlayer1 votes

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Leetri1 votes

Tristana's jump and Ezreal's blink have a long cast delay comparatively though, if you remove the buffering they'd have to make them instant like every other dash or else it's just a suicide button a lot of the time.

Ifneth1 votes

You’re thinking of Knockdown

Mokuto Bunshi1 votes

or stuns

Ifneth1 votes

Stuns also stop champion actions. OP was talking about preventing repositioning.

ΦmalphintoΦ1 votes

i mean, i'm pretty sure the company doesn't have enough workers to do all these stuffs immediately.

Psyrix1 votes

Haha I don’t think kindred can do it either actually (plus their dash is extremely short anyways). Main offenders are Tristana, Ezreal, Rek’sai and I think one or two others. It’s not a common thing, most champs aren’t able to buffer the cc.

joac o p asta1 votes

imagine in a team fight u root amumu with morgana q... and he can still use q on u and then ultimate u all:))) how is that even fair?

Élementalist Lux1 votes

RIOT PLS BUFF SNARESSS THIS ELCTROCUTE ASSASSIN MESS CANNOT OVERPOWER ROOTS ITS JUST UNJUST! BUFF SNARES!!!

Élementalist Lux1 votes

Like units are ‘unstoppable’ for a reason and when you feel good because you Light Bind a KhaZix mid jump and he still lands on you and fucks you. It feels pretty damn bad man. Fix this Riot, Pls.

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