Silence Fears Poly-morphs and Suppressions should Proc CoC

Romans VI XXIII··5 votes·1,438 views

Theres no reason these forms of CC shouldn't proc CoC,

  1. CoC is intended to be proc'd after hard CC on Juggernauts and Tanks, that is its main purpose (Except for it includes Snares as well). And Fears Poly-morphs Suppression are 3 of the hardest forms for CC, other than Knock ups and displacements. I honestly see no reason why a champ like Soraka can proc CoC but a juggernaut like Garen can't.

  2. What would it break in the game? Well nothing, yes it would allow a slightly larger pool of champions to use CoC, Like Fiddlesticks Garen Lulu Malzahar Nocturne Shaco Warwick . Im pretty sure that this is all of the champions that currently CANT proc it and would be able to if this change went through. And there is some that would have and extra way of procing it, but there are already several champs that have 2 even 3 ways of procing it so this is not an issue.

So of the 8 champions that would additionally be able to proc it who would it really change?

Fiddlesticks - Probably not the best keystone to use, but he can use any buffs to help him atm.

Garen - 1 of the only juggernauts that CANT proc CoC and should be able to, ever since the nerf of Grasp he really doesn't have a Keystone that fits him since he doesn't have access to CoC.

Lulu - Wont ever use it unless you play Tank Lulu, who knows might be come a thing.

Malzahar - I can see him using it, and could be strong on him. would give him other options rather than just Deathfire.

Nocturne - Would never use it over Fervor, Warlords, stormraiders or thunderlords.

Shaco - same as nocturne

Warwick - Could make use of it, and it looks like his last update kinda turned him into a more tanky/juggernauty champion any way.

So why doesn't CoC not already proc off these CCs? Its just really confusing at why RIOT would make Snares/Roots apply CoC over a majority of the Hard CCs like suppresions, fears, polymorphs and silences. Specially since Snares are very common, allowing for a large junk of champions to apply this when they either 1. have no use for it Leblanc or 2. Abuse its power Lissandra .

31 Comments

dunder kill4 votes

It shouldn't work on silences at all. It's not hard CC

Romans VI XXIII1 votes

Neither is a snare, yet it procs it

and Fears and Suppression are hard CC yet they do not. Read some of my other replies about this :)

dunder kill2 votes

A snare is hard CC. It completely restricts your movement. Therefore suppressions should proc CoC.

Silences and polymorphs should not

Romans VI XXIII1 votes

Wrong.

HARD CC = Any ability that can interrupt/stop an opponents channeled ability, AND remove control of the players movement. (Stun, Fear, Taunt, Knock-Up, Knock-back, Flip, Grab, Suppress, Charm,)

SOFT CC = All other abilities that hinder opponents partially or fully in one of those two categories, or partially in both. (Slow, Silence, Blind, Snare, Reduce attack speed, )

http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=2625518

dunder kill5 votes

Quotes a post from literally 5 years ago that isnt even an official Rioter.

Literally meaningless.

Romans VI XXIII1 votes

Has a rioter ever come out and said what is Hard or Soft CC? nope not at all

And I used this post cause he gave a better explanation of what Hard and Soft are. Until a new one is created or a RIOT official comments this is the best we as players can get.

dunder kill1 votes

That post is completely meaningless

One random guy on the internet 5 years ago doesn't mean anything

Surr20plz1 votes

{quoted}

That post is completely meaningless

One random guy on the internet 5 years ago doesn't mean anything

Indeed sir! This scalawag has his yarbles crossed!

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Courage_of_the_Colossus

Took me literally 1.0034 seconds to find this.

Surr20plz3 votes

Silence and Poly aren't hard cc cause you can still move. Suppression and fear should proc it...actually they do.

/thread

moving on.

Romans VI XXIII1 votes

Hard CC =/= Cant move

And no suppression and fears do not proc it.

Try ulting with WW or Malz or fearing with fiddle and cho. it doesnt proc it.

  • technically you are moving during a fear :P

/thread

Surr20plz1 votes

{quoted}

Hard CC =/= Cant move

And no suppression and fears do not proc it.

Try ulting with WW or Malz or fearing with fiddle and cho. it doesnt proc it.

  • technically you are moving during a fear :P

/thread

WW fear procs it. So your whole thread and any credibility you have on these boards is now revoked!

GOOD DAY SIR!

RogueWill1 votes

if you add fears then you woudl have to add charms as well, since is basically the same spell with slightly different impaired movement conditions

Surr20plz1 votes

{quoted}

Hard CC =/= Cant move

And no suppression and fears do not proc it.

Try ulting with WW or Malz or fearing with fiddle and cho. it doesnt proc it.

  • technically you are moving during a fear :P

/thread

I SAID GOOD DAY SIR!!!

TyrekGoldenspear2 votes

Honestly I'm surprised suppression doesn't trigger it.

Romans VI XXIII1 votes

Me to :/

its the 2nd strongest form of CC, tied with Knock-ups and only behind displacements.

It and knock up function EXACTLY the same, the only difference is visual. Its like saying Root or Snare, in this game they are one and the same, Same for knock-ups and suppression's (expect in the case where abilities trigger off knock ups)

TyrekGoldenspear1 votes

Snare is the old wording. Which is why only older champs use the word snare in their tooltips.

Athenes Lulu2 votes

That would make solo Lulu more oppressive than it should be, and won't do much for Lulu support.

Romans VI XXIII1 votes

Not really, in most CC cases the shields duration only last about 1-2 seconds past the end of the CC. so by the time her poly morph ended and the enemy got in range to attack the shield would most-likely be at the end of its duration or very near to it.

This is why CoC is so much stronger on snares than the other CCs it currently procs off of. Cause in the case of a snare you can still retaliate and deal damage back to them (thus hitting the shield), where as in all other cases the shields duration is down to 1 - 2s left.

Making it weak in solo lanes, but much stronger in duo lanes and team fights.

Variks the Loyal2 votes

Suppression, I agree with. Silence, eh, not really CC.

Romans VI XXIII1 votes

Silence is a CC, a very strong one at that. A silence has a stronger impact than a same duration snare on almost every champion, save for a select few who are primary AA based.

Specially when used properly and timed well.

ZephyrDrake2 votes

{quoted}

Silence is a CC, a very strong one at that. A silence has a stronger impact than a same duration snare on almost every champion, save for a select few who are primary AA based.

Specially when used properly and timed well.

doesn't matter, silence is still soft CC and not hard CC which is what procs CoC. I can see suppression triggering it but silence is never going to trigger it since you are still able to move around freely and still auto anything you want

Romans VI XXIII1 votes

doesn't matter, silence is still soft CC and not hard CC which is what procs CoC

Wrong, Hard CCs do not Proc CoC, Your reason to what procs CoC has major issues

  1. Snares are not Hard CC and they do proc it (can attack)

  2. Fear is a Hard CC, and doesnt proc it (you cant direct your movement or attack)

  3. Suppression is a hard CC, and doesnt proc it ( Can not move or attack)

  4. The only thing that procs CoC is what RIOT chose (Seemingly Randomly), and has listed.

(Yes I have more points but I had to stop for Jhin ) :P

Salron2 votes

Kassadin doesn't have a silence

Romans VI XXIII1 votes

Right. thanks, forgot they changed his silence to a interrupt :P

Surr20plz1 votes

/thread!!

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Begone from my sight you pancake cretins!

KoggyStyle1 votes

zzzzzzzz you forgot the bacon.

The KnightOwl1 votes

Lulu can activate it already with her ult.

JVlasterQuinn1 votes

Garen could use the CoTC proc but rest don't need it.

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Courage_of_the_Colossus , read this page to see what is hard CC and who cannot use Courage.

KoggyStyle1 votes

ya i mistakingly said fidd could proc coc in a game i looked and no, i hope those people knew i was an idiot.

Restraintful2 votes

When it was first released he could, not sure if they changed that though. CoC Fiddle was broken.

Revali1 votes

the only two you mentioned that cant proc it is lulu and garen, every other can use courage of the colossus and can build some form of survivability to get some use of the shield

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