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Mord Change (NERFS)

Romans VI XXIII·Feb 25, 2015·29 votes·1,735 views

"BASE HEALTH REGENERATION 8.37 ⇒ 3.37"

Way to go RIOT, make a champ that uses his HP as is energy source have one of the lowest (If not the lowest) HP reg in the game. And he is supposed to be a FIGHTER HOW? He will KILL him self just by casting his spell with this HP Regen. Especially the way the new Regen items work, which is based off of your base regen.

Make Creeping Death cast-able on enemy champs, granting the new movement speed buff and that will be taking Mord in the right direction.

HOW is he supposed to be a fighter without ANY CC? Thats why he was a BURST MAGE, cause if he DIDN'T burst them then they kited him and destroyed him.

Fun Fact, All that B%#& S^%& about how DFG was removed and it hurt him speech, yea well Mords Play Rate AND Win Rate HAVE NOT CHANGED since DFG removal. Not like these changes "compensate" for the "loss" any way, all you did was give him minor buffs with MAJOR nerfs.

HOW has any of these changes helped "Fighter" Mord RIOT?

21 Comments

KynamiFeb 25, 20152 votes

2 points in Recovery from first tier Defense mastery tree, 2 HP/5.

2 Tier three HP/5 quints, 5.4 HP/5.

1 Starting item of Doran's Shield, 6 HP/5.

Base starting HP/5 of 3.37.

2 + 5.4 + 6 + 3.37 = 16.77 HP/5 = ~3.35 HP/sec

All of that stuff ignores the lousy scaling %HP/5 base grants early game. You can still squeeze in ~15 or so AP via mastery choices and runes and pick more up on your first back. Also, fun fact: Riven's base HP/5 is 3.34!

xl Kirito lxFeb 25, 20155 votes

Riven doesn't have health costs. She also has a resourceless 1-1 AD shield.

KynamiFeb 25, 20151 votes

And Mordekaiser turns 35% of all damage dealt (or 17.5% against minions and monsters) into a slowly decaying shield.

A first level Q costs 20 Health, and assuming it hits 3 minions the 80 base damage without even considering AP turns into 42 points of shielding.

Riven's shield also doesn't have anywhere near the perpetual up-time until she gets significant amounts of CDR. Her shield is also somewhat dependent on points in E while Morde's maximum scales with his level.

Romans VI XXIIIFeb 25, 20153 votes

Mords spells also dont take from the shield, so he KILLS HIMSELF by casting them. Riv is also recourcless, where as mord s source is his HP

Romans VI XXIIIFeb 25, 20152 votes

And yet any other bruiser/fighter can do the same. AND they will still have more HP/5, better CC, and better gap closing capabilities

JamareeFeb 25, 20151 votes

They helped because they lowered the CD and the health cost, sure his early game is going to be hell, but he can now throw out more DPS and get to late game where he regens enough with his hextech revo anyway. Though, he can't be too strong, he just can't be, it will get him nerfed AGAIN like it did back in season 1 from all the noob QQ.

Edit: Ignore this, didn't realize they changed his numbers again.

UncensoredAngelFeb 25, 20153 votes

No champions early game should be hell if it isnt fun than something is wrong "it can be hard but not hell"

Romans VI XXIIIFeb 25, 20156 votes

More DPS? HOW? HOW have they given him more DPS? Damage wise they REDUCED some of his RATIOS. YEP thats more DPS. And BTW his CDS are ALL THE SAME.

Also do you know how little 3.37 Hp regen is? that is .67 HP a second...... SO OOH yea those SMALL cost reductions compensate for it, since he now has THE LOWEST HP regen in the game.

JamareeFeb 25, 20152 votes

Oh wow, they changed things AGAIN, meph, whatever, still, don't want him too strong because noob QQ.

Romans VI XXIIIFeb 25, 20155 votes

Trolls. Gotta love em.

JamareeFeb 25, 20153 votes

Who is trolling? Do you remember why Mordekaiser got nerfed to his current state in the first place? Bronze and Silver player QQ and nothing more. No one at higher elo whined about him, hell, higher elo players defended him, but there was such a massive wave of QQ from the lower spectrum players that he got nerfed to this state. It is why I don't want him that strong, so he doesn't get yet another set of crippling nerfs.

Romans VI XXIIIFeb 25, 20154 votes

YES YOU. YOU ARE TROLLING. You came in here and stated random s&%* thinking it was fact with out even READING the patch notes. so YES YOU ARE TROLLING!

Good Day Sir

CopelandoFeb 25, 20157 votes

{quoted}

Who is trolling? Do you remember why Mordekaiser got nerfed to his current state in the first place? Bronze and Silver player QQ and nothing more. No one at higher elo whined about him, hell, higher elo players defended him, but there was such a massive wave of QQ from the lower spectrum players that he got nerfed to this state. It is why I don't want him that strong, so he doesn't get yet another set of crippling nerfs.

I've never heard anyone cry about mord

StephenizgodFeb 25, 20158 votes

The problem with Mordes early game being hell is that Mordes early game is all he had going for him. Should he fail early game his late game is useless.

Also technically his DPS was lowered.

JamareeFeb 25, 20153 votes

Yeah, I see that now, didn't realize they changed his numbers yet again.

xSayFeb 25, 20152 votes

You should read the changes before you post--his damage actually went down.

JamareeFeb 25, 20151 votes

Literally said that I didn't see the changes that happened yet again.

futuresight23Feb 25, 20151 votes

Don't think that these are all the changes to Mord. I think the rest of the changes are likely to come in 5.5 or 5.6 at the latest.

Romans VI XXIIIFeb 25, 20152 votes

the only thing else thats is in Beta atm that could come out for 5.5 or 5.6 is a change to his shield being gained by a % of his Max HP rather than a % of the damage dealt. Which does not help his lack of CC, MS, or his new shitty base HP/5, that all other bruiser/fighters COMPLETELY eclipse him on, so why would i want to play fighter mord when i can play riven, darius, jayce, vlad, hec, ect...ect.... NONE of these changes helped him at all, cause lets be honest relying on an ALLIES gap closer in order to get close to the enemy is pretty a SHITTY design.

flibitydooFeb 25, 20151 votes

The last paragraph in the summary of Mordekaiser changes (the non-light-grey text) states that these changes aren't going to be the final solution on Mordekaiser and that he will probably have his numbers tweaked so he can actually function as a fighter-mage tank.

Jungle Lux GodFeb 25, 20151 votes

I think the changes that Riot did to Mordekaiser in 5.4 may have been a precursor to what Riot is planning to do later on in either 5.5 or 5.6.

Riot definitely wants to make Mordekaiser more of a fighter than a mage because that makes sense both thematically and is most balanceable.

I really wanted the Mordekaiser changes that were on PBE during the 5.4 cycle to go out, to be honest. They made Morde into even more of a fighter than he was before. Instead, we got the stuff that helped fighter Morde do his job without getting what he got on PBE that made fighter Morde good.

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