Autofill is good cuz it keeps wait times down, and rarely puts you in a role you don't want.
But not in placement games. It's not fair as it makes the data it gets about you not reflect what your abilities are during normal play when you get your roles. I went 0/13 cuz I got autofilled into support, and didn't know what I was doing.
Maximum Morde12 votesI'm pretty sure you can't get autofilled in promos. In placements it doesn't matter.
Deep Terror Nami5 votesYour placement matches actually have very little effect on where you are placed. It's where your MMR was from last season that matters.
CrimsonDawn774 votesI never completed my placements last season. I'm basically new to ranked, and it got data of me going 0/13 cuz autofill.
Zero Skill Tank3 votesIt doesn't care about your score. It only checks whether or not you won the game.
CrimsonDawn776 voteswell we certainly lost the game in large part because the enemy adc got fed like xmas dinner cuz of autofill
Supreme Senpai694 votesI... I really hate to be that guy. I'm not trying to be mean. But support is one of the easiest roles to not die in. It's hard to do well and some people don't understand that, but it's incredibly easy to simply not die. If you went 0/13 and lost the game as support that seems to reflect more your skill than the autofill function. Rank doesn't mean how good you are at playing mid lane, it's a measurement tool to show how good you are at the game.
I'm not throwing around ranks but stay with me here. A gold skill level player would not go 0/13 as support even if he was a mid main (as an example.) However maybe a bronze person would? (I really am not calling you bronze just trying to make a point.) That person losing one game won't make the difference between bronze and gold, nor should it.
Autofill is dumb and all but you didn't lose the game because of autofill, you lost the game because you fed your ass off. The role may be unfamiliar but the mechanics and decision making shouldn't be too different. A big part of ranked is knowing how to be carried.
aWildTankDarius1 votesAs a support main, it's not that easy to stay alive. At least in my elo (or lack thereof). I'm usually dying to save my ADC to make sure they live. If I don't have a good ADC, which is unfortunately very common unless I'm playing with friends, I will end up being the sacrificial lamb to make sure my ADC does well in the game even if they make mistakes and get themselves into trouble. Especially if I'm a tank, I will be taking all the pokes and what ever skills I can block my ADC from getting hit with
Supreme Senpai692 votesI'm a support main too. Some advice I have is to not die for your ADC during laning phase. If your death can get them a double kill then go for it, if it's a gank and you both will die anyway then try to get your ADC out of there at the cost of your life. But something I've learned is that when I die for my ADC when it's the fault of my ADC, they just go and die right after anyway by making the same mistake. You might like mage/poke supports too then; it doesn't matter if your ADC is bad because you can contribute damage as well. I like tank supports but only when my friend is playin ADC.
Aside from that, his post said 0/13. I assumed that meant during laning phase and that he got no assists because otherwise why not say that? Of course the kills will be zero he's a support. He clarified saying it was only 0/5/3 in another comment which escalated to 13 deaths for the teamfight phase. I'd still argue that reflects his skill as a player, because you shouldn't be dying that many times, but it's a hell of a lot better than saying "I died 13 times in 20-25 minutes without any kill participation just because of autofill."
I'm sure you can see the confusion there :P
CrimsonDawn772 votesI also never said that those many deaths wasn't reflective of my skill as a player. I know I have much to learn, and am learning. I was a factor, my team was a factor, and autofill was also a significant factor. I NEVER said "I died 13 times in 20-25 minutes without any kill participation just because of autofill" you are quoting me as something I didn't say. I said " I went 0/13 cuz I got autofilled into support, and didn't know what I was doing."
My point was about autofill resulting in the system getting inaccurate data on you. Autofill put me at a competitive disadvantage. I'm sure I died more then needed due to my low silver skill level, but this does not change anything. People at low ranks are still entitled to an accurate assessment of their skill.
aWildTankDarius1 votesActually didn't see any confusion considering they were talking about a game and not just laning phase
CrimsonDawn772 votesWhat you said is partially inaccurate.
I am no gold player, I'm probably silver 4. My friend is, and im as good or a bit better then him. I was not trying to put all the blame on autofill, but rather to say that it put me at an unfair competitive disadvantage. Whatever my skill level is, that game did not reflect it because of the role I got.
The first couple of deaths I had were from my adc getting caught and me trying to save her. The enemy Jarvin IV jungler got fed from mid and top, and I mean xmas dinner level fed, (his score was literally 20/1/10 at the end of game) and at the end of laning he just came down and killed us under tower.
I was probably 0/5/3 early on. A bad score definitely. But I was not careless, or playing without regard for being behind. At this point I was totally useless as far as damage goes so I just went tank, and died for my team as they really needed a front line, in hopes they would make some plays. They refused to surrender for a 30 minute totally 1 sided game, so inevitably I ended up dying a bunch more.
Supreme Senpai692 votesYou should say that to begin with then ya goof. When you say "Lol i went 0/13 cuz of autofill" it makes you look like a giant noob who is tryin to farm upvotes in a circlejerk. If you went 0/5/3 in the laning phase then that's fine... lol.
Bad games happen. I consider myself a good player but do have games where either the enemy is scripting, we have an AFK, my ADC is intent feeding because he wanted top or doesn't like my support choice... etc. And some games you just get camped by the enemy mid AND jungler. I still hold that rank is a measurement of skill at the game, not a specific role- arguing you deserve a higher rank because you lost due to autofill is an absolutely silly argument to make. However, I do completely agree that autofill is a negative aspect of the game because playing a role you dislike isn't fun and why play a game if not for fun?
CrimsonDawn772 votesThe point of this post was to say that auto fill results in game play data that does not reflect your skill during normal play when you get your role, and that that is unfair given the diagnostic nature of placement games. It was supposed to be a fast post addressing that, not a full explanation of what happened in my game. I said 0/13 because it made clear just how bad the game was. As you've said there are several situations that can result in a score like that, but it was you that assumed that I must be something like a bronze 5 rager, instead of considering other possibilities.
Rank is a measurement of skill in parts of the game that you actually play. If you are to measure rank as skill defined that generally, then why not have rank also be a measure of your skill with champs that you don't play. According to that definition it would be totally fair if every champ you know was banned in all 10 of your placement games, because it is measuring general skill, not your competence in areas of the game that you play.
I never said that I should get a higher rank because autofill made me lose, I said that autofill should be removed from placements so the rank I get would be more accurate.
CrimsonDawn772 votesis it really just mmr that matters? I'm sure that placement games must have some effect
Zero Skill Tank1 votesPlacement games have double the effect on your MMR, i.e. winning all 10 is like winning 20. That's all.
khorney3 votes... how is it that no one knows how to supp it isnt hard..... ping when ur going in, place wards how come u cant do that
Legacy Hydralpha9 votesAs a support player, it takes more than just pinging and warding. You need map awareness, know what to do next, make safe calls, and if you're solo you need to try and control your team from not feeding or going for bad fights.
khorney1 votesthe rest of what u said is every position,,,,,,
50000000000000004 votesI mean, you could make a case that everyone should ping and ward as well.
Jax the Stampede5 votesHe's probably one of those players that flames his 0/5 support for being a bad support without including the 37 assists into it.
A Perfect Hero1 votesI'ver never seen a toplaner do any of this :V
CrimsonDawn774 voteslike playing any position, if you don't know your role, or the matchups well you are at a disadvantage and will lose if everything else is equal. I did that. The problem was fighting.
khorney2 votesthats every position if you dont know your role or champs.... youll lose that has nothing to do with just supp. pretty muich as long
CrimsonDawn773 votesit has to do with supp for me because I don't play support so I didn't know that stuff very well
the whole point of my post was to say that it's bad to get autofilled into a role u don't play
Jax the Stampede3 votesThere is so much more to supporting than that.
Eunson3 votesIf you can't play support you've got other problems hah
CrimsonDawn774 votesyou could say that about any player. any player who gets a role they don't play won't do well, and if everything else is even, will certainly lose. Can i support, yes. Can I do a decent job, yes. Can I out-compete two people who main support and adc, while I main Mid and top? no. That's common sense.
V D2 votesWas this the Sion game from two days ago where you did not build a support item or SS?
CrimsonDawn771 votesya, we were losing so bad, i just decided to go tank, i'd be more useful that way I thought. Maybe a bad call, but again I don't know supp. ps we were losing badly before I got to build much anyways. My adc was far outmatched by the enemy adc, and I certainly contributed to it by not being an effective supp.
ManiacalCoyote1 votesLike being used to not having to babysit idiots.
ForgivenSoul1 votesIts always good to have 2 or 3 champs you can play in each role. You don't have to master all of these champs just enough to get a general idea of what to do in that role. Supporting is a lot about trying to control vision (Getting Vision for your team and denying vision for the enemy) and peeling for your carries. but ill try to highlight a few things if i can to help out a bit.
Hard Engage supports like Leona are counted by poke and disengage
Poke Supports like Zyra and Karma are countered by sustain
and sustain supports like Soraka and Sona are countered by Hard Engage
A good hard engage support right now is Alistar. hes pretty simple as long as your can hit the combo. Good items for him are Knight's Vow, Locket of the Iron Solari and Face of the Mountain
Good Poke supports are Brand and Zyra. Generally they are build more AP heavy so like Sightstone, Frost Queen's Claim then Rylai's Crystal Scepter and Liandry's Torment
Good Sustain Supports are Soraka and Nami. you generally build them more utility then AP. so Coin (best for Soraka) or Spell (good on Nami) then Locket, Redemption, Mikael's.
Good Disengage supports are Janna and Nami. Both are great peelers and Disengagers. More of a utility build on these guys too.
Builds on support are completely up to you tho. As long as you have a sightstone item no one really cares what your build but i'll go through some support items anyways.
Locket of the Iron Solari is a great item. AoE shield and it gives your some Armor and MR. Its a pretty useful item on almost any support.
Ardent Censer is good for if your team has 2 or 3 people who primarily Auto Attack to deal damage. it can be useful if you have a Auto Attack Heavy ADC as well like a Jinx, Vayne, Trist or Twitch. You need a Shield or a heal to proc the effect so Karma, Janna, Nami, and Soraka it works well on.
Mikael's Crucible is also an amazing item. I never see anyone build it anymore tho. Its a targeted CC removal (Suppress and blind aside) it doesn't heal anymore but its great to save a mid laner who maybe doesn't have a QSS or an ADC who has already used theirs.
Zeke's Harbinger is another good item. One time link to an ADC or AP mid and its done. just hang around them, let it fill up and when it procs you both get a free 50% crit and 20% AP. on top of that your get some CDR, Mana, Armor and AP. Work well with Auto Heavy ADC's or crit build ADC's (this item lets a ADC get 100% crit with only 2 crit items)
Boots are normally Mobility or Lucidity. you can go Swiftness if you want or Sorc's if you're a mage support
this was a lot longer then i thought it would be >.>. but it's some of the more basic stuff. feel free to add on to this if you want or ask questions. I hope it helps someone.
CrimsonDawn772 votesThanks for taking your time to provide all that. I have played some Zyra supp, so I kindof know some of it, but as far as ranked level skill and knowledge demands goes I didn't know what I was doing. Autofill in ranked wasn't exactly the time to try it out XD.
The enemy Jarvin IV jungler was fed like Christmas and thanksgiving dinner combined, by mid and top lane. (I guess he didn't come bot for a while because his bot lane was winning) He was literally 20/1/10 at the end of the game. How on the earth do I deal with that as a supp????? The only thing I could think of doing was place deep wards and stay super far away from him, but then the enemy adc just gets to farm, and we lose our towers.
ForgivenSoul1 votesAs Zyra you would want to either burst the jarven if hes squishy or zone/burst his follow up. But it depends on a fight to fight basis. It's hard to say exactly without being there and knowing who was fed and such. But feel free to add me if you need someone to duo q with. I play support and ADC so i can cover those roles. Im around mid silver or so.