Some champions are outclassed and have kit overlaps with other champions

Poske··2 votes·1,107 views

I would like to mention here some champion overlap (Outclass) I am going strictly by the high elo in low elo some stuff might be reversed

IT DOESNT MATTER WHO OUTCLASSES WHO AT GIVEN POINT IN TIME ALTOUGH I AM SURE I LL MAKE NO MISTAKES. Even if you disagree on some overlap this thread is more off here to inspire Riot to actually give me A FKING REASON TO PICK X OVER Y OK?

I ll start with easy ones

As far as midlane goes

Syndra outclasses: Velkoz Brand Veigar Veigar outclasses: Brand Velkoz

If you master syndra the other champions are just weak versions of Syndra.
Luckly Brand is not an ancient gem due to item 3303. Brand niche is being an AOE mage... Oh what a niche not like every mage is an AOE mage, atleast the dot saves him due to gold synergy

You could argue that in Banner meta Veigar was outclassing syndra. But historicly for vast majority of a time syndra is outclassing the other 3 Now the Velkoz true damage niche doesnt exist. There is no point in picking velkoz for the true damage when you can pick others and simply do more magic damage, not to mention that syndra has better CC, Orbwalking potentional, pick of potentional.. ETC

In a World where Voidstaff and to an extent, sorcs and oblivion orb become less relevant Velkoz would have a niche but that never happend and I cant imagine riot gutting last non autistic ap items.

Xerath outclasses : Ziggs

Ziggs Q hitrate against good players is non existant. Infact ziggs is extremly unreliable against good players. The whole waveclear niche he used to have doesnt exist since I cant pin point the excact moment but around late 2014, around that time I had to drop my main because he became irelevant

AP Kaisa Varus Taliyah currently outclass Cassiopeia

Taliyah specificly is simply the best Spam damage mage (this also probably shouldnt exist... she basicly has no cooldown on Culling) She can control just like cass on top of bursting her roam is so much better. She also outclasses Brand, and Velkoz

Ap kaisa we all saw the strats where they funnel gold in her.. yeah those strats ll never happen for cass

Fizz currently outclases Ekko

Statisticly Fizz is top tier atm (lolalytics)

Leblanc Ahri Zoe Ther is a big competition between this 3

You know its bad when a player who had #1 lb world status multiple times and has around 3k games on le blanc since season 1know that he has to swap to zoe if he wants to climb (I personaly dont care that much if I climb atm but if I ever ll, it would be a time i play Zoe and actually max correctly )

I hate how both Ahri and Le blanc were handled to a point I am on the edge of quiting the game The overhyped and overvalued le blanc gut revert perhaps didnt influence much unskilled le blanc players which even 999.999% of LCS players were, but I dont feel like going in detail there is a reason I Invented an insult "Gunblade le blancs" bad players who rushed gunblade basicly and couldnt abuse on hits

As far as Ahri goes, By wanting to give her more burst she just becomes more similar to others, not to mention that The ALWAYS USE E FIRST OR YOU LL DO LESS DAMAGE ON AVERAGE ALREADY FAILED AS AN IDEA... you shoulda change her W

Zoe does more true damage than ahri Zoe has as good if not better CC Zoe has as good if not better mobility, Zoe has way better burst and damage like way better

Ahri mobility is more free but it nowhere near compensates it

Ahri might have better waveclear but her mana problems make that irelevant

If you master zoe ahri is horrendous in comparison

AurelionSol - this thing.. I understand he is a dragon but a Sustained damage insane waveclear Roaming burst mage is perhaps uhm slightly to good

he is pretty much just OP atm. Well he has been consistently OP quite often since his realease. I can list you champions he doesnt outclass it would be a very short list

Swain Vladimir outclass majority if not all juggernauts AKA juggernauts with an actual range, idk what else to say

Pyke Thresh outclass Blitzcrank

This is very obvious

Thresh Q has higher range, yes the pull is smaller but that is widely irelevant since its more then enough + stun duration is quite long Thresh also has good other abilities

As far as pyke well blitz is all about hooking and then having decent damage... pyke is like that to except he has more stuff. In a past atleast blitz would outdamage thresh early but now there is another hook champion who matches blitz damage

Every single enchanter currently outclasses Sona seriously she needs none troll base stats, Riot is afraid of her performance in low elo if buffed Reggardless the assist changes hurt her and ll continue to hurt her if Riot has further ideas she deserves normal base stats

Tanks are horrendous but ussualy

Sejuani / gragas outclasses every other tank Zac outclasses every other tank if farming becomes to easy / none relevant or something

Amumu is always sad, Nautilus is always sad, Rammus is the most irelevant champion in a game for seasons. Even at his insane 60% winrate he was so irelevant to a point i though the sites were fking bugged

Rammus should always have naturaly high winrate after all he is picked against full ad teams almost exclusively

Evelynn apart from recent taliyah jungle there ll never be a reason to pick another ap jungler as long as she is at this state Elise probably isnt outclassed by her I mean she shouldnt be but even despite that she is go to AP jungler in 95% cases

8 Comments

Naymliss1 votes

How does syndra outclass the champions you listed? Syndra is pretty much exclusively single target burst late game, veigar has AOE damage with his W(it's a hell of a lot more than syndra's q and w), and has insane utility with his cage. Brand has AOE burst + dps, he never really specialized in single target burst, he's all about AOE. Vel is a similar case, with teamwide burst with his ulti + poke in lane.

Poske1 votes

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How does syndra outclass the champions you listed? Syndra is pretty much exclusively single target burst late game, veigar has AOE damage with his W(it's a hell of a lot more than syndra's q and w), and has insane utility with his cage. Brand has AOE burst + dps, he never really specialized in single target burst, he's all about AOE. Vel is a similar case, with teamwide burst with his ulti + poke in lane.

Why would I ever pick any of the 2 over syndra?

With Syndra I can pick of from 1500 range, both veigar and velkoz can only pick off from pathetic range to a point they cant pick off With Syndra I can cheese at level 1, I can control scuttle etc With Syndra I can singletarget burst hard AF, veigar requires target to be low

Syndra has higher hitrate on each of her abilities compared to all the other 3 champions you mentioned Syndra can move while casting Majority of her abilities

And no syndra is not singletargeted mage. syndra has 3 aoe abilities one of which has low cooldown

Brand AOE is pathetic. 3 of his abilities have potentional to just be singletargeted, he doesnt burst at all also. Not to mention that after he throws all his 4 abilities he cant do anything for 8 seconds

For a so called AOE mage by riot (which is not a niche since every fking mage in a game does aoe damage) Brand can sometimes feel extremly singletargeted

Look Brand as I said before can still see play due to spellthief. If you are an LCS player for example and decide to main Velkoz / veigar mid I ll assume you dont have enough hands to play syndra...

Naymliss1 votes

Veigar literally presses q---> r mid and late game against squishy targets. Syndra has to set up her spheres AND get them in lethal.

Brand isn't AOE? Ok, you're actually trolling me aren't you. Ok I'm done taking the bait.

Poske1 votes

Oh yeah at minute 70 1400 ap voidstaff veigar can QR a target you are right thats really relevant

Funny because I CALLED Brand an AOE mage because thats the niche RIOT MADE UP FOR BRAND A WHILE BACK

BRAND LL BE LEAGUE PREMIERE AOE MAGE... YEAH EVERY FKING MAGE IS AN AOE MAGE which is why taking mid brand is trolling

For AN AOE MAGE BRAND HAS

3 potentional singletargeted abilities

Q - is always singletargeted E - can easly be singletargeted R - CAN EASLY be single targeted

And in my original post it doesnt matter WHO OUTCLASSES WHO

Eventhough any high elo player can easly realise why Syndra/Taliyah outclass bunch of alike mages but whatever

Give me a reason to PICK BRAND MID other then GETTING ALZHEIMER AND BECOMING DUMB Give me a reason to pick veigar other then syndra being fking banned

Vanic9981 votes

You don’t need to complain riot already said they’d look into some of the champions you listed including Vel’Koz.

Redhood Mon1 votes

i picked Vel'Koz because he can shoot laser from his eye. Syndra can't.

Poske1 votes

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i picked Vel'Koz because he can shoot laser from his eye. Syndra can't.

Yes and some girls pick velkoz because of tentacles... still from a compettetive and winning standpoint you are hindering yourself

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