like ffs dont let them stack at least, like u can't even go into a team fight as an assassin/fighter/ or anyone close range without dyign just because u get cced to death. There isn't even tenacity in the game, how are you going to let fking stuns, roots, slows, fear, and all that stack. Fking riot.
Astôlfo6 votesWell hey, if they all use every CC on you, that means the rest of your team is free to do whatever they want without any risk of CC.
Bultz2 votesWell hey, if they all use every CC on you, that means the rest of your team is free to do whatever they want without any risk of CC.
not really it means its going to be a 4v5, and with most cd items most champions build in game their cc won't be down long.
Astôlfo2 votesUh yeah, except it's still some amount of time where said CC is down. Is your team just going to have a tea party or something and wait patiently for their cooldowns to end?
Ok sure but why2 voteswell, there is tenacity
but i do agree
Bultz2 votes[{quoted}](name=JZ Jora,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wHly4juR,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-08-08T00:10:55.789+0000)
well, there is tenacity
but i do agree
There is, but really it does nothing in all honesty. What are you suppose to do when u get stun in a caitlyn trap, get slowed by ashe, get knocked up by Xin, get hooked by thresh etc, all at once? iand since cool downs are mad low and team well composed of cc can cut down an entire team like butter
oSEXYPLATYPUSo2 votesi agree with you just as long as we nerf the shit out all assassins damage out put, items and increase their cooldowns.
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Bultz2 votes[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wHly4juR,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2016-08-08T00:14:35.447+0000)
i agree with you just as long as we nerf the shit out all assassins damage out put, items and increase their cooldowns.
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But assassin are meant to assassinate, that's like saying let's make tanks not tanky.
Ltank1294 votesBut assassin are meant to assassinate, that's like saying let's make tanks not tanky.
And CC champs are supposed to CC. Learn to dodge or wait for them to blow it before you dive in.
Bultz1 votesAnd CC champs are supposed to CC. Learn to dodge or wait for them to blow it before you dive in.
You can't dodge most cc though and cc champion are not a things. that is not a group or type of champion. CC can range from someone like Xin to someone like nami. and most champions have a form of cc like 90% of champions now a days.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo2 votesbut if you nerf all the things you nerfed tthen you create no counter play to assassins and create an "assassin" meta and we will see comps like :
vs 
every fukin game
Bultz1 votes[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wHly4juR,comment-id=00000000000000000001,timestamp=2016-08-08T00:21:49.198+0000)
but if you nerf all the things you nerfed tthen you create no counter play to assassins and create an "assassin" meta and we will see comps like :
Assassin's are already being nerfed hard core and it's stupid, but assassins are in most games anyways. I'm not saying get ride of cc, but without affective tenacity to build and most cc counters having been nerfed like clarity and Sash, what are you suppose to do to avoid being just ripped apart. Because not only do they have hard core cc, but most of them do a shit ton of damage. So you get stunned and you died.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo2 votesthe meta is a cycle, people bitch about adc are strong or tanks are strong or assassins being strong, its a game of rock paper scissors
tank=rock paper=adc/sustained damage dealers scissors=burst/assassins
paper covers rock, scissors cut paper and rock crushes scissors.
beats , 
beats and beats
that being said more tanks more cc is gonna be picked there is gonna be a tank meta to counter the assassins
remember the 
mid to counter in LCS? why cuz he has a shield, builds hp and armor and has damage reduction. plus a good timed ult by when ults can put in turret range and make him take damage.
Bultz1 votes[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wHly4juR,comment-id=0000000000000000000100000000,timestamp=2016-08-08T00:42:56.186+0000)
the meta is a cycle, people bitch about adc are strong or tanks are strong or assassins being strong, its a game of rock paper scissors
tank=rock paper=adc/sustained damage dealers scissors=burst/assassins
paper covers rock, scissors cut paper and rock crushes scissors.
that being said more tanks more cc is gonna be picked there is gonna be a tank meta to counter the assassins
remember the
I'm not disagreeing with you, but it's cc in general, not a type of champion. Vayne has a knock back, lux has a stun. 90% of champions these days carry a form of cc and some of it is really oppressive. Like take a look at veigar, i've been one hit by hm before i was able to even leave his circle. or vayne who knocks me back and i'm dead before i can do anything because there is no counter play, not much tenacity, and no way around it in the game. Take a look at syndra, if she lands her slow, she kits you and that's that, no counter play. And since most of them are doing crazy damage added to the cc it's bad. Especially if you play a close range champion who isn't a tank.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo2 votesok as far as 
is concern she has issues with champs like who are assassins which have no cc and have burst/gap close.
he is weak vs 
which most of those champs have hard gap closers and burst. also a 
is very effective vs a with flash all in ignite so even if you get caught by his cage the stun dont last due to the shield from and vs a if you dont get 
you are gonna get one shot. but to say their isnt counter play is not true
Handy Sandy 1 votesBut assassin are meant to assassinate, that's like saying let's make tanks not tanky.
They still do. Try playing someone that relies on cc for once like 
, then try playing them without using their cc at all and you will see how much they rely on it, and how hard it is to hit. Assassins still do assassinate, I have tons of problems with people that can get close to be like every assassin ever because since they are so close I can't land my stun properly and misses, but still die in less than 1-2 seconds because they are close range burst champions. Katarina can dodge cc with shunpo, Zed can counter it with his shadow when he switches places with it, everyone with gap closers like Jax and Patheon can jump over it.
Resolution1 votesNot to mention cleanse makes you immune to stuns after. Even if you don't pick it into a hard CC team/there's always the items.
Bultz1 votesNot to mention cleanse makes you immune to stuns after. Even if you don't pick it into a hard CC team/there's always the items.
I've used clearity and all those items before, but one ites a bad composition of items, two most of it was nerfed so it doesn't do much anymore. But with it all combined even it's still almost like nothing compared to how hard cc most champions have.
Ok sure but why1 votescleanse reminds me of that one scene from The Road to El Dorado
cc cleanse "I'm okay!!!" more cc qss "I'm still okay!!!!!" more cc "shit"
IcyPepper2 votesI don't think cc stacks anymore? It has to be chained properly.
Like, if you get two stuns at the same time, both of their timers go tickety tick instead of extending the duration, essentially wasting a portion of the dual cc compared to if it had been chained.
But not stacking them at all would be pointless. If someone lands a cc ability, either through their own efforts or the team's, you get cc'd.
Bultz1 votesI don't think cc stacks anymore? It has to be chained properly.
Like, if you get two stuns at the same time, both of their timers go tickety tick instead of extending the duration, essentially wasting a portion of the dual cc compared to if it had been chained.
But not stacking them at all would be pointless. If someone lands a cc ability, either through their own efforts or the team's, you get cc'd.
They stack i believe, no way the timer on all cc is that long, but no it shouldn't stack, like that's hard core game suppression. I wouldn't mind even if they stacked, but most champs have hard core cc and still do crazy damage. You get stunned and you're dead instantly. it's a bit much.
IcyPepper1 votesThey changed how cc works just to prevent that hard core game suppression.
Say you got hit by two abilities, one stuns you for two seconds, the other three seconds. If they land at the same time, you only get stunned for three seconds total. If the first stun lasts for one second before the other stun hits you, you only get stunned for a total of four seconds.
CC being nulled completely because the target is already under CC is ridiculous.
Bultz1 votesThey changed how cc works just to prevent that hard core game suppression.
Say you got hit by two abilities, one stuns you for two seconds, the other three seconds. If they land at the same time, you only get stunned for three seconds total. If the first stun lasts for one second before the other stun hits you, you only get stunned for a total of four seconds.
CC being nulled completely because the target is already under CC is ridiculous.
I think that only works if they are both considered stuns. You have roots, chains, slows, stuns, fear etc. and most of it stacks, or in my experience has stacked. and in a game where fights are 1-2 seconds, a 3 second stun is op. It completely rips apart a team. Say one member was stunned, well he's as good as dead.
IcyPepper1 votesAnd?
CC is powerful in a teamfight, just as mobility gives a solo champion an advantage in certain circumstances.
Anti-cc options being looked at is one thing, that would add to strategic diversity if there were more options, but flat out nerfing cc? I don't really see any point to that beyond a simple case-by-case basis rather than around the board.
Bultz1 votesAnd?
CC is powerful in a teamfight, just as mobility gives a solo champion an advantage in certain circumstances.
Anti-cc options being looked at is one thing, that would add to strategic diversity if there were more options, but flat out nerfing cc? I don't really see any point to that beyond a simple case-by-case basis rather than around the board.
In a game where fights last 2-5 seconds and stuns or all cc lasts like 3 seconds, it's already op. It's not just power in a team fight it's super oppressive. Like it's so oppressive that it can change a game easily. I mean look at vayne's knock back. Her speed combined with her damage and her knock back alone can 1v1 anyone who hasn't gone stuper tanky. Combine that with a hook or root or any cc and that's game. The problem is most champions with hardcore cc are hard hitters and end you before the cc is up. There being no counter or nerf to it is a bit much.
Dominick Destine2 voteslike ffs dont let them stack at least
u wot m8?
Stuns don't "stack", you don't get "extra stunned"... in fact, stacking stuns would be wasting the stuns.
Bultz1 votes[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wHly4juR,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2016-08-08T00:33:40.119+0000)
u wot m8?
Stuns don't "stack", you don't get "extra stunned"... in fact, stacking stuns would be wasting the stuns.
When i say stuns i mean cc in general, get stunned, then hooked or rooted or anything and tell me how it feels to be killed without any form of counter play.
Handy Sandy 2 votesCC are some squishy champs only defense. They have to kill you while you are stunned before they die since they have such low health and defense.
Look at lux, if you somehow survive her combo then she's so vulnerable...if she even hits her root in the first place. Same with veigar, if you dodge his stun by not touching the walls he will probably retreat since he's defenseless. Morgana, if you dodge her root and can't put tormented ground under you she will retreat. What about Syndra? She stuns you, does her combo. If her stun misses, she can't do anything and she dies. Ahri? If she misses her charm and can't do her combo then she's as good as dead. If Xerath misses HIS stun and you get close to him, he's dead also. You see, if they don't have their cc then they have 0 defenses and would need something else buffed, like health so they can become extremely high damage dealing tanks.
You wanna know a counter? Get cleanse or one of those items that take off or block cc. (Such as , it also gives health)
Keep in mind alot of cc are blocked by minions like 
Bultz1 votesCC are some squishy champs only defense. They have to kill you while you are stunned before they die since they have such low health and defense.
okay, but there is no counter play to it. How is that fair, for them to stun me and insta kill me before I can even get a hit in.
Stray Kat2 votesokay, but there is no counter play to it. How is that fair, for them to stun me and insta kill me before I can even get a hit in.
The counter play is to dodge it. Almost every hard CC ability in the game is a skillshot. In fact, Fiddlesticks, Leo, and Lulu are the only ones I can think of where it's NOT a skillshot. I'm sure there's a few others, but it's few and far between. The counterplay to getting stunned/blown up is to dodge the stun.
Handy Sandy 2 votesokay, but there is no counter play to it. How is that fair, for them to stun me and insta kill me before I can even get a hit in.
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1 800 XANAX1 votes 
tenacity
cc counter
And if you build an ad assassin/any ad ever there is 
Bultz1 votes[{quoted}](name=boosted ape boi,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=wHly4juR,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-08-08T00:12:01.493+0000)
You can't build any of those on a lot of champions, especially a mage/assassin liek Kassadin. But that being said, most of those items including clearly has been nerfed to the point of it doing nothing, but debuffing slows. And all the tenacity combined in game doesn't add up to much.