Zed and Lee have been superseded.

Khristophoros·Mar 12, 2015·6 votes·593 views

There's just way more cancer things now. Are you guys trolling? Like is there some kind of inside joke on boards to continue complaining about Zed and Lee while Nidalee runs around 2 shotting people?

16 Comments

Balderdash1000Mar 12, 20155 votes

Nid got nerfs, and if she's still OP she'll get more. The reason people complain about those two is because they seem largely immune to nerfs, while warping the meta around dealing with them.

Meep ManMar 12, 20151 votes

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Nid got nerfs, and if she's still OP she'll get more. The reason people complain about those two is because they seem largely immune to nerfs, while warping the meta around dealing with them.

Kinda like how Fizz, Kassadin, Talon, etc. were immune to nerfs?

Hoi Im TemmoMar 12, 20151 votes

"were"

You mean "are"

Kass will still see play, and be good. Fizz, an AP MAGE, is going AD and still bursting people. Talon....eh, he was never that great, just better than he is now.

JefftiffyMar 12, 20151 votes

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Nid got nerfs, and if she's still OP she'll get more. The reason people complain about those two is because they seem largely immune to nerfs, while warping the meta around dealing with them.

Zed hasn't been around as strong for awhile. And Lee has been average since S3 (when I started playing this).

WolfChasesMar 12, 20151 votes

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Nid got nerfs, and if she's still OP she'll get more. The reason people complain about those two is because they seem largely immune to nerfs, while warping the meta around dealing with them.

I wouldn't call Zed imune to nerfs tho....He was literally UNTOUCHED after the last nerfs at the end of season 3 when Riot changed his ultimate. Zed got only that small QOL change few months ago...repeating FEW MONTHS ago. His damage is the same, his play style is the same, the only thing he got is that unit collision thingy and the ability to appear behind the enemy instead of in front of the enemy after he uses his R. The point is that Zed is not even close to OP.

I have to agree that he is a bit of PAIN to deal with currently but as I mentioned, it's not about Zed being OP, it's because Riot messed up mana regeneration. Just imagine if current Zed would be considered OP if Unholy Grail wasn't nerfed? Just imagine how painful for Zed would be to lane against Ziggs , Orianna or Xerath who can constantly throw their spells as soon as they are off CD because they cant run oom?

Why Zed isn't IMUNE to nerfs? Simply because he got that QOL few months ago and not like 2 or 3 years ago and he is not top tier as long as LeeSin who's dominating jungle for 3 damn seasons.

Do not get me wrong, I am not ''protecting my main'' because I play jungle and IT IS hard for me to gank Zed , but you know that Zed has to go all IN to do something....Every single time I see Zed in Enemy team I pick Maokai or Sejuani jungle ans Ult him/Root him as soon as he uses his ultimate and there we go GG, he either dies or recast his ultimate and watch my team annihilating his team.

As for Nidalee , he is the worst damn champion to deal with. At 1st Riot wanted to NERF damage on her SPEAR and compensate her with Cougar form at lvl 1.....wait....Her spear still hurts as heck and believe me or not, yesterday she ALMOST 1 shooted my ADC in late game with a single Q..and where's her cat form? She's unfair and she will be unfair until Riot decides if she is supposed to be a poke mage, assassin or a melee fighter with ranged debuff which increases her damage in melee form.....She is NOT supposed to bee all in one..She can poke the shit out of your team, she can assassinate you and she can duel as well with proper kiting and traps.

In order to clearly see how Nidalee is unfair just compare her with Elise ...Both of them are having 2 forms but Nidalee has more damage in both, retarded mobility, better objective control, better sustain, better poke, better all in and DON'T you say that Elise has a stun because her cocoon is nerfed as fu*k and is so unreliable skill shoot.

TeemoJenkinsMar 12, 20152 votes

Yes, they love listening to stupid dipshit children use cancer as an adjective.

thinking manMar 13, 20151 votes

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Yes, they love listening to stupid dipshit children use cancer as an adjective.

Cancer also has an alternative definition of meaning something evil or malicious that is very difficult to exterminate. Merriam-Webster and TheFreeDictionary both recognize this as a definition and continuing to act offended is just ignorant.

Hoi Im TemmoMar 12, 20152 votes

If you can dodge a wrench, you can dodge a spear.

No seriously though: while Nid IS a problem, that doesnt not balance zed and lee XD

KhristophorosMar 12, 20151 votes

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If you can dodge a wrench, you can dodge a spear.

No seriously though: while Nid IS a problem, that doesnt not balance zed and lee XD

Nid is just one of many examples.

Hoi Im TemmoMar 13, 20151 votes

Examples like Lee, and Zed....

OhOkYeaMar 12, 20151 votes

Nid isn't even that good. She can only do top/mid/jungle/support and sometimes ADC. but her ADC is pretty pointless so she's not as strong as you think.

KhristophorosMar 12, 20151 votes

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Nid isn't even that good. She can only do top/mid/jungle/support and sometimes ADC. but her ADC is pretty pointless so she's not as strong as you think.

omg she can only do like 4 roles! that sucks!!

and she only 2 shots people while being one of the hardest champions to catch! complete garbage tbh!!

Hoi Im TemmoMar 12, 20152 votes

I think he was being sarcastic....

JefftiffyMar 12, 20151 votes

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Nid isn't even that good. She can only do top/mid/jungle/support and sometimes ADC. but her ADC is pretty pointless so she's not as strong as you think.

Kayle used to be able to as well. Look what happened to her. Went straight from pick or ban to meh pick because she abused the fuck out of item 3085 just like Kalista does. And look what's slowly happening to Kalista.

But she at least had a ramp up and wasn't that scary jungling. Nidalee can kill or maim someone before they can even see her as jungler and if she doesn't can just walk in and put sheer pressure because she exists in the lane. Kayle at least had the window with no ult. Nidalee is the window in which her spear is down and she has no traps.

FHMarshyMar 12, 20151 votes

Watch out for all the Zed and Lee whinners will come and down vote your threads lol

Lil SoybeanMar 13, 20151 votes

The only meaningful change to Zed was his popularity going down.

That is how these things work. Slight balance changes, people try other things out. Stuff stays broken but becomes less popular, so people don't see it as a major problem. It's the same reason people assume champions that are almost never played are terrible. If they're used more often, you're more aggravated by them, have to deal with their BS more. Then someone like Hecarim goes toplane and - surprise surprise - he's actually strong. Before they started taking him top, how many would have called him weak and useless? No, I mean, be honest. How many people would have said Hecarim was trash, without knowing his strength? When you rarely see a champion, you assume they're supbar.

In a similar vein, Zed's popularity in solo queue going down (despite barely being scratched by the atk speed nerf) did not make him any less overbearing. He simply is less popular, and so less people are overwhelmed by facing his overloaded kit in almost every single game. The more you have to deal with a broken champion, the more stressful it is, and thus the more of a problem they feel like.

Isn't Zed somewhere around 13-2 in the LCS right now? As in, W/L ratio? Remember that game where Xiaoweixiao (I might've spelled that wrong) dominated with Karthus, so Zed casually went botlane and splitpush constantly all the way to the inhibitor? THE EXACT THING THE ATTACK SPEED NERF WAS SUPPOSED TO ADDRESS?

Nothing meaningful changed but his popularity.