I'm sitting on 162,000 BE and I have nothing compelling to buy with it. I have all champs.
I just got a chest from a hard earned S score. It had a single champion shard and nothing else.
Every level up it's a champ capsule with some shards I turn into more BE. Even the multiples of 10 that have a "better" capsule are usually just BE.
But most of all I can't believe chests sometimes only have champ shards.
Dead flag blues39 votes
SEKAI1 votes[{quoted}](name=Dead flag blues,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vJX9NXBQ,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-03-29T09:58:10.726+0000)
Hello friend
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How much money did you waste on buying Hextech chests with RP?
Dead flag blues22 votesHow much money did you waste on buying Hextech chests with RP?
I never bought Hextech chests with RP, these are either from capsules or from chests earned (I used to get a lot of them when IP was still there). I was sitting at 200k + BE after the change to IP -> BE, got Urfwick and a few emotes and since this I just don't have anything to buy anymore, hence not disenchanting champion shards (I have around 25k BE now)
ModAcademy Kayn1 votesGotta catch 'em all, gotta catch 'em all.
Laphingman9 votesI agree 100%. But even so its also sucks from a beginners prospective because you get like garbo amounts of BE from those champ capsules and even then you cant just go "I wanna buy X champion because of Y reasons" anymore because the rate at witch you get BE is trash in the first place the only way to unlock champs effectively is just to unlock what they give witch doesn't really empower the statement of play what you want kind of game anymore witch is just plain BS for anybody wanting to really get a feel for the game and even if you went and unlocked that 6300 champ you really wanted you still will be like whelp still cant play draft or ranked because I only own one or two champs at level 30 because woohoo all the champ shards you get early are pretty much 450 champ shards that a good amount of people don't want.
Kind of went on a huge tangent there sry about that.
Jamaree9 votesI agree 100%. But even so its also sucks from a beginners prospective because you get like garbo amounts of BE from those champ capsules and even then you cant just go "I wanna buy X champion because of Y reasons" anymore because the rate at witch you get BE is trash in the first place the only way to unlock champs effectively is just to unlock what they give witch doesn't really empower the statement of play what you want kind of game anymore witch is just plain BS for anybody wanting to really get a feel for the game and even if you went and unlocked that 6300 champ you really wanted you still will be like whelp still cant play draft or ranked because I only own one or two champs at level 30 because woohoo all the champ shards you get early are pretty much 450 champ shards that a good amount of people don't want.
Kind of went on a huge tangent there sry about that.
Actually, while the system is far worst for vets who already have everything, for someone leveling up for the first time, it is miles better. Between 1 to 30, you outright get more BE then you would IP (as long as you are disenchanting champions), and you get more with the current system then the old from 30 to 35, while the amount drops off from 35 to 50, the system is better as long as you are actively using the price reduction system.
Ztoka2 votesI disagree very strongly.. The only way you can remotely get a decent amount of champs through the new system is take the garbage they give you in the chests. If your RNG is good, you might luck out.. If it is like mine, you won't get a champ shard you are about a majority of the time.
I actually made a new account to test this compared to a lvl 30 account I had leveled before the change..
New account is lvl 18 and so far, the account has 12 champs. 11 champs I wanted, the other was the free Garen. Trist, cait, ashe and brand were free for getting the first few levels.. So on the new account, so far, I have purchased 7 champs that I wanted.. Of those purchased champs, the most expensive one I have purchased is 
for 3150 be.
Old account had 25 champs all of which I purchased w/ ip lvling to 30. Several of those champs were/are 4800-6300be champs.
W/ as slowly as be accumulates, I can't see unlocking the 13 champs I want by the time I hit 30 like I did w/ the old account(s).
Jamaree3 votesI disagree very strongly.. The only way you can remotely get a decent amount of champs through the new system is take the garbage they give you in the chests. If your RNG is good, you might luck out.. If it is like mine, you won't get a champ shard you are about a majority of the time.
I actually made a new account to test this compared to a lvl 30 account I had leveled before the change..
New account is lvl 18 and so far, the account has 12 champs. 11 champs I wanted, the other was the free Garen. Trist, cait, ashe and brand were free for getting the first few levels.. So on the new account, so far, I have purchased 7 champs that I wanted.. Of those purchased champs, the most expensive one I have purchased is
Old account had 25 champs all of which I purchased w/ ip lvling to 30. Several of those champs were/are 4800-6300be champs.
W/ as slowly as be accumulates, I can't see unlocking the 13 champs I want by the time I hit 30 like I did w/ the old account(s).
That is false and impossible, and we have raw numbers to prove it. So, assuming that you are god like, every game is a win, you play ten games a day, and each one is thirty minutes, it takes 202 games to get from level 1 to 30.
With the old system, factoring in first win of the day, you will reach an end goal of 20637 IP, with the current system, it is impossible to get a hard exact of how much BE you get from 1 to 30, however, we do have youtube videos such as this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25CWE4zXKfk&t=31s
That the end goal of BE will get you 22 k if not more BE (from disenchanting of course.)
The system only slows down past level 35 and I have done the math of that in another post, between 35 to 50, you lose around 400 to 800 IP that you would of had from the old system. For vets, the system is slower because the chance of them getting the new champion from a chest on release is low as fuck, for first time players, it is faster and the math proves that.
Ztoka1 votesCall it false and impossible all you want. That is my account... So, as it seems, it is QUITE possible. I wish it weren't so but I'm in the process of it. Call it crap rng or w/e you want, but that's my situation through lvl 18. Will have a better comparison in 12 lvls... Just doesn't seem like I will have the champ pool I had when I hit 30 on the other account(s). My RNG luck is garbage and that has been trolling me hard it seems.. Again, alt account.. Maybe play 1-2 games per day w/ it. Maybe a total of 4-5 games a day through my accounts if I am lucky.. Old account was lvled by getting one win per day to get the ip bonus. Rare occasions I would play a gamer or two once I had the bonus but it was very rare.. Same as I shoot for on this account, get the first win and swap to main account or something where all my champs/skins are. Just making this to see how my champ pool compares. People can show numbers all they want but as long as rng is involved, it will never be accurate. Can't tell you how many 450-1350 champs I have gotten so far that are crap, and when melted don't return much be.. Like I said in the above statement, other than the few nice free champs they give you.. ashe cait brand, I havne't gotten a single champ shard from a lvl chest that I have any interest in.. Tons of nunu/amumu shards though..
Jamaree2 votesCall it false and impossible all you want. That is my account... So, as it seems, it is QUITE possible. I wish it weren't so but I'm in the process of it. Call it crap rng or w/e you want, but that's my situation through lvl 18. Will have a better comparison in 12 lvls... Just doesn't seem like I will have the champ pool I had when I hit 30 on the other account(s). My RNG luck is garbage and that has been trolling me hard it seems..
No, it literally isn't possible, even if your RNG is shit, you can't get less then a bare minimum of 20 k with the new system and that is assuming you get all the worst possible RNG AND not factoring in first win of the day as well.
Just making this to see how my champ pool compares. People can show numbers all they want but as long as rng is involved, it will never be accurate. Can't tell you how many 450-1350 champs I have gotten so far that are crap, and when melted don't return much be.. Like I said in the above statement, other than the few nice free champs they give you.. ashe cait brand, I havne't gotten a single champ shard from a lvl chest that I have any interest in.. Tons of nunu/amumu shards though..
Yeah of course it will never be accurate, there will be those players who only get the bare minimum of chest over and over and even with the bad luck prevention, it is gonna happen, that is just how RNG goes, however, the flip side will also occur with players getting the outright best options over and over level after level.
Also yeah, you get lower flat amounts of champions while leveling, the system doesn't start coming into swings until level 30 when the flat amounts you can get taper off and the new minimum becomes 820.
Ztoka1 votesWatched that video btw.. Ya, he has much better rng than me. If my luck were like his, I wouldn't be posting here.. Maybe I'll get a horseshoe stuck up my ass for the next 12 lvls and it will balance out.
Tomoe Gozen8 votesbecause the rate at witch you get BE is trash in the first place
That's factually incorrect. Riot had their entire post about math and graphs of BE VS IP gain and this system gives you more. The problem you have is that now you're no longer getting IP drips after each game but a big BE infusion after a level up. This gives you an illusion that you're not progressing towards buying champs faster because you have level up gaps in between. However, you have FotD that gives you flat 50 BE a day, which avoids those specific problems of being a few BE short of buying a champ and having to actually wait to level up again in order to purchase.
Furthermore, getting the champ shards you actually want is good (from level up capsules). If you're spending a shard to purchase a champion, you get that champion at a BE discount of 40%. So if you get Vi (for example) who costs 6300 BE in the store, spending a shard from the loot menu to upgrade it to champion permanent costs you 3780 BE.
Spending the same champion shard (if you own them already) on Mastery level 6 or 7 saves you respectively 2450 and 2850 BE. But level 7 requires two champion shards.
Wrong
Tomoe Gozen5 votes[{quoted}](name=Lucky Moniker,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vJX9NXBQ,comment-id=000200010000,timestamp=2018-03-29T15:51:58.753+0000)
Wrong
If you're one of those people who doesn't want to "believe" in evidence that's supported by the math, there's really nothing to discuss with you. Your feelings don't matter in this argument, only facts do.
Corrupt Bliss2 votesI love when they state 'wrong' and then never say anything else. What a substantive comment. /s
Tomoe Gozen1 votes[{quoted}](name=Corrupt Bliss,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vJX9NXBQ,comment-id=00020001000000000000,timestamp=2018-03-30T02:25:05.166+0000)
I love when they state 'wrong' and then never say anything else. What a substantive comment. /s
If you think you know something is wrong about something, then it's safe to assume that you at least can point out what that thing is? Or maybe he just didn't agree with what i said?
Lucky Moniker1 votes/sarcasm
Lucky Moniker1 votesYup that’s the meme.
Slythion1 votesAh yes, a truly magnificent rebuttal. Thanks for that quality reply man, great work! Keep it up!
Lucky Moniker1 votesShitposting at its finest!
Slythion1 votesNot a shitpost if it has no substance. It could be considered bait, in which you would seem like you're covering for yourself, but it's not a shitpost
Lucky Moniker1 votesNah I was just shitposting, no srs
Jamaree5 votesBE shop should be a year round thing, and yes, yes the system is worst for vets.
Player3Th0mas4 votesOK at all what's the difference between this and having all champs and runes when IP was a thing?
saltran1 votesOK at all what's the difference between this and having all champs and runes when IP was a thing?
NONE, in fact this system is BETTER since he will be able to buy skins like WW Urf (and maybe the release more like this) and the 3 gemstones you can buy, or a few really expensive emotes, or buy a the BlueEsence Ward and the chibi random icons. All you have to do is wait until the BlueE shop is opened again.
I really can't believe that this shitpost is in the front page with 67 upvotes currently.
DrTeath1 votesBecause it should never have closed in the first place .
It should have been kept around with a rotating stock.
AbiwonKenabi1 votesOr at least some kind of limited availability thing. Like every few months the BE store is available for X amount of time.
Khristophoros2 votes{quoted} I really can't believe that this shitpost is in the front page with 67 upvotes currently.
Maybe it's because the loot system constantly leaves people feeling disappointed idk just a guess
GNPLOL3 votesI agree*[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]*
Taliyah Rocks3 votesi must have almost 4000 games played, only 110 out of 140 champions, yet i still manage to be out of BE. I only have 11k BE right now :(
Seriously the rate of BE gain is horrible. Happily for me i pretty much have everything i already want to have, but i still struggle to save up the ressources for future champions and Mastery 6-7 upgrades.
It must be hell for new players trying to buy new champions. Sure you get champion shards on every level up that you can roll for cheap, but it must be hell to get the neccessary BE to unlock a desired champion for which you don't have a shard for.
Lleajy1 votesUnless you did many name changes, there's no way you don't have all the champ with 4k game.
I've all of them and still 16k, and I'm under 4000, even if you count the rankeds.
5050BS3 votesYa I have 140k and wish there was Emotes I could buy with it. I just wait for the next champ to come out and thats it.....
Durzaka3 votesok.
But let me ask you this. In the old system what were you getting for playing? IP?
For what? New runes? You already owned all the champions. You were literally in the exact same position as you are right now, just with a different currency.
Khristophoros1 votesok.
But let me ask you this. In the old system what were you getting for playing? IP?
For what? New runes? You already owned all the champions. You were literally in the exact same position as you are right now, just with a different currency.
How is the old system relevant? It sucked too. The new system also sucks.
Durzaka1 votesBecause youve already fucking completed the god damn game.
Youve unlocked ALL of the relevant content. Why does the game need to keep rewarding you? You got your reward, you own all of the champions in the game now. How is that not good enough for you?
MagicalDemons2 votesdon't worry in just 8 months you can have full access to the BE shop again !
[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]
Tomoe Gozen1 votesdon't worry in just 8 months you can have full access to the BE shop again !
[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]
I think the point of a "Blue Essence Emporium" is for it to be open few times a season. It's not a convenience store. It allows players with an excess of BE to stock up over the season and then RIot to stock it up with content that's to be sold for BE. It was open at the start of the Season 8 with URFwick being the big thing and sure, not many players wanted that or had to spend that amount. However, chromas were there as well.
https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/115014872088-The-Essence-Emporium-FAQ
big boi edri2 votesThink of it this way: if you ever have an amazing name change idea, you'll always be able to use it.
Milleinia2 votesI just wish things like emotes, summoner icons, or wards were BE just a few of them not all obviously. I'm fine with OE staying with skins but everything additional or cosmetic shouldn't be all RP/OE unfair to players who can't spend 15$ on emotes, ward skins and summoner icons vs. a good legendary skin.
fatherdarius2 votesI think it would pretty cool if you could gift people on your friends list things like summoner icons, etc using BE. Maybe have them be expensive... but it could give people something to sink their BE into, and show your friends you care. :D
LordGeovanni2 votesthats why they increased mastery level 6 and 7 as an ip sink
Dope Solo2 votesTo be fair, the loot system is terrible for everyone. I really miss being able to buy the champs I wanted with IP directly. Waiting to get enough BE fom disenchanting champs I don't want is a runaround.
Lakega2 votesI keep seeing these threads of people with everything in the game whining like children that a loot system isn't giving them anything tangible... lawls?
Well no shit shirlock...
What do you want from them? Should a Riot employee come over to your house and give you a backrub and free dinner?
Make suggestions if anything of something Riot could put into the game to buy with BE...
Off the top of my head... *Diff voice announcers.. *Diff UI skins. *Diff Map skins.. LIterally just an overlay map skin change. Map itself isn't changed, just the look. Colors, etc on your end. *Emotes that don't cost an extortionate amount in BE. *Name Changes
Deneviel2 votesIMO They "missed" the chance with the Emote system.
Emote for BE would have been a great way to soak Essence for older player, but guess it was way better make to us pay in order to express something with a 15 min created art.
Also yeah ... the new chest system totally suck.
Trias0002 votesThe BE shop will return soon™
TyroneWatermelon2 votesIt sucks even more as a veteran who paid a lot of money throughout the years
Lord Phazanor 1 votesI don't understand why did they merge IP and BE but not RP and OE. That would have actually made sense AND we wouldn't feel so ripped off. Getting something with OE would still be long, but at least you would be able to get what you want.
Tomoe Gozen6 votesI don't understand why did they merge IP and BE but not RP and OE. That would have actually made sense AND we wouldn't feel so ripped off. Getting something with OE would still be long, but at least you would be able to get what you want.
Because RP is bought for money. OE is not. If you're merging OE with RP, you're doing yourself quite a disfavor if you're a company because then people have even less incentives to buy the currency that sustains you - pays off employees and makes future development possible.
Lord Phazanor 1 votes[{quoted}](name=Tomoe Gozen,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vJX9NXBQ,comment-id=00050001,timestamp=2018-03-29T14:19:10.829+0000)
Because RP is bought for money. OE is not. If you're merging OE with RP, you're doing yourself quite a disfavor if you're a company because then people have even less incentives to buy the currency that sustains you - pays off employees and makes future development possible.
By this logic, they shouldn't have orange and blue essence at all.
Tomoe Gozen5 votesBy this logic, they shouldn't have orange and blue essence at all.
Except that isn't true. OE is a currency you can't buy but it's somewhat equivalent to RP and it's limited through a Hextech system. Disenchant cosmetic content and get OE and then collect enough OE to craft yourself a skin worth a specific amount of RP. The same goes for BE except that works for champions.
These currencies were specifically designed from the start in order for us to unlock our own content we like in the game. League was never meant to be a game with every champion available.
