This idea would streamline and improve the ARAM experience. Whenever you reroll the champion is put into the discard pool. Anyone can trade their current champ for any champ in the discard pool. So no more "anyone want?" and you can just reroll without asking. No more being disappointed when somebody rerolls a champ you would have traded for.
LostFr0st25 votesThat's a really cool idea. I agree it can get rather frustrating losing a champ like that.
Would also need to put a timer on the champ after discard of like 10 seconds though, because re-rolled champs end up in both team's pools right now.
Khristophoros33 votesThat's a really cool idea. I agree it can get rather frustrating losing a champ like that.
Would also need to put a timer on the champ after discard of like 10 seconds though, because re-rolled champs end up in both team's pools right now.
I think the pools should be separate for each team. Rerolling shouldn't let the other team grab the champ. It should just make it available for your team.
LostFr0st2 votesNo, then you'll get some weird meta where the ARAM-onlys reroll good champs to lock them out from the enemy team, only to grab them before the game starts to "compose their team."
There's also a problem for minimum champ requirements to play ARAM. Idk if even with the expanded free rotation if it's big enough if they all RR?
Khristophoros10 votesNo, then you'll get some weird meta where the ARAM-onlys reroll good champs to lock them out from the enemy team, only to grab them before the game starts to "compose their team."
I won't put it past them to do that. Even if they don't, people will think they did that if they get all crap champs.
There's also a problem for minimum champ requirements to play ARAM. Idk if even with the expanded free rotation if it's big enough if they all RR?
It shouldn't lock the champs out of being randomly rolled for the other team.
Riot should really add a draft mode for Howling Abyss.
LostFr0st4 votes
- It shouldn't lock the champs out of being randomly rolled for the other team.
Won't they know what they grabbed then if it disappears since there's no mirror matchups? Or is that even an issue?
I guess it could change their rune selection a bit to tip in their favour? Maybe a stretch though.
- Riot should really add a draft mode for Howling Abyss.
Idk about a draft mode, but a ranked mode with all champs unlocked would be really hype.
They could add an algorithm for balancing the initial team picks too so the matchups are "relatively" fair.
Khristophoros2 votesWon't they know what they grabbed then if it disappears since there's no mirror matchups? Or is that even an issue?
I guess it could change their rune selection a bit to tip in their favour? Maybe a stretch though.
Idk about a draft mode, but a ranked mode with all champs unlocked would be really hype.
They could add an algorithm for balancing the initial team picks too so the matchups are "relatively" fair.
Mirror matches would be possible. I think it already is actually.
LostFr0st4 votesNot in ARAM. They are allowed in Poro King, but's that's an entirely different game with it's own meta due to the restriction of the Summoner Spells.
Khristophoros2 votesNot in ARAM. They are allowed in Poro King, but's that's an entirely different game with it's own meta due to the restriction of the Summoner Spells.
Either way it would allow for a better experience if mirror matches were allowed.
Well alternatively, all potential rerolls can be generated before the players even reroll. So the server knows which champs each player will get by rerolling, but the players don't know. It would allow for mirror matches to be avoided in all cases and prevent all abuse.
It Hertz When IP1 votesDear God...
ARAM uses a randomized Blind Pick. The same champion can appear on both teams. That is how it is. That is how it has always been. There isn't one pool for both teams (besides the obvious relying on who owns what champions). When you reroll a champion, it does not affect the enemy team in any way at all.
Krofinn5 votes[{quoted}](name=It Hertz When IP,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=nAbe0jE0,comment-id=00000000000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2017-10-28T14:30:27.188+0000)
Dear God...
ARAM uses a randomized Blind Pick. The same champion can appear on both teams. That is how it is. That is how it has always been. There isn't one pool for both teams (besides the obvious relying on who owns what champions). When you reroll a champion, it does not affect the enemy team in any way at all.
ARAM USED to allow mirror matches, back when it was on SR as an unsupported game mode. It doesn't anymore.
Friendly Ram1 votesisn't that called poro king?
Hyrum Graff3 votesNo, then you'll get some weird meta where the ARAM-onlys reroll good champs to lock them out from the enemy team, only to grab them before the game starts to "compose their team."
I don't think that would happen. If you have a good champ, that champ is already not available to the enemy team. All using an rr would do in that situation is allow you to deny another champ from the enemy team... but you dont know which one it will be, or whether they already have good champs, or whether they already rr'd before you..
You bring up aram only accounts -- ones that only have OP champs unlocked -- as a way to guarantee that you'll get a good champ with your rr. It's true that the discard idea would allow those accounts to effectively rr for someone else, even if they don't own the other person's champ. I agree this behavior is problematic, but I don't think it is very much worse than aram only accounts existing in the first place. And, if it turned out that it actually is a bigger problem, we could lower the base rate at which rerolls are generated and increase the bonus for owning many champs.
With the exception of the aram only account problem, this change would be really, really nice. Considering that ARAM only accounts are a very small % of accounts and the analysis above (it's a small problem that we have a way to address) I think this is a net positive change.
LostFr0st1 votesYou bring up aram only accounts -- ones that only have OP champs unlocked -- as a way to guarantee that you'll get a good champ with your rr. It's true that the discard idea would allow those accounts to effectively rr for someone else, even if they don't own the other person's champ. I agree this behavior is problematic, but I don't think it is very much worse than aram only accounts existing in the first place. And, if it turned out that it actually is a bigger problem, **we could lower the base rate at which rerolls are generated and increase the bonus for owning many champs. **
I think I just thought of how to maybe fix it by reading your comment.
Just use up another reroll when you grab from the discard pile. Right now people end up rerolling again anyways most of the time so maybe that would balance it.
Therefore, I don't think we'd even need to touch the reroll rate, depending on how often someone actually gets stuck with a champ with no rerolls when they would have traded.
(I don't have stats like that, but Riot might be able to ballpark it if they decided that such a stat was of value.)
FakeGravity1 votesyou are already looked from getting sona if you reroll and the other team have her, this would change nothing, if you have sona you dont want to reroll her, in the new system even if you reroll her the enemy team cant get it only makes a difference if you reroll something good and get something better but that get balanced by the fact that any terrible champion you or the enemy get and reroll is also locked
LostFr0st1 votesThe idea is this: (before I start, yes it's "rare" but it's still encountered and annoying. It's like the box-hunting strat premades use)
Lets say all of the champs themselves are great alone but the comp as a whole sucketh. So, they get Sona and whoever else then discard some of them (unlocking new champs to form the team from). They get a dud+a good champ to round out the team. Now trade in the dud for a good ARAM champ that was re-rolled and we have a really good comp with very strong champions.
OyddAWqJ5r1 votes...Wouldn't they like... play them instead? Uh...
LostFr0st1 votesDue to the acc's champ bias (even if ARAM-only accs are rare) they can afford to re-roll and then re-grab if they get something "less good;" either way they win.
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What do I have to sacrifice to summon Meddler to this thread?
AngelFrost001 votesYou're account XD.
Khristophoros2 votesYou're account XD.
Hmmm... Not worth
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vinabomb1 votesProbably you would need a ritual card and enough material for a level 12 as well as maybe one of the material being 'Being on top of the boards at the same time rioters decide to check the boards.' Bit too niche if you ask me.
FutureCreator3 votesAll the parts of the Forbidden Ranged Poke.
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Miku Lv998 votesThis is a great idea. Also when you reroll, you shouldn't be able to get a champion already in the discard pool.
Khristophoros1 votes[{quoted}](name=Miku Lv99,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=nAbe0jE0,comment-id=000f,timestamp=2017-10-28T17:18:50.970+0000)
This is a great idea. Also when you reroll, you shouldn't be able to get a champion already in the discard pool.
Well of course, otherwise it would be possible to have dupes on your team. Say you get Blitz, and then you reroll another Blitz, and then somebody takes him out of the discard pool. Sounds pretty balanced to me.
Rengooo6 votesDayum, this is an awesome idea!
It also solves the problem where you want their champ but you cant trade because they don't have yours.
Love it!
mahnig4 votesThis is a good idea, but one step at a time! First the randomizer has to be fixed. It's not really random and tends to trend toward the same champs repeatedly every week. Especially free rotation. So much free rotation prioritization over owned champs. </unhelpfulrant>
Heriba1 votesyea RNG my ass this weekend i had kled like 6 times, 4 in a row, but jinx not in months wtf, lulu yea never got her, akali/katarina only when their team has fucktons of spameable hard cc, our team only has slows and squishy as fuck? they got tryndamere/yi/kata yea very all random
mahnig1 votesHaha... yeah... And don't even get me started on using all rerolls and being given free rotation every time... :'(
Count Buffon3 votesKeep the R in ARAM. Abolish rerolls and trades. Unlock all champions in the game mode.
(- Two cents)
EndlessCycle1 votesThat would be perfect for a "Ranked" ARAM game mode, if they ever decide to do it just for fun. But I think normal should stay the same.
LichKing2341 votesRanked Aram...... oh god just imagine the horror [sg-janna]
Heriba1 votesif rito dont want to unlock all champs, why not merged champ pool for your team(only one random player on your team with lots of champs destroys aram accounts crap), and is posible since they did it for nemesys mode
Cool Pajamas2 votesI really like this idea. I think it would be great to see it implemented into the game. Sure, you can group with a squad and group reroll to see all the options, but rerolls are limited and people don't always have them or want to use them. Sounds perfectly fair and would add an interesting dynamic to the "champ select" of ARAM.
Knalxz2 votesYou should call it the Graveyard so YouTubers can thumbnail it for the second reason and to also draw in Yugioh fans and to seem like Riot was one of us back in the day kind of deal.
I7A6X2v22 votesYes please!
Macalla2 votesWhat I would like to see is the ability to decide a list of champs within my owned champs that I could mark as don't pick in ARAMS. By buying packages I ended up with so many champs I just have no business trying to play; I am so awful with them.
Professor Ward2 votesProbably play more arams than 99% of the playerbase and i 100% agree with this idea. Awesome.
Khristophoros2 votesWow this is blowing up. The people want it. Rito plz.
ModFrom The Cosmos2 votesI support this decision.
Let us chant the ancient words of our people to call upon the gods to review this possible change.
rito plz
BoNaFiDeOuTkAsT2 votesWhy hasn't RIOT responded to this yet.
I will bump this thread for life.
+1 genius.
Khristophoros2 votesWhy hasn't RIOT responded to this yet.
I will bump this thread for life.
+1 genius.
I think they hate me [sg-soraka]
BoNaFiDeOuTkAsT1 votesStill no response from RIOT. I still think it's a grand idea.
Edres2 votesIt sounds like a great idea, but the only concern I have is that what happens when you discard a champion then want it back? Example: Lets say you got Blitzcrank, but you don't feel like playing him, so you reroll and get Nunu. If this mechanic can restrict you to not get back your champions, it would be great, but if It doesn't, then that means you'll just be seeing op champs in ARAM.
Khristophoros2 votesIt sounds like a great idea, but the only concern I have is that what happens when you discard a champion then want it back? Example: Lets say you got Blitzcrank, but you don't feel like playing him, so you reroll and get Nunu. If this mechanic can restrict you to not get back your champions, it would be great, but if It doesn't, then that means you'll just be seeing op champs in ARAM.
I don't see the problem. Most of the time people don't reroll the strong champs so we wouldn't see a significant increase in those champs anyway.
On the other hand, if you got a kinda weak champ and reroll into an even weaker one, this would save you. That's really good right?
Khristophoros1 votesrito plz
Khristophoros1 votesThis still needs to happen
Khristophoros1 votesHow many instant rerolls must we endure
