Why can Rengar toss Bola mid-jump but Kha'zix can't?

Shroom Junkie·Oct 25, 2015·13 votes·2,026 views

^ Seems a little stupid. Rengar is way better than Kha'zix already, why does he have to be that much better better because he doesn't have a limitation that Kha does?

43 Comments

EnvironmentalistOct 25, 201532 votes

Seems obvious? Kha doesn't have bola's to toss.

Prospector PeteOct 25, 20152 votes

Shroom JunkieOct 25, 20157 votes

... Meant to point out Kha's spikes... then forgot. My sins have been punished.

Best Darius KROct 25, 20152 votes

Are you talking about his W? That functionality was removed a long time ago when his W still applied passive

Shroom JunkieOct 25, 20151 votes

But why can't he do it anymore? He was already nerfed a ton, why do they need to keep that when his W doesn't anymore?

RouterSmiterOct 25, 20151 votes

Kha'zix jump is an ability when rengars is his passive. Kha'zix already gets cc on his auto attacks, In addition q and tiamat animations cancel the w animation, kha'zix isn't ment to delete the carrys like rengar, but catch targets out solo

Shroom JunkieOct 25, 20153 votes

Kha'zix's "cc" on his auto attacks is only after the enemy can't see him, and is a mild slow of 25% for 2 seconds. It shouldn't even matter because he's an assassin, he's supposed to burst not care about MS.

And yes, Kha'zix is supposed to delete champs. He's an assassin. That's what assassins do. The only difference is they decided to make Kha'zix only burst potential against targets caught out whereas Rengar can just autodelete anyone that has health/armor within his burst range. Idk why they don't let Kha'zix do it too and I'm fine with that if they wouldn't put Rengar ahead of him in every way. Kha'zix's only upside is his Q, which is his main damage source, is on a lot shorter CD.

RouterSmiterOct 25, 20151 votes

kha'zix doesnt have to be in a brush to jump

Shroom JunkieOct 25, 20151 votes

Rengar has a root, and bushes are abundant in this game.

RouterSmiterOct 26, 20151 votes

Kha'zix has resets

Shroom JunkieOct 26, 20151 votes

Only after evolution, which usually takes till level 11 unless you evolve it first(granted some people do that) and Rengar's bush jump doesn't have a CD, and if he charges up ferocity before ulting(which isn't hard and if you're good you'll make sure to do it), he'll be able to root twice.

And you keep talking about mobility but you're not realizing the big problem: Rengar is just in general stronger than Kha'zix. Kha'zix having a jump that goes anywhere unlike Rengar, or resets, doesn't really matter when he's squishy af and can't survive long enough to burst someone anyway. He basically has to gank lanes a lot and be successful early or KS during the mid, else he can't even assassinate an isolated target.

RouterSmiterOct 26, 20151 votes

It does 170 + (120%) ad +(10x (khazix's LV) + 104%) Ad

So pretty much 224% + 170 + 90 at level 9

While Rengar does

240 (50%) AD + as steriod Kha'zix normal Q and evolved Q alone the base damage does mage

Shroom JunkieOct 26, 20151 votes

It only does that after level 6 and IF you evolve Q over E, only if isolated, and its BONUS AD not AD period which is a big stretch especially early game.

Plus, Rengar can repeat his twice with Ferocity, 3 times with Ferocity stacked after ulting.

charcharmunroOct 25, 20152 votes

I wonder if giving Kha'Zix some indirect boosts to make him more useful compared to Rengar, like making him ignore a chunk of armor on isolated targets or some such.

Reformed DunniOct 25, 20151 votes

*Facepalm

PennsOct 25, 20151 votes

They removed it from Kha because it was too broken Keeppo

Shroom JunkieOct 25, 20152 votes

But now he's weak even against isolated targets unless he's fed(but I mean, who isn't strong when they're fed? Bard?). He was too broken, but now he's too weak. To simply add a little more burst potential I don't think would make him stupid OP, do you?

PennsOct 25, 20151 votes

I think if Rito did that, it would be Veigar all over again lol.

Shroom JunkieOct 25, 20151 votes

What do you mean Veigar all over again? I don't see any resemblance in that to Veigar's buff/nerf history...

PennsOct 25, 20151 votes

Already pretty strong, but not really often played champ gets buffed ---> suddenly becomes most broken champ in the game.

Could happen to Kha too, u never know.

Shroom JunkieOct 25, 20151 votes

Veigar never got buffed... Oh wait, he got a small buff that gave him AP on assists as well as kills. Unless you're talking about a previous buff?

Kha, however, is actually pretty weak... I've been spamming him a ton recently and, I do well but, even when I'm fed its extremely hard to actually get a kill even if the target is isolated.

PennsOct 25, 20151 votes

Veigars W delay got reduced as well, which boosted his average damage dealt per game by A LOT. I dont really know how myself but it did lol.

Veigar was "pretty weak" before that too...

Shroom JunkieOct 25, 20151 votes

It did? Huh... didn't know that. But really he's always been able to do that, it just fixed his early game more because now it drops down as fast as how long his stun lasts meaning he's a lot more reliable to land it. And that was easily fixed by leveling his stun field to 2 or 3(I forget which).

Either way Veigar still isn't a top tier anymore, he's just meta unlike before when he was shit. Do you want Kha to stay shit forever or at least be slightly meta? If he becomes too OP then they revert the nerfs, ezpz and it only lasts a patch or two. Heck, maybe not even then because of the PBE.

xl Kirito lxOct 25, 20151 votes

From what I've heard, it means Veigar can put 2 points in his E, then max out W. And the W will still land consistently. He is top teir thou. FotM and top teir. An amazing combination.

Shroom JunkieOct 25, 20151 votes

How's he top tier? He kills one person, then the rest of his kit is zoning with his E and every couple of seconds tossing out a Q. Viktor is top tier because he can deal tons of damage to multiple people from range(and his stun/pull field doesn't her either), Azir is top tier because he has tons of consistent damage and is safe with lots of disengage, Darius is top tier simply because he drags attention away from his team's carries and to him in which takes awhile to kill.

He's meta. Just because he's actually played doesn't make him top tier.

LlaniteOct 25, 20151 votes

There are 1001 ways to buff him if they deem he needed it. Comparing stuff in a vacuum is meaningless.

Next time focus on why they should buff him, not lecturing how they should do their job.

Shroom JunkieOct 25, 20151 votes

I never lectured them on how to do their job, I asked Riot why Rengar can throw his bola mid-jump for more burst but Kha'zix can't even though Rengar is better than Kha in every way but his jump. Sorry for giving ideas, thought that was what this board was for. Sheesh.

khorneyOct 25, 20151 votes

he can jump and q at the same time so what are you compl about and not a lot of people can bola jump anyways

MohawkBirdOct 25, 20151 votes

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khorneyOct 25, 20151 votes

and yet you would be shocked at how many peopel dont do it

Shroom JunkieOct 25, 20151 votes

There are literally only 2 people who have a jump and a skillshot and that's Rengar and Kha'zix. Rengar can do it. Kha'zix can't. Rengar can delete someone even if they're not isolated. Kha'zix can't.

I'd get if Kha'zix could basically delete a fighter if they were isolated but the fact that Rengar can do anything Kha'zix does only better and doesn't need his targets to be isolated is pretty BS...

khorneyOct 25, 20151 votes

here is where kha has the advantage he has a long range jump ability that can be used at anytime and anywhere unlike renagr who has to have his ult or be near bushes to do so and they did buff kha iso damage well not the damage but the range on what is considered isolation which helps him the last game i played with him i did decent enough. getting tirforce or iceborn helps him out tremedously and when they buffed his ult upgrade evo it helps i think he can lane way better then renagr can by a lot thats another advantage as well

Shroom JunkieOct 25, 20151 votes

True, but it generally help anything when he can barely assassinate as it is let alone burst them quick. Honestly its not like it would break Kha'zix, because that's basically the only possible thing Rengar does better than Kha'zix. Heck, Rengar even scales better and Kha'zix is supposed to be an evolve and adapt kind of guy that evolves and gets stronger throughout the game, meanwhile Rengar gets to be good at all points of the game and generally just snowballs harder.

khorneyOct 25, 20151 votes

whats funny is kha q is stronger then rengars q however rengars does less damage but it scales 120% ad while kha scales 120%ish bonus attack damage which is a huge think but kha q does more base damage then rengars

Shroom JunkieOct 25, 20151 votes

Granted that's true, they still rank that first and by rank 5 its only 20 damage less. Not to mention his empowered Q does 150% AD, and he can reset his AA's three times in less than a second if he's good, 4 if he has Ravenous Hydra.

Edit: Kha'zix's evolved Q also does 60+ damage(depending on level) and 104% Bonus AD to isolated targets. Still, oddly Rengar gets the job done a lot better...

khorneyOct 25, 20151 votes

which leads me to believe that kha needs to scale 110% ad and not bonus ad that merits a buff which i dont htink people would find to op

BeatzBoyFTWOct 26, 20151 votes

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There are literally only 2 people who have a jump and a skillshot and that's Rengar and Kha'zix.

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Shroom JunkieOct 26, 20151 votes

Nidalee's is a dash, and she can't spear and dash in the same form anyway, and Fizz just makes him untargettable so he can't do shit. Forgot about Aatrox and Gnar. Either way they can and Kha'zix can't, and the only one who matters in those is Aatrox and only slightly because once he gets fed he becomes like an assassin. So that's pretty stupid.

FowusOct 26, 20151 votes

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MatezoideOct 25, 20151 votes

Remember when Kha'Zix was much better than Rengar?

N3mO06Oct 26, 20151 votes

Remenber also that Rengar's bolas doesn't have aoe damage, this is a great difference in damage. Anyway the only things Kha needs is more damage on no isolated target to has a better teamfight presence.

Shroom JunkieOct 26, 20151 votes

Yeah but Rengar has his W for more AOE damage. Granted Bolas don't heal and he has to spend his ferocity to heal but still, healing fast isn't a problem when you burst your target in less than a second.

FowusOct 26, 20151 votes

Kha used to be able to shoot his spikes mid jump but now he can't :(