I was playing some ARAM games earlier and I took Masteries with Thunderlord because I felt that it would help more than Deathfire. Anyway, I'm attacking people and I occasionally notice a lightning bolt strike my target. Afterwards, I literally couldn't notice it going for the rest of the match. Can we make it so it's a bit more clear that it went off?
Stacona4 votesThunderlord's Decree is very noticeable - sometimes its bugged on some champions and does not go off at all - but its a GIANT purple lightning that rains down on your opponent when it procs and you deal a big chunk of damage if you are a damage dealer, specifically a mage type
Dangerous Man1 votesThunderlord's Decree is very noticeable - sometimes its bugged on some champions and does not go off at all - but its a GIANT purple lightning that rains down on your opponent when it procs and you deal a big chunk of damage if you are a damage dealer, specifically a mage type
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Stacona1 votes????
layrit2 votesThe fiction books.
That thing deals very close to no damage. Lets do some math: Say, I have 500 AP and am lvl16. Thunderlord's Decree will hit for 1610 + 0.1500 = 210 damage on 30s cooldown.
Deathfire would deal 6 + 0.2 * 500 = 106 over 3s, so its 35 dps on NO cooldown.
MohawkBird4 votesIs 210 extra burst damage not good enough for you? Would you like Riot to make it equal to a Viktor laser that deals like 700 burst damage?
layrit2 votes210 extra damage is alright BUT if the fight goes longer than 7s - Deathfire Touch is better. And generally unless you are LB the fight goes for longer than 7s for you.
Brahmsauce3 votesI think on Veigar TLD is still better than DT.
layrit3 votesActually no. You will nearly never proc it as Veigar because: a) You can't hit Dark Matter (W) b) Your opponent is already dead before you can use your 3rd skill required for proc.
I believe that Veigar would benefic much more from Stormraider's Surge. So that after he blew someone up he can get out.
MohawkBird1 votesAuto attacks proc the effect too, it doesn't have to be spell. So yes, Thunderlord's Decree is better than Deathfire Touch on him because it makes him capable of bursting even harder.
layrit2 votesAre you telling me that you come into autoattack range of your victims as Veigar? You are the bravest Veigar I've ever seen.
MohawkBird1 votesI'm telling you that to get your full combo off you will likely be in auto attack range anyways.
MohawkBird2 votesNot true. Leblanc isn't the only one who can burst people fast. It's good on any assassin really or heavy burst mages.
Plus if you are looking to get an edge during the laning phase it's good for trades as well.
layrit1 votesBy LB I meant the whole group of assassins that jump in, kill you in at most 2s and jump out.
Veigar and Syndra DO NOT belong to that group. Other than that I agree.
CrushforceX1 votesEveryone forgets lux >:(
MohawkBird1 votesLux is viable with both. She has great range and pokes, which makes her a viable option for DFT, but she also has great burst.
CrushforceX1 votesShe can proc thunder lords at lvl 1 e.z, and her level six burst is insane with thunderlords, but honestly it depends on the matchup, I.E DFT vs xerath, TL vs diana
BluePolarizer1 votesin what world are fights going on for over 7 seconds at level 16 with 500 AP?
Lannister4 votesI find thunderlord's to be great, honestly. My only issue is that it bugs out in ~30% of my games. Sometimes it won't proc for an entire match... this doesn't seem to be champion dependent as I've had it work on lux, then decide not to work for the next game. Sad life :c
Kitten of Evil1 votesI've had this happen. It usually works, but then there's an occasional game where I can never proc it.
Sir Yamazuki3 votesProbably because it wasn't going off at all. I played a game where it did not activate once the entire game.
BreadWithButter2 votesIt needs some improvements. The cd should be ruducable somehow, because the cdr doesnt affect it at all.
DizzyDenver1 votesSAME!!! I keep grabbing Thunderlord's as it seems great on Assassins; But I can never tell if it's going of or not
layrit2 votesBecause it deals close to no damage until very late into the game.
As an assassin you want to either use Stormrader's Surge to get out after you blow someone up OR Deathfire Touch to deal MUCH more damage.
NineTailedMystic2 votesAt level 6 the extra burst is fantastic, and if you can proc it often earlier in laning it really adds up.
MohawkBird2 votesExactly. I really don't see what everyone is complaining about. Having an extra ~70 magic damage added at level 6 is significant, and most people don't see it. It helps win trades too, not just all ins. It's as if people want this mastery to chunk people for half their health. This mastery is better than a Luden's proc in itself, and no one complains Luden's does no damage.
BakedLotion2 votesBecause it deals close to no damage until very late into the game.
As an assassin you want to either use Stormrader's Surge to get out after you blow someone up OR Deathfire Touch to deal MUCH more damage.
lol deathfire touch only does (not including ad cause im using ap as example) 6+20% ap While Thunder does 10 per lvl+10% AP.
Assuming someone has 180 ap at level 9, Deathfire only does 42 damage as a DoT over 3 secs(pots outheal this damage) while Thunder immediately does 108. Not to mention the Deathfire damage is HALVED for dot and aoe if you're only proccing it once since the dmg is still the same if u repeatedly hit them.
You would need 10 seconds to deal the amount of damage Thunder does, and it's a DoT. Thunder is MUCH better in almost all cases. Even with the 30 second cooldown simply because it's unrealistic to stay on a target for more than 5 seconds.
layrit3 votesThe damage from Deathfire Touch IS NOT halved for AOE and DOT spells. Only the duration is. This means that the dps is the same and unless you or ALL your targets died it doesn't matter if you are using single or multitarget spells.
with 180AP and lvl9 Deathfire Touch deals 14 dps. It will take ~8s for it to deal the same amount of damage as Thunderlord's Decree. In a teamfight or an extended trade Deathfire Touch would deal MUCH more dmg.
The only situation where TD is better is on the champions like LB where you use all your spells at once and never engage your opponent again in the following ~10s.
BakedLotion2 votesThe damage from Deathfire Touch IS NOT halved for AOE and DOT spells. Only the duration is. This means that the dps is the same and unless you or ALL your targets died it doesn't matter if you are using single or multitarget spells.
with 180AP and lvl9 Deathfire Touch deals 14 dps. It will take ~8s for it to deal the same amount of damage as Thunderlord's Decree. In a teamfight or an extended trade Deathfire Touch would deal MUCH more dmg.
The only situation where TD is better is on the champions like LB where you use all your spells at once and never engage your opponent again in the following ~10s.
Thats why i said unless you stay on your target. Cause the duration is halved but the dmg is the same if u proc it twice. And no DFT still wont deal more damage because it gets healed back by any form of healing and again its unrealistic to stay on a target for 8 seconds even in teamfights. Teamfights barely last 10 seconda in this meta. Mages also have cooldowns and cant proc the DFT after one rotation.
venomous frost1 votesit's great for trading in lane vs squishies, example: jax level 6: hit minions twice, q w aa to the enemy champion, and watch them get bursted for 50% of their hp. not really good vs tanky champions tho.
runedara1 votesIt's very good on zyra I have found. The proc past level 10 does more than ludens echo. So it might just be lost in combat.
Wyrmblade1 votesI actually got a kill on it that I wouldn't have got otherwise when playing Zilean. Non AD focused masteries still need buffs though, or atleast to exist at all.
stabby himiko1 votesIt's incredibly hard to see it on riven,because it just merges in with the rest of the bullshit burst :3 [slayer-pantheon-thumbs] But yeah seriously. I know it's hard to see.
Dominick Destine1 votesARAM is a complete clusterfuck, that's why you couldn't notice it.
I can notice it just fine in Summoner's Rift... so can the people I play with. It's the medium, not the skill.
Adalore1 votesEh, I don't have trouble noticing it, what I DO have problems with is being able to use it frequently enough. Of which Rito on PBE currently has it on 20 second CD instead of the live value of 30 second CD. After that it should be far more usable.
Also ARAM is totally 5 man bond of stone, whatcha doing? ;p
LithiumWednesday1 votesI was playing Kayle in bots to try it out... and every so often a ridiculous amount of HP would drop off whoever I was attacking's health bar. I'm assuming this was Thunderlord's Decree, but it might have also been some combination of Sated, Guinsoos, and BotRK.
If they could make it a bit more obvious I guess that would be fine. Maybe a text splash similar to a crit?
Kitten of Evil1 votesI honestly feel like it doesn't go off when it's supposed to sometimes. I've played Kayle often since the update, and have had a couple games where it has literally never gone off once.
