What if Katarina had mana?

duck07747··3 votes·2,160 views

How would you feel if Katarina got mana? She's now balanced? She would need massive buffs? What about other cooldown only champions? Reason I point out Katarina is because she isn't really gated by too much. Cooldowns? She can reset them or buy cdr. Mana mages need both cdr and mana regen.

edit: i guess a main thing im wondering is, what really gates cooldown only champions? Kat mainly since she has a passive cooldown to amplify snowballing. in my reply to kuroi i relate her qwe skill damages to talon's and malphite. her cooldowns are actually very low. and she doesn't need mana.

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DarthSpectrum3 votes

I much rather give her energy and have her passive give diminishing returns or energy over time. She can still burst down 3 or maybe 5 targets, but can no longer due so without any chance for the enemy team to CC her.

In exchange, buff her survivablity.

Kuroi863 votes

It would be an excuse to give her QWE reasonable damage instead of forcing her to try and survive lane til six then rely on her insane ult to actually help her win a fight.

duck077471 votes

reasonable damage? her q bounces to 5 targets and can be triggered to deal more damage. fiddle's e bounces to 4 targets and has 15 less base damage at max level. granted fiddle's silences and has a longer range. but kat's takes no mana, has a shorter cooldown, more bounces, and also has a secondary effect that can do extra damage. (they have the same ap ratio)

only thing i can think of thats similar to w is malphite's e. Kat's does less base damage at max but has much higher ratios. though malphite's secondary effect of slowing attack speed is more helpful to the team, but that only really helps against people that rely on attacks per second. which isn't really a whole lot of champions. whilst kat's movespeed can be used to chase and flee a fight. also kat's w has almost half of malphite's cooldown, takes no mana, and almost has 100% more range.

kat's e and talon's are kind of similar. talon's e doesnt do damage, rather it just amplifies and basically has a .25 second snare. at max rank talon's e will fully nullify kat's e, before that kat's 15% damage reduction is pretty superior. However, kat's reduction is half the time of talon's damage reduction. however, id say due to the fact that kat's has damage it at LEAST nullifies this difference. the damage is 160+40% ap which i think is greater than the amount of damage talon can do in 1.5 seconds. they actually have the same range, however once again, kat's does not take mana AND can be casted on allies AND kat's is almost half of talon's cooldown at max rank.

still think she doesnt have damage?

SouL1ess1 votes

the damage is 160+40% ap which i think is greater than the amount of damage talon can do in 1.5 seconds

wtf man

Talon does up to 1.2k-3k pre-mitigation damage in 1.5 seconds

And Yes, Kat's full single-rotation damage against single target is low in comparison to other assassins.

Her combo is just really fluid and contributes greatly to her kill effectiveness.

Kuroi861 votes

She has damage.

But comparing her with a low damage high dps mage like fiddle and a medium damage tank isn't going to win any arguments. Compare her QWE damage to other assassins.

She has damage, but you never hear about people complaining how strong her lvl 3-5 is, only how insane her ult is.

Ch0c0lateJesus2 votes

Its too hard to keep track of mana while youre banging your face on the keyboard and getting quadras.

TairuSzoola1 votes

This made me laugh, reminded me of this video that I had seen.

TairuSzoola2 votes

I wonder why people are disliking this? Do they not like the idea of actually having to think or build accordingly? (Not saying all Katarina players do not but she could use a little something to maybe make her not so snowbally OP).

Direwolfiez2 votes

Because if you even mention possibly changing Katarina in any way on the Boards, Kat mains flood the thread with downvotes, no matter how reasonable the changes. I got death threats for suggesting stuff like this, I'm not even joking.

Str8Ace1801 votes

i agree and wonder why she's not a mana based champ to start with

Epilogue of Life1 votes

I'd like this concept. But then she will be able to efficiently start flask, only being more cancerous...

Abyssphere1 votes

I wouldn't say no, as long as there was some form of compensation or maybe a mana refund mechanic somewhere in her kit.

Quepha1 votes

terrible idea. her reset is the most iconic part of her kit, and what's the point of a reset if you're oom by the time it happens and still just as dead in the water as when all your cooldowns are down.

7thHeaven1 votes

I love how katarina can buy AA and faceroll anyone like ryze.

BuyMeSkinsPls1 votes

Anivia wrecks Kat on the daily, so I don't see why Kat should have mana or any changes at all, she not that hard to beat

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