AP Shaco relied heavily on DFG. Where the buffs at?

duck07747·Jul 29, 2015·2 votes·1,056 views

I used to do pretty decently mid-late game with AP Shaco (until the enemy started building items). But ever since DFG got removed I'm useless the entire game now aside from trolling around with jack in the boxes. Are there buffs incoming? I saw Teemo bouncing shrooms.... patrolling jitb please? :3

Also, Leblanc's PASSIVE clone is 10x better at deceiving the enemy than a Shaco Ultimate Clone. Buff clone? :3 No point in the damage if the enemy knows its a clone.

30 Comments

CrettJul 29, 20154 votes

no. NO. NO!!! NO SHACO BUFFS. SHACO REWORK. THEN WE'LL TALK

duck07747Jul 29, 20151 votes

as long as jack in the box keeps its identity. and maybe Q. although idrc.

CrettJul 29, 20151 votes

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as long as jack in the box keeps its identity. and maybe Q. although idrc.

I personally think he should keep the jack in the box, and he needs to stay a tricksy little troll. So he should keep the clone and stealth, too. But his abilities SHOULD be tweaked to be engaging for other players.

duck07747Jul 30, 20151 votes

i see him like the joker in Batman. annoying af with traps everywhere, but with enough planning and skill you can take him down.

360D3GR3SSJul 29, 20151 votes

ludens

duck07747Jul 29, 20151 votes

considering my only real AP skill is E its still not that good.

S H A Y C 0Jul 29, 20151 votes

but...w e r are all ap scaling?

duck07747Jul 29, 20151 votes

yea but asides from unreliable jitb its basically the only AP skill I have. It used to be if I'm fed I could dfg+shiv 1 shot someone. Now I need shiv+3 jitb+clone to kill someone unless im really fed. Then maybe 2 shivs.

S H A Y C 0Jul 29, 20151 votes

i dont know, i havent played ap shaco in a long time so i dont know. Maybe Shaclone has video or build to help out. Personally i think in theory hybrid shaco would be the most bursty.

duck07747Jul 29, 20151 votes

yea AP shaco was never really viable, unless you were fed. but now hes utterly useless.

360D3GR3SSJul 29, 20154 votes

10% movement speed on a champion that relies on mobility? not good. Addition burst from E? not good. Your W and R also scale with ap, which is 3/4 skills.

duck07747Jul 29, 20151 votes

Shaco trap is 1 hit by i think every single AOE spell, so thats not even relevant in most fights, unless you baited the enemy. and i'm not saying ludens is useless, im saying it doesnt replace DFG. sure I can run around but I just do no damage. I'm teemo without damage basically. if youre higher than bronze v it doesnt take long for the enemy to stop falling for clones. i mainly end up using clone to dodge cait and kart ults.

wait are you trying to argue that AP shaco is actually viable?

360D3GR3SSJul 29, 20151 votes

No, im arguing its as viable as it used to be with DFG.

duck07747Jul 29, 20151 votes

I don't think so, but either way Shaco's been needing buffs.

Titanium70Jul 29, 20151 votes

You didnt get it.. When they´re compensating a champion - they´re nerfing him to the ground before adding some CDR and Mana buffs - do you really want that?

duck07747Jul 29, 20151 votes

lower cd on jitb plz

Cenobite AzazielJul 29, 20151 votes

SHUT UP DUDE! Remember the "compensation buffs" that Veigar got.

S H A Y C 0Jul 29, 20151 votes

All shaco "needs" (i dont think he really needs anything and is perfectly healthy as is) is an increased reaction time for when his boxes unstealth and fear people. Ive had so many times where it sits near them for what feels like forever and then they walk just outside of aggro range and they never activate until the next minion wave, making the viable use jungling and premedidated trapping..in which case they should extend the duration of boxes so you can plan farther ahead than 60 seconds.

duck07747Jul 29, 20151 votes

they would have to increase arm time a lot or at least increase its health, a lot of the time if im fighting anyone with a hydra 50 traps don't even matter.

S H A Y C 0Jul 29, 20151 votes

i agree. Either make them faster and more useable in combat, or make them hardier and longer lasting with a greater delay. right now it is barely mediocre for either strategy and is just kind of there.

wild idea, maybe a shop upgrade like gangplank where you can pick one of the strategies.

duck07747Jul 30, 20151 votes

If they make shop upgrades I feel like they'd have to change shaco's identity to more of a toy maker. So upgrades are him tweaking his toys. A toy maker would be interesting though... change shaco's e to another trap and just tweak r to be a little better maybe go straight to target champion and explode on contact.

The thing is I love how Shaco works but I also don't like how he works at the same time. I like how when fighting him its a guessing game all the time. But his skills are so one dimensional and don't really even synergize with each other too well.

S H A Y C 0Jul 30, 20151 votes

id rather he not lose his unhinged assassin identity. I think everything is fine with his kit except the boxes need tweaking, lets not get carried away.

duck07747Jul 31, 20151 votes

hehe shaco is love shaco is life

insaiyanbaccaJul 29, 20151 votes

except that replacing dfg with ludens actually helped ap shaco a lot it gave him an easier way to waveclear once he got it and it gave him ap and movespeed two things that are kinda wanted for ap shaco. and fyi shaco is fine you can still play him etiher ap or ad if you dont suck

duck07747Jul 30, 20151 votes

Shaco 3 1 75% 7.8/game 5.3/game 9/game 29.5/game

Much wave clear. Very Viable. Wow.

and you're in bronze elo, where farming is much easier.

insaiyanbaccaJul 30, 20151 votes

Dunno what stats you're using but ok I normally just play normals where it's more fun

duck07747Jul 31, 20151 votes

those are your stats