Please do something about LeBlanc's W

6xjLGqOwcR·Apr 11, 2015·30 votes·2,027 views

It has extremely high dmg and it's super easy to hit since it has a big hit marker + it's instant. There is no counterplay early game vs this, she just Ws in your face, does one auto, returns back and you are left with a big chunk of hp missing.

Once she is back to lane after the first shop with 30ap item, 2 combos and you are either dead or on less than 10% hp.

It's so annoying and broken, please do something about this already. She has been in top bans since forever and there is nothing being done about her. She is so obviously broken.

34 Comments

Krys StarApr 11, 20159 votes

The leash range on Ethereal Chain is 1000. One thousand. That's absurd. It should be like 750 or something.

Also, I feel like Distortion should have an extremely long cd, reduced by x seconds per champions hit. Just my 2 cents though.

ULTRAF0RCEApr 11, 20154 votes

problem is that her w is her only form of wave clear as well, maybe if they made her q deal a bit of aoe and her w only damaged one unit within its range prefering champions over minions it might work but, as a mage it is impossible to have her w have an extremly long cooldown.

Krys StarApr 11, 20151 votes

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problem is that her w is her only form of wave clear as well, maybe if they made her q deal a bit of aoe and her w only damaged one unit within its range prefering champions over minions it might work but, as a mage it is impossible to have her w have an extremly long cooldown.

Unfortunately, it's either her wave clear of her expertise in deleting a champion ( which is what she was designed for, as an assassin ) that has to go. Currently and live, she's farming both champions and waves with ease.

AbyssphereApr 11, 20151 votes

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Unfortunately, it's either her wave clear of her expertise in deleting a champion ( which is what she was designed for, as an assassin ) that has to go. Currently and live, she's farming both champions and waves with ease.

I don't really agree with that. A lot of the time you will see a LeBlanc having to burn her ult as well as her W to clear a wave quickly and the cooldown on Distortion really is quite long for a waveclear ability.

She's already one of the poorer mages for waveclear. She's capable of clearing them but she really cannot possibly be put on the same level as most mages when it comes to killing minions. Frankly I'm not sure how she'd be able to ever clear a wave if you were to make her clear any worse.

Penguin EclipseApr 11, 20151 votes

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I don't really agree with that. A lot of the time you will see a LeBlanc having to burn her ult as well as her W to clear a wave quickly and the cooldown on Distortion really is quite long for a waveclear ability.

She's already one of the poorer mages for waveclear. She's capable of clearing them but she really cannot possibly be put on the same level as most mages when it comes to killing minions. Frankly I'm not sure how she'd be able to ever clear a wave if you were to make her clear any worse.

Wouldn't matter. She'd never be played. Nerfs without compensation will gut LeBlanc.

AbyssphereApr 11, 20151 votes

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Wouldn't matter. She'd never be played. Nerfs without compensation will gut LeBlanc.

Well that's what I mean really. If you were to make her waveclear any worse she'd basically be unplayable and what do you buff to compensate? Her damage is as high as it needs to be and her kit doesn't have that much in it to buff otherwise. You could buff her mobility/general slipperyness but that would just make people QQ even more if she is strong.

There are way better things to hit LeBlanc with than reducing her waveclear, but I do agree that in general she shouldn't be nerfed anyway. There's a reason she was buffed to this point: it wasn't long ago she was useless. And as frustrating as she may be I just can't get behind the idea of her being too good. Nothing really supports it.

Spacefight0rApr 11, 20156 votes

How about an actual solution? Push the wave so she has to choose between using her W for harass or clearing the wave.

CubedJusticeApr 11, 20155 votes

It's not instant, though, you know. If it were instant, you'd cry yourself to sleep every night, I can promise you that. Nunu

TheRakkunApr 11, 20153 votes

Except there are tonnes of mid laners that don't have a dash. Veigar Velkoz Syndra Viktor Cassiopeia Annie ect

Slamurai JackApr 11, 20158 votes

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Except there are tonnes of mid laners that don't have a dash. ect

The only one of those mid laners that has any right to be afraid of Leblanc during laning is Veigar. The rest of them can either shove safely from range or match her burst. Especially Annie and Syndra.

Leblancs really not that hard to play against if you do a a couple key things: Always keep the wave slow pushing towards her tower, and don't take free damage. Unlike what most people seem to believe, Leblanc is not this amazing god of early game; most mid laners can trade with her just fine early and several, like Yasuo, can bully her outright. And if shitty Yasuo can do it, you can do it.

CubedJusticeApr 11, 20153 votes

Not to mention, it's super easy to avoid her level two combo. Her Q has a decent air time, so as soon as she casts that, just run backwards, so she has to back off or run into the minion wave.

SoriokuApr 11, 20155 votes

He probably just got rekt by a LB. by i do agree, in the hands of a competent LB main it's really hard to deal with her. Just survive levels 1-4 is really the only thinf you can do

TenSlashTenApr 11, 20153 votes

It has high damage because its the only spell in her entire kit that doesn't need to be double proced to deal actual damage. if you're some adc meta main thats bitching because they can't position against a champion you buy BV against and then win for the rest of the game I'm gonna laugh at you.

Slamurai JackApr 11, 20153 votes

It's pretty easy to dodge in lane if you have any sort of dash, since Leblanc will almost always Q you before they W. Whenever I play Yasuo, I just dash towards her whenever she q's me, she misses her follow up W, and now has no escape. Easy pickings.

Hello I am BirdApr 11, 20151 votes

Besides her ult and her e...

Slamurai JackApr 11, 20152 votes

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Besides her ult and her e...

Leblanc's never gonna hit an E on a Yasuo, lets be real. And yes, Leblanc is more difficult once she has her ult, but its still perfectly manageable. Especially since she's already missed her W, which is her largest chunk of damage since most Leblancs max it first.

Hello I am BirdApr 11, 20151 votes

Lolwat? I always max q on Lb first. It doesn't have me rely on ONE skill shot to do damage, instead I have 3 options to proc q before Im useless.

And also, Ive hit plenty of e's on yasuo's. His dash is kinda predictable.

Slamurai JackApr 11, 20151 votes

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Lolwat? I always max q on Lb first. It doesn't have me rely on ONE skill shot to do damage, instead I have 3 options to proc q before Im useless.

And also, Ive hit plenty of e's on yasuo's. His dash is kinda predictable.

If you max Q, I'm just going to shove the lane relentlessly and laugh when you desperately try to CS under tower. And if you land an E on Yasuo 1v1 in lane, he's either a dumbass who's maxing Q for some reason, or he's a bad Yasuo. Between wind wall, his dashes, and friendly minions, those chains should never ever land in a 1v1 situation.

KoddaApr 11, 20151 votes

Don't you always max q on yasuo? o.o

Slamurai JackApr 11, 20151 votes

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Don't you always max q on yasuo? o.o

Not since the change to his Q cooldown, no. Since his Q cooldown no longer goes down with rank, it's much better to put more points in E early, especially if you're against another mobile champion. Putting extra points in Q only gives you an extra 20 damage per rank now. But, putting extra points in E also gives you 20 extra damage per rank, but it actually adds up to more damage because of E's stacking mechanic.

Maxing E first also does a couple other things for you; it lowers the CD of the dash itself, and there is a big difference between a .5 second CD and a .1 second CD. But, maxing E also lowers the amount of time before you can dash to a target again, from 10 to 6 seconds. This is an enormous boon in both your in and out harass through minions as well as for your all ins, since you can easily E them a second time in most all ins with the lower CD. Generally speaking, I will max E if I'm against any ranged skillshot champion, as the lower cd's and extra burst on E are worth far far more than more damage on Q. When against melee champions, or in matchups where I'll need to last hit more with Q, it can be worth to put some extra points in it, but it should never be straight maxed. The only 2 good options are to straight max E, or to alternate between E and Q. Maxing Q and leaving E at rank 1 makes Yasuo's laning far weaker than it needs to be, especially against mobile champions.

Bard in a DiaperApr 11, 20152 votes

probably your champ pool, leblanc on the other team is an easy win for me. I don't play any champions she can burst so I just laugh at her. Sorry you cant blindpick ahri like a weeaboo man :(

PiVoRxApr 11, 20152 votes

With over 9000 level of safetiness she has, LB (along with nida, ahri, zed and Lee Skill), should deal 1/3 damage shes doing now.

Kitten of EvilApr 11, 20152 votes

Yup, at level 2 her usual playstyle is:

Q+W + AA + W ... now you're at about 60% HP and she's out of any retaliation range. Wait for cooldowns. Q+W+ignite + AA + W ... now you're at 20% HP and probably dead from ignite soon, and she's once again out of range to retaliate.

And if you do manage to knock her down a bunch, that passive will come by and save the day for her.

She is WAY too slippery for the amount of damage she deals.

ShifuneApr 11, 20151 votes

I pick Karma into LB, works just fine for me. LB isn't as OP as some people make her seem. Just a bunch of baddies that don't know how to play against her.

TNHA BaritoneApr 11, 20151 votes

There are three types of people: The people who think she is easy to go against yet they give no tips on how to go against her. Then there are people who thimk she is flat out broken. Then there is me: the guy who is waiting for Taric rework.

SoriokuApr 11, 20151 votes

Highly depends on the champ you're on. If you're Cass you're probably gonna have a really hard time because she has no cc outside her ult if you're on like syndra or ahri I'd stans a little outside the minion wave and E her dashes she has to come straight at you so landing it shiykdnt be too difficult. Don't get chained, ever. Chains mean death or back normally.v if you're even by 6 you should be able to outpush her since you have some cdr and your waveclear is better than hers

AuryielApr 11, 20151 votes

She needs a delay on her second W activation and a shorter leash range on her E

Those are the most frustrating parts about her kit. If, after that, she is too weak, then she can be buffed in other areas, but those two things need to change.

KaisadiIIaApr 11, 20154 votes

She is weak right now. A decent tank completely negates her presence in a teamfight.

Kitten of EvilApr 11, 20151 votes

She doesn't do teamfights, that doesn't mean she's weak. She's just suited to a different playstyle -- 1v1s and picking off enemies. Some champions are great at splitpushing, some champions are great at teamfights. Nobody is good at split-pushing, teamfights, skirmishes, and 1v1s. If they were, they'd be broken.

Let's stop pretending that a champion not excelling at every aspect of gameplay means she's weak.

AuryielApr 11, 20151 votes

I'm of the opinion that these changes need to happen regardless of her balance state, like the Veigar nerfs

KaisadiIIaApr 11, 20151 votes

it's instant

Is it instant?

Jungle Lux GodApr 11, 20151 votes

I also feel like LeBlanc's W is really obnoxious, although I do feel like it is somewhat appropriate to have it deal a fair amount of damage so she has to actually get into melee range to deal damage to you instead of just nuking you with three abilities from range.

Something I feel would keep LeBlanc feeling like LeBlanc is if her W recast had her dash back to her original location (as opposed to blinking, like it is on live) and have her E's tether radius reduced.

The former would allow her opponents a lot more room to play against her because they would be able to read when she is traveling back to her original location and to trade with her when she dashes back, as opposed to when she blinks back and you have no time to react to her blinking back, so you have to chance a 50-50 in order to trade with her that isn't really a 50-50 because the LeBlanc player can still read your cast times and react to your play to make a decision to blink back to specifically dodge your skillshots.

I had a game playing against a LeBlanc as Lux, and I found that predicting when LeBlanc was going to return to her original location was a really good way to play against her, as I was able to cast my Q or E at her original location, and land them as soon as LeBlanc blinked back to her original location. This was basically the only way I was able to kill her all laning phase. I managed to have fairly decent predictions regarding her returns, but I feel like you shouldn't have to predict, and instead react to her dashing back, turning LeBlanc's W patterns from relatively free harass into a 50-50 into a more strategic game where you have to take risks to get the damage she has off of her W.

The latter also gives her opponents more opportunities to play around LeBlanc by forcing her to be closer when she tries to burst her down. She shouldn't be able to jump in, burst you down with both procs of her Q, her W, and both procs of her E while still being able to get out safely. She should have to work to trigger her E while still allowing her opponents counterplay against it.

Chespin2013Apr 12, 20151 votes

i think her damage is fine i just think her mobility is just too much