Watching a Kassadin vs Malzahar lane is sad now

Mira Arya Enthe··167 votes·9,448 views

It's like watching two old rival athletes in a retirement home, who still think they are hot stuff, but are 1/5th the champions they use to be. Oblivious that nobody cares.

Revert Malz then later rework him correctly. Rework Kassadin to be an anti-caster Skirmisher.

Plskthx :c - former Malz main.

93 Comments

TyrekGoldenspear121 votes

Malzahar Heh, watch out Kass! Face the terror of the void! Creates voidlings and watches them march forward slowly.

Kassadin The balance must be maintained. I will never let you corrupt this world! slashes at voidlings for about 1/4 of their health, realizes he's taking no damage. Kassadin You're losing your touch Malz. Throws Q and goes in, Malz ults him. Kass survives and ults away with 3/4 of health Kassadin Phew, that was close. Forgot I don't silence anymore.

Malzahar That was your mistake, now feel my wrath! Throws Q, and void visions. Both hit kass, but take away 1/5 of health. Malzahar Oh that's right, my voidlings took all my damage.

Kassadin Now you fate is sealed. points sword at Malz, spine creaks. Kassadin Oh--Ow. Just let me hit full build, then you'll feel my wrath.

EndlessSorcerer42 votes

Eh, Kassadin would probably win that.

Rod of Ages would have had a long time to stack at that point.

TyrekGoldenspear1 votes

Very true.

Also holy crap this thread blew up. O_O

Mira Arya Enthe17 votes

You are golden...spear

Big Lincoln85 votes

why is he playing kassadin support lol

Penns3 votes

xd

PureSilvrr3 votes

midlane

sit kid28 votes

shut up

malz is a support now

Ipressbutton5 votes

You laugh but its only a matter of time... Annie Brand Zyra ...

Mira Arya Enthe22 votes

XD I laughed hard

Fondling Gems2 votes

Now I need to try that. Right after I purchase Kassadin. Ranked here I come!

######JK Please don't kill me. I will probably try it in normals with team permission though.

Fondling Gems4 votes

Well I stayed true to my word:

Buying Kass: https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/YhWadwL8o60mcZ7Z1tvOu9ooR3FHt3a0b3j4y1nIIQVER6iURD--WBYoQWJw8yKBwS1q1mARWT8iyQ=w1920-h905-rw

Winning first game: https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/7hFQ4UnvT0kZtyFLFj80oUkx0oEq5RDJYKsCP5ih1ZUi4r_MP80KFGboRnxoNZVRp9SYqfXB_Xxvaw=w1920-h905-rw

(Got an S woo!)

Don't tell anyone but I didn't buy a sightstone until like 25 minutes in, and I did it to complete my support item.

50000000000000001 votes

So what does Kass support bring to the table that other supports don't?

Fondling Gems14 votes

Whoa whoa whoa there. We are comparing him to malz, that means we just need to explain why he is better in the support role than mid.

Now we know his E charges as people around him use abilities and there are twice as many people botlane right? Boom. Supports also tend to be spammy so it works out there too. All that trading means more W procs too and since you don't have to worry about waveclear you have way more mana to spend harassing too.

Now I know what you are thinking, "But Gems, why would you play him support at all?" Well you see 5quad, Kassaroll has a ton of mobility making it easy for him to ward in all sorts of locations too dangerous for other supports. He also has that sweet AA reset on W to clear wards super fast, you can even take them out before they go invis all by yourself. His E is a pretty strong slow when maxed and don't do what I did and max Q, that shit does no damage.

But wait, there's more. We all know Kassaroll is the mage counter right? He has that sick passive. However with lethality being the new fad mid lane is full of nothing but AD assassins we gotta go find them mages. You know where the mages are? Bot lane. Gotta go and teach them a lesson.

rtbf2216514121 votes

[{quoted}](name=Fondling Gems,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=w35ZfAuj,comment-id=0001000400000000,timestamp=2017-02-18T06:06:43.624+0000)

Whoa whoa whoa there. We are comparing him to malz, that means we just need to explain why he is better in the support role than mid.

Now we know his E charges as people around him use abilities and there are twice as many people botlane right? Boom. Supports also tend to be spammy so it works out there too. All that trading means more W procs too and since you don't have to worry about waveclear you have way more mana to spend harassing too.

Now I know what you are thinking, "But Gems, why would you play him support at all?" Well you see 5quad, Kassaroll has a ton of mobility making it easy for him to ward in all sorts of locations too dangerous for other supports. He also has that sweet AA reset on W to clear wards super fast, you can even take them out before they go invis all by yourself. His E is a pretty strong slow when maxed and don't do what I did and max Q, that shit does no damage.

But wait, there's more. We all know Kassaroll is the mage counter right? He has that sick passive. However with lethality being the new fad mid lane is full of nothing but AD assassins we gotta go find them mages. You know where the mages are? Bot lane. Gotta go and teach them a lesson.

Part of the reason is Crystal Sceptor slow and AP was gutted so DoT actually helps with procs.

Other reason is his voidlings are kinda useless now instead of broken so someone may have to distract enemy now.

His shield blocks cc so it helps harass bot lane.

Fondling Gems4 votes

This is a Kassaroll discussion, not a discussion of Mr. Spaceaids.

rtbf2216514122 votes

[{quoted}](name=Fondling Gems,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=w35ZfAuj,comment-id=000100040000000000000000,timestamp=2017-02-18T06:36:51.379+0000)

This is a Kassaroll discussion, not a discussion of Mr. Spaceaids.

It's a discussion of both. Herp derp.

Fondling Gems5 votes

Ah sorry bad wording on my part, This is a Kassaroll comment, not a comment about Mr. Spaceaids.

While Malz was the origin of this comment tree he is not the topic at this stage in the discussion of this comment tree.

rtbf2216514122 votes

[{quoted}](name=Fondling Gems,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=w35ZfAuj,comment-id=00010004000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-02-18T06:39:30.318+0000)

Ah sorry bad wording on my part, This is a Kassaroll comment, not a comment about Mr. Spaceaids.

While Malz was the origin of this comment tree he is not the topic at this stage in the discussion of this comment tree.

Oh i see what you mean now.

Fondling Gems2 votes

No, I am saying that a discussion of Malz's abilities has no bearing on the conversation.

The joke was that Malz got shifted from mid lane into a support, so instead of explaining why Kassaroll is a good support I just had to explain why he was a better support than mid laner.

Why Malzahar is played support doesn't factor in, it is a case of he is played support over mid lane, not of why.

Over Innsmouth36 votes

On the bright side, it means that no one picked LeBlanc or Katarina and that makes me happy.

But I share your sentiment deeply. Revert Malzahar.

Sahn Uzal21 votes

MEVERT RALZAHAR

DesolationKaizer14 votes

I approve, cause skirmisher Kassadin sounds rad. I think that Kass was originally intended to really be an anti-caster skirmisher.

It Hertz When IP19 votes

Until they took away his silence. ANd the meat of his best joke....

DesolationKaizer4 votes

He also used to get armor penetration on his W and some attack speed on his kit too.

PB4UAME3 votes

He got extra attackspeed based on the amount of magic damage absorbed by his passive. I was a huge Kass fan in early season 1-3, and my two favorite builds for him was his old bruiser AD build, and his mana-tank build from way back when you could r stack then delete people at the cost of 1,000 mana per use.

Blåbæret3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Darien Juranas,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=w35ZfAuj,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2017-02-17T21:20:11.085+0000)

Until they took away his silence. ANd the meat of his best joke....

Yeah guys, let's give him his silence back and watch him become pick/ban. Silences/blinds etc. are toxic to the game and should be kept at a bare minimum. Kassadin is balanced as of right now and does not need any changes whatsoever. He was even picked in pro play last year.

iamthegoatofwar2 votes

...could reward him with a silence for hitting target with E after Q.

NineTailedMystic8 votes

No, he doesn't need his Silence back.

THE RlVER KlNG13 votes

It makes me a little bit sad and a little bit happy every time I see a Fiddlesticks. A Nunu. A Xin Zhao. An Urgot, a Galio, a Pantheon, a Dr. Mundo, an Evelynn, a Cho'Gath. Mostly a little bit sad, though.

You beautiful ugly little creature, I want you so much to be viable and modern but I also want so badly for you to remain. So that I can remember when League was simple and fun, when strategy mattered more than skill creep and big numbers. I will miss you when you are gone, just as much as I miss Taric and Shen and Yorick and Warwick and maybe even you, Poppy.

Anyways, this post is spot on. Best analogy I've seen on these Boards in months, if not years.

Melledoneus12 votes

Kassadin Malzahar. Malzahar Kassadin. They both nod at each other Kassadin We both know who our true enemy is. Malzahar Riot, we're coming for you. Quinn item 3814 Riot sent me. One shots both of them and flies away

Vesemir5 votes

item 3814 is a stupid item. Imagine you are Lux and an adc runs towards you with that active on which lasts for a damn 10 seconds... And it also has no CD. I hate the fact adcs are allowed to buy these items.

TyrekGoldenspear1 votes

I just throw an E and instapop to break the shield, then Q.

Whiteeye Avelyn1 votes

They are circlejerking just let them get it out of their system

TyrekGoldenspear1 votes

Well here I expected some downvotes, but come on, I can almost see the futility against an Assassin, but Chelleyon mentioned an ADC. They move no faster than a mage.

Duke of Sloths10 votes

Kassadin is fine

warpenguin5559 votes

Double rework + void event(maybe get cho in there too for a triple rework but thats a bit optimistic). THE FUCKING DREAM. If they did that I wouldn't mind the wait on Malz.

morris17 votes

Malzahat*

item 3089 Malzahar

Handin Out Naps4 votes

People need to stop asking for Kassadin changes, the champion has been balanced for a good time now, just let him live without changes.

Troll Slaiyer4 votes

kass is op. one time i dived him AT LVL1 and he blew me up .

Legacy Hydralpha1 votes

That's not a lot of information. What champ where you? Did you tower dive? What was his and your health like?

Epicanian7 votes

when you dont get the joke

Ok sure but why3 votes

that's 90% of people on these boards

Legacy Hydralpha4 votes

I can't even tell what's a joke on these boards anymore, to be honest.

Vesemir3 votes

Kassadin is so weak atm. Its pathetic really. Unless you are snowballing you do an exact no damage. He is like a melee Karthus who does less damage. I play Kassadin a lot recently and without having 4 items you are weaker than an adc as an assassin.

deltemp9515122 votes

You haven't seen a good Kassadin then. I have watched Kassasdin players solo carry games and 1v5 teams. He is not weak he just has a higher skill cap than most other mid laners. He cant just spam abilities like most other mid laners.

Xeruon5 votes

Kassadin is a gimped champion. By picking him, you're essentially being a liability your team since there are other midlane champions that do his job better with much more reliability.

And no, his skillcap really isn't that high.

Dominick Destine1 votes

{quoted}

And no, his skillcap really isn't that high.

This.

Ralanr2 votes

How about we just rework Malz from here instead of reverting him back to his E+R combo.

Mira Arya Enthe9 votes

Too many champions in the lineup

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