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woodvsmurph·12/18/2018, 7:29:27 AM·1 votes·922 views

This is ridiculous. I dealt with it to a slightly lesser extent for most of the past year.

When you build tanky for your team... you shouldn't also be top damage dealer on your team or a very close 2nd when all your teammates are playing carry champs. When you withstand a 1v2 camp of your lane and go even or win, you shouldn't exit laning phase with your entire team having fed.

Once in awhile sure you can run into a bad game like this. But nearly every single match Riot? That's an issue.

When I could could call someone a bad word in chat and get banned... but my support can go full troll - because someone banned the troll support he wanted to play - and not get punished for trolling because omg... he dealt some damage before dying therefore we must assume he's trying no matter how many 1v5's he takes and crap like that.

https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/summoner/champions/renekton/na/woodvsmurph/all

If you look at stats for my main, I might not have significant gold amounts compared with the average gold renekton... but the average gold renekton: gets ganks from their jg while I'm hung out to dry 1v2 takes ignite for kill pressure and snowballing while I take tp for team has a smaller gold ADVANTAGE over their opponent

Yes... that's right. I'm CONSISTENTLY doing more with less. And my teammates are consistently doing less with more. Even if I could just swap junglers most games, I'd have close to an 80% winrate. 80 freaking percent. Instead I have sub 50% winrate. If tanking most damage on my team, wasting the enemy jungler's time most games all laning phase, and doing the most damage on my team - often by a large margin - isn't enough to win... then my teammates don't deserve their elo. Give me teammates that actually have a clue how to play. I don't ask they win lane. I don't ask they carry. But give me something other than potatoes that only know afk solo farm and run it down at the nearest enemy cuz maybe after the last 10x of losing that fight this time will be different.

I'm far from being alone in this sentiment. I also make allowances for preseason... but this is ridiculous that I should experience this nearly every game.[sg-shisa]

2 Comments

BigOat12/18/2018, 9:18:50 AM1 votes

The fact of the matter, is that you are playing in Gold ELO which means that concepts like the ones you are describing apply to a much lesser extent than in higher ranks. Typically if you do withstand a 1v2 camp, yes, that should allow for your jungler to make pressure elsewhere, but sometimes that is literally asking too much gold players. When I help my friends climb out of gold, I tell them, the only thing you should do is think for yourself, because at the end of the day, you cannot rely on bad players to win your games for you. This is why it is very difficult for support-oriented players, like actual supports themselves, or people who like to only play tanks like malphite, wind up getting stuck in these lower ranks.

Also, comparing the frequency with which you get ganked by ur own jg to how often other renekton players do, is somewhat illogical considering every game is different, and the likelihood that you are getting worse junglers than all of these other players is severely low. Maybe, and not to flame you, you are not setting up your lane to be in a gankable position, maybe you arent using your pings as efficiently, or maybe you are getting tricked into thinking that your own jungler is worse simply because you are not respecting where the enemy jungler could be at any time.

There is a myriad of reasons for why you are not winning your games, but if you are truly skilled enough, once you play enough games, you will be able to climb I PROMISE.

However I will agree with you on your very first statement thank tanks have a slightly overwhelming presence in the game as when they are able to acquire a lead, they can deal the most dmg in the game with base damage alone while also being unkillable. Personally, the concept of tanks is kinda skewed in the current meta, which has forced a lot of adc's to build either Bork or guinsoos or both (lucian, Kaisa, varus).