PSA: teammates

woodvsmurph··16 votes·782 views

When a person does a non-standard build - do not assume it is troll or bad and flame them. Builds are flexible - just like champions. Some are better suited to one purpose while others to a different purpose. If there were no ap champs on the enemy team, would you flame malphite for not building spiriit visage/abyssal mask or some other mr item? No. So don't presume to know it all.

It's not your teammates' job(s) to shore up weaknesses you create by locking in some odd champ. Just because someone is toplane or jg doesn't mean they should have to be the sole frontline champ for your team. And if they are, then it's not their fault if you are losing fights because you all die in 1.5 sec to start the fight; it's your fault for not winning lane and snowballing with the comp you picked that NEEDS to build a lead early. If you fed and deal 0 meaningful damage to the enemy frontline, it's not your toplaner's fault - it's yours. If he builds damage - because you have none - you have no right to flame him for doing so.

If you just lost a teamfight, do not force another engage the second you respawn - the exception being to defend your base. Give up dragon or baron and don't go running into your jungle blind as 4 squishies all separate from each other facechecking everything. Doing so and then dying can cost the game. If you do that though, again, it isn't your toplaner's fault for going top to clear a large minion wave to protect top inhib tower and to ward baron so you can contest. If he pinged you back and you still engaged 3v5 or 4v5 cuz you NEEDED that dragon, it's on you for dying. He didn't lose you that fight - him coming would have just given the other team an ace. Instead of flaming him, try listening and making better decisions next time.

If you criticize a teammate and blame them for everything, don't be surprised if they eventually snap back at you. So their build is non-standard - who cares if it's getting the job done. And if it's not, is it because of THEM or because their team isn't doing their job? Chances are, if the guy is tanking 3 people every teamfight and is still the last to die, it's the team's fault - not his. If you complain he never groups, yet he's there for every teamfight - you are being an idiot. He's not toxic for saying as much - considering you spent the last 20 min flaming his build, his kda (your's is worse btw and you weren't 1v2 all of laning phase vs an ignite riven and a sejuani), and complaining he never groups even though he's peeling the enemy adc, sup, and mid every fight. Instead of asking what more your toplaner can do for you; ask what you can do for your toplaner because he's done more for the team than anyone else.

Pardon the very specific nature of some of this, but the generals apply to all lanes and jungle. If your teammate is going even while being camped and you never once help him, don't blame him for poor kda. If your teammate builds a non-standard item that isn't obviously troll (like thornmail on jhin), don't criticize their items. You might provide helpful advice, like suggesting a player build maw since they are an ad champ vs a fed enemy kat; but you don't flame their build. If they are pulling away a fed enemy from the teamfight and giving you a 4v4 without the enemy's strongest champ, that's generally a good thing - don't complain that they aren't helping the team. If they are zoning 3 people every teamfight and are still the last one to die - it's not their fault you are losing; it's yours or your other teammates. So stop harassing them, improve YOUR play, and maybe listen to the the teammate you were harassing instead of making unhelpful comments to put them down all game.

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HavokDash6 votes

Now watch this post get Downvoted into oblivion for someone actually suggesting players ADAPT and come up with different strategies, different builds, based on thier own UNIQUE PLAY STYLES (OMG NO! insert horrified scream here) This is why I say the "meta" as far as builds go has become a fundamentalist cult. if you DARE go outside the 'preapproved' meta, or build anything outside what "everyone else builds" or what you are "supposed to build". You are instantly deemed a troll, an outsider, and need to be reported,banned, and burned at the stake!

People arent allowed to express themselves through thier builds, are not allowed to come up with NEW builds that work in combination with other items or...THE RUNES THEY CHOOSE. No you are supposed to build only ONE specific way (coincidentally that way is "whatever I tell you to build according to my percieved idea of the current meta")

I have had games where the team has to deal with tanks, but no one is building armor pen, no one is building greivous or % health items. But the moment I try and build such items, I am flamed and greifed "Omg look at that build. Stop trolling and build -Properly-!" (They always demand I build the "proper" way or they will report me) This game has become a whole game of "Build MY way or ELSE!" by a bunch of toddlers who dont understand that not everyone plays THE SAME WAY. And the moment someone refuses to build as per their demands (notice I said -demand- not -suggest-) they will drop to the ground, call the player a troll, and throw the most infantile in-game temper tantrum (hense why I refer to them as toddlers). They will kick and scream and curse and throw the whole match because One player isnt going along with -their- schedule for the match.

So Yeah, Call me a troll all you want, Just means I Think differently than you. I dont go out of my way to ruin peoples games. I just have a different build strategy in mind. Most of the time my losses are not from my particular failings but one player who keeps trying to crack the whip on my back and get me to "fall in line" and build what THEY demand I build based on "ur build isnt meta" or "Thats not what you are supposed to build on X, Stop trolling and build properly!" This will often include but not limited to: -telling me how troll I am -telling me how completely worthless I am -telling me how I need to Never play Ranked/norms again -going into /all chat and trying to lobby for the other team to "Report our troll" -often refusing to assist (or gank if jungler) whatever lane I am in, happy to sit back and allow me to get 2/3v1'ed as 'punishment' for my off-meta build. -and overall telling me how completely garbage/trash of a player I am because I dont follow the 'flavor of the week' meta

Troll for Trump1 votes

Question: Why should the 4 teammates adapt to the 1 off-meta pick instead of having the 1 person insisting on going off-meta work with the rest of the team?

HavokDash3 votes

There is a difference between adapting to it and these players often TRYING to work with the team, and spending the ENTIRE GAME doing nothing but flaming, degrading, insulting, and repeatedly telling an off-meta player just how hard you are going to report them because they didnt build what you tell them they are 'supposed to build'. A difference between giving a new build a chance and spending more time making a player feel like complete and total shit, telling them over and over just how garbage they are because they didnt build a particular item or maybe has their own way that works for THEM. Your Comment comes off as the same "Fall in line" sort of attitude that I get alot. I have a different play style than others. I try and work with the team but I am not even given a chance, not even asked. I just get called a troll immediately and get told how I need to fall in line and build "proper" Items or else be reported. The whole "Know your Place! Build what I tell you to" attitude. (and dont try and tell me it doesnt happen, It happened in my last game)

Yeah, Off meta doesnt work for everyone, But if someone has a way that works for them, it gets the job done. Why should the player be made to feel like shit because they arent playing and building "properly" according to someone with a subjective view of the meta. The meta is always changing, metas come and go. Builds change with each patch, Items change, characters change. There are still people in season 8 who have a Season 2 idea of support's role. That they arent part of the team. that they arent worth any effort. That they should ward, heal, and otherwise STFU. That anything they say should be immediately laughed off and dismissed because...its support!.

Troll for Trump1 votes

You need to fall in line because it's a team game. If you want to experiment people need to agree.

That's how working as a team work, and that's why I often don't like it.

It's not wrong to experiment, but you have to fall in line with the team, that's just how teams work.

HavokDash2 votes

And yet these people are NEVER willing to agree, and I am not going to "Fall in line" just because someone cracks a whip at me and tells me they are going to report me for not building how THEY demand. Being a team game is a 2 way street, It means hearing Both sides. And yet people like you say They dont have to even CONSIDER any outside builds, while people like me who do BETTER playing off meta champs and builds have to fall in line because...Team game!.

Sorry it dont work that way. I am perfectly open to finding middle grounds, but people wont hear it. And I am not going to "fall in line" because people like you throw "its a team game" at me, especially when the moment the match goes south, they will happily abandon the "team game" and choose a player (usually support) as the sacrificial lamb.

DemonSushi1 votes

....the question you have to ask yourself is "are you really getting the job done" or you are just building whatever you want.

I'm all for playing to your style and would actually make fun of people for simply following the standard like a must, but I don't agree with building an off build and doesn't perform well and simply saying "idgaf" which seems to be what you believe in.

you try to blame everyone else for them flaming you, but have you looked at yourself and really think about if this is working? or continue to believe "if this is done right"? XD

NekoniClaws2 votes

Someone decides to go APC bot.

Team accepts this.

I lock in Jhin support

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Sv91EXknvdA/hqdefault.jpg

HavokDash1 votes

Exactly lol.

I played jhin support. If done right he is a nightmare. But even considering it is forbidden

Attempt it and they will burn you at the stake (with herbs and spices) for going against thier meta bible, they burn you for heresy

Shaita1 votes

In ranked, it is understandable though. People are trying to win and have no time for garbage or troll builds.

HavokDash1 votes

and Who are you to decide what is "Garbage" or "troll build" Someone could actually be quite skilled at it. Just because its not what "everyone else builds" or what you are "supposed to build" does NOT mean it is automatically Garbage or Troll. It really irritates me how people think their subjective view of the meta means anything ELSE is automatically troll/garbage/greifing and wont even consider it.

Shaita1 votes

You're B5 with a 36% winrate, that says something. There's a difference between non-meta and troll. If the build doesn't even make sense at ALL then it's troll, no way around it. I see you built a shiv on PTA Gragas and Thornmail on Ashe. That is completely troll and there's no way around it. Either you're trolling or you don't know how to build. Or maybe both. You'd get an instant report from me lol, I'm trying to win, not deal with someone trying out items that don't even make sense on their champions. Your builds are atrocious.

HavokDash1 votes

Dont bring Up Winrates in B5 when you KNOW for a fact how infested with children it is. Adults with the mental aptitude of a toddler who will happily throw the entire match at the drop of a hat, at the slightest little bruise to their ego. I have had plenty of matches where we could have won, but 1-2 players decide they are gonna troll, afk, feed, throw a tantrum, or just overall abandon everyone because of thier own personal greed. "oh you took ONE minion of mine so I am gonna abandon lane and go steal from mid while leaving you to deal with a 1v2, giving the enemy team a free lane...Because you didnt do what I said"

Dont you dare bring up winrates as a solo stat on a TEAM game. GTFO with that nonsense. If this was a single player game where your winrate wasnt tied to the maturity of your teammates, MAYBE you would have a point. But on a game where if One player feeds, their enemy can go on to destroy the OTHER LANES after the free meal. Yeah its called a Ripple effect. common on team games.

And I dont troll, But people like you are happy to enforce YOUR meta on everyone else. Please stop throwing around words that are purely subjective, stop acting like YOUR definition of what is "proper" is the ONLY definition. Because its people like you that really make me give 0 fucks. IDGAF what you think of my builds. They are just that, MY builds that work with MY play-style. So stuff a cork in it.

BTW, you can report all you want. But wont change anything. YOU dont get to decide what everyone else builds. YOU dont get to dictate how everyone else plays. And you can THINK they are a troll all you want, but that is YOUR OPINION, NOT FACT. You dont know my intentions, so pulled that swelled head out from between your fat hams.

Shaita1 votes

Exactly why you're B5. You blame that on your teammates and you don't care about how atrocious your gameplay is. That is why you're stuck. I started in B5 and now I'm P2. Your builds are horrendous, stop lying to yourself, that is not a playstyle, that is trolling and your builds don't work. If they worked, you wouldn't have a 36% winrate in the lowest elo. It's not your team, it's you.

woodvsmurph1 votes

Love the pic. Idk about jhin support - it can work, but it's situational. Like if the other team has a ton of hard cc and long ranged engage that can burst your team out, he's not the best. If they lack long ranged burst/engage though, he can be legit. Especially vs squishy enemy support. I try to draft around what team needs MOST of the time, but it's still about a 50/50 to find people like that as low as gold elo. So I'd say if you know what you are doing - go for it. No different really than locking lux support or zoe in a way. Squishy with long ranged damage and cc.

FOR JUSTICE2 votes

see? SOMEONE finally knows I wasn't trolling with my teemo build.

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dKiWi1 votes

basically be humble and give people the benefit of doubt instead of being an arrogant know-it-all. Some noob flamed my adc for going relic shield when he himself was the one that was not up to speed (korean overheal build).

and anyway if someone had a bad build it isnt likely he is the sole reason for all your deaths

DBS Ronovon1 votes

Its a troll.

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