Ornn Is OP? What can we do?

woodvsmurph··16 votes·4,151 views

So I've thought this from the little I played him. I thought he was even more op when I had to play against him and he took aftershock instead of grasp. People on the boards think he's op. High elo streamers think he's op. Too op. So why is he so strong and what can/should be done about it?

Why: Many many reasons that factor together. Shopping in lane (great if winning, not bad if losing because you don't always have to base and miss xp). Tons of cc. CC immunity. %hp damage. %hp shield. The damage on his w ticks very quickly and makes him immune to cc. It also gives a brittle proc at the end. Since you don't want ornn to proc this and get aftershock, you are zoned away. Alternately, you fight, get stunned, take damage from aftershock, and... ornn presses w again - repeating the process. W is on a very low cd - similar to rumble q before the damage was increased but at the cost of a longer cd. It prevents enemies from effectively having a window in which they can reasonably trade against him. Furthermore, his abilities have had mana costs reduced significantly to the point that w is very spammable. Especially if mana band is taken. This actually matters a lot. Take jayce for instance. He does a ton of damage early - out-trading enemies in both ranged and melee form and locks to rack up multiple early laning kills and snowball from there. But opponents - being unable to win a straight-up trade 1v1 in most cases - can play the alternate method to beating an opponent (the sustain game). Jayce's mana pool is very low - a price he pays for all that harass damage he does early game. Opponents can simply run him out of mana so he cannot use spells, then beat him from there. This method doesn't really work with ornn currently because of mana band, ability to shop while in lane, and too generous of mana costs for ornn. In many ways, it is as if ornn is a tank version of rumble but with more cc and much more durability without sacrificing in early game damage.

What can be done? There are several possibilities. The cd on his w could be increased - preventing him from spamming it and opening windows for opponents to fight back where they won't be stunned immediately by brittle and hit with another w. The damage on w could be reduced or dealt in fewer ticks - giving opponents more chances to dodge out on some of the damage. Higher mana costs on w would also work to prevent ornn from spamming is w and force players to consider wisely the best time to use it.

21 Comments

LotusOfTheLight6 votes

I don't know why you getting downvotes for this? I gave you a upvote because he is broken.

But these fucking idiots that downvoting you haven't watched the kespa cup 2017 yet playing on 7.22 where Ornn is permabanned most of the matches. But these are bronze players and disagree with everyone. Ignore them.

woodvsmurph1 votes

[galio-happy]

Colton1471 votes

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I don't know why you getting downvotes for this? I gave you a upvote because he is broken.

But these fucking idiots that downvoting you haven't watched the kespa cup 2017 yet playing on 7.22 where Ornn is permabanned most of the matches. But these are bronze players and disagree with everyone. Ignore them.

Believe it or not, Ornn is weak.

You refuse to learn how to counter him and know his weaknesses.

Sasogwa1 votes

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Believe it or not, Ornn is weak.

You refuse to learn how to counter him and know his weaknesses.

"Proplayers are retards and have no idea how to deal with an underpowered champ"

Yea sure boy

Colton1471 votes

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"Proplayers are retards and have no idea how to deal with an underpowered champ"

Yea sure boy

He has a lot of counterplay and weaknesses.

Assuming one's gender is quite rude. ;)

LotusOfTheLight1 votes

Watch the kespa cup 2017 and you will see ornn permabanned most games. Oh but Korea ban a weak champ according to Colton147. Man gtfo.

Basura Nephilim1 votes

If you had actually provided something of worth other than just saying ''naah he's weak, counterplay around him''

Yea, everything is weak if you counterplay around them. So what is the counterplay to Ornn? Because Orn with flask, into catalyst has a lot of sustain, dmg, dmg mitigation and can build counter in lane easily while outtrading you.

Orns don't lose in lane since the buff. Before that he was piss weak, now he's just slightly over the top on a few points.

So, where's your input mr-sister-gender-fluid? Cause so far all your statements, without anything backing those claims up, are kind of well...like nipples on a man. Useless. And even more so than assuming gender, assuming conclusions without backing them up is quite a character trait that is worse than being rude imho.

LotusOfTheLight1 votes

https://lol.gamepedia.com/2017_LoL_KeSPA_Cup/Statistics/Champions

What a surprise, an 84.5% ban rate in Kespa cup. Definitely a weak champion.

AR URF2 votes

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I don't know why you getting downvotes for this? I gave you a upvote because he is broken.

But these fucking idiots that downvoting you haven't watched the kespa cup 2017 yet playing on 7.22 where Ornn is permabanned most of the matches. But these are bronze players and disagree with everyone. Ignore them.

The bronze players that only play tanks and think there's nothing wrong with dealing damage and taking a ton of damage and walking away with half hp.

SuperLuigiLXIV5 votes

They need to move his shield to his charge.

Right now his W is an all-in-one answer to everything. CC resistance and guaranteed power trading, all in a single button.

Take off the self-mitigation during the trading and at least his lane opponents can hit back.

woodvsmurph1 votes

I agree that moving his shield or the %hp damage to another basic ability would help a lot.

Ðraconas1 votes

His kit just screams overtuned:

%max hp Shield? Check. %max hp enemy damage? Check. Damage scaling from your tank stats? Check.

Not to mention his ridiculous 40 sec cd ult late game when he has 40% cdr to go with those nice tanky items.

RookPusher1 votes

I use him a lot as a support, so I don't feel it as much, but when I face him in the top lane he seems really strong. Having said that, I've managed to survive so far when having a half-competent jungle

Ragnaveil1 votes

The percent dmg on W from the breath should be tuned down. Increasing the cd on W just makes him useless as shit, it is the bread and butter of his kit. Not to mention it has a 12 second cooldown starting at level 1. His early mana costs are heavy as can be, the Q use to be 75 mana and it drained the life out of him. Not to mention his base tank stats are not high to begin with. 33 armor and 32 mr. He can get harassed a good amount in the lane phase.

Athenes Lulu1 votes

Just revert most of his buffs.

I know that's a lot to ask from Riot, but he was actually pretty "balanced" during release.

People here were legit begging for Ornn buffs when people were still trying to figure him out.

woodvsmurph1 votes

I think the mana cost reduction stuff was probably needed. But yeah, he's definitely a bit overdone with buffs currently. The problem lies in the lack of a trading windown between brittle's long duration and ornn's w being spammed for waveclear and because it's his best ability by far. Reverting all the buffs would make him nigh unplayable, but definitely some changes are needed.

Colton1471 votes

I've said my thoughts. ;)

Jaspers1 votes

I didn't realise what people meant by all this Ornn being too strong as I'd never really gone against him other than in ARAM where everyone is OP... except Kayn. Then I played against him in a normal yesterday in Top Lane. I picked Lissandra, she's doing well there because of Manaflow. The Ornn I was against built HP then armour into me. All I could do is slowly chip away at him. Or maybe it's because Liss is weak? Is basic HP a counter to Liss?

The things I noticed was that his W did too much damage for an ability that keeps him shielded and CC immune plus his E's knockup radius seemed too big too. I was no where near that pillar sometimes but I'm knocked up regardless.

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