Talon needs nerfs

Bultz·Apr 1, 2017·6 votes·456 views

I've been saying this forever, he can escape anything without being chased, insta kill tanks, his damage is stupidly broken, I mean this says all it needs to

FIRST BLOOD RATE BY CHAMPION

RANK CHAMPION FIRST BLOOD RATE 1 TALON 24.9%

10 Comments

MissingKayoApr 1, 20176 votes

tfw people are still shitposting about talon stop crying and learn to play the fucking game if you think he can instakill a tank, you are worse than plastic 25

BultzApr 1, 20171 votes

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tfw people are still shitposting about talon stop crying and learn to play the fucking game if you think he can instakill a tank, you are worse than plastic 25

Your fking kidding yourself if you think he's balanced.

ChaddyFantomeApr 1, 20174 votes

he can escape anything without being chased.

No he can't. It's more of a window that if he reaches, he is home free, assuming he properly set up his escape route.

insta kill tanks,

Now you are just making shit up.

his damage is stupidly broken, RANK CHAMPION FIRST BLOOD RATE 1 TALON 24.9%

That isn't evident of his damage being broken, it is evident of him having an absurdly strong level 2 powerspike, which makes sense since he gains access to his passive at level 2.

Even tho he gets first blood the most, he still only ranked 61 in terms of how well it even benefits him in the long run in terms of winrates.

BultzApr 1, 20171 votes

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No he can't. It's more of a window that if he reaches, he is home free, assuming he properly set up his escape route.

Yes he can, he has insta recharges on the skill, only the walls cd, Plz tell me how he is caught after he jumps plz.

Now you are just making shit up.

Have you not

1 TALON 24.9%

That isn't evident of his damage being broken, it is evident of him having an absurdly strong level 2 powerspike, which makes sense since he gains access to his passive at level 2.

Stop. Just fkign stop. Hes fking broken.

ChaddyFantomeApr 2, 20171 votes

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Yes he can, he has insta recharges on the skill, only the walls cd, Plz tell me how he is caught after he jumps plz.

He has to walk to a wall to jump over it. Said wall has to not have been used in the last minute 2 minutes without CDR and points in his E, which he maxes last.

Outside of jumping over said wall, he is immobile, has lower base MS than mages and he can easily be CC'd before or during the wall hop to pin him down and kill him or cancel his jump while still putting the wall on CD makign him a sitting duck. And as such, he becomes less and less mobile each time he jumps a wall.

Other assassins can just dash in any direction they want at any moment. he has to basically find hurdles to be mobile, and he cant use them repeatedly.

His Vault speed is also affected by his MS, meaning slows make him flip at the speed of molasses, making it easy to take him out during his vault since he is still targetable and vulnerable to damage during it.

Even after he jumps over the first wall, you still have a whole 2 seconds minimum to chase and kill him before he jumps over another wall afterwards, at which point he is generally home free.

The most important thing to remember is that he is almost completely immobile outside of said conditional E wall op, and each time he uses it he becomes even more and more mobile. In contrast, Camille's Hookshot is basically better in every way with the only advantage to Talon's E being the short CD, since Hookshot proves more consistent and versatile Mobility and can be used on the same wall how many times as well as providing an offensive component with CC attached. <_>

Then we have Leblanc W, which can be uses wherever and whenever she wants, go over walls just as Talon's E, deals AoE damage, applies her High damage Passive, AND can be cast again to port back to the starting point, letting her actually go back over walls she jumps, something Talon can't do.

NIdelee's Pounce which can be uses any time in any direction at no cost.. etc etc. you see my point.

The key to dealing with Talon's E is understanding how it works. it is a powerful spell, but it isn't even the best mobility spell in the game. Far from it.

Have you not

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Stop. Just fking stop. Hes fking broken.

IF your arguments have devolved to this, then clearly i am wasting my time typing this here.

Challenger AhriApr 1, 20173 votes

Ok, but what's his winrate? c:

BultzApr 1, 20171 votes

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Ok, but what's his winrate? c:

Okay whats his first blood rate?

Challenger AhriApr 1, 20175 votes

First blood doesn't really mean anything unless he's winning the majority of his games. Yeah, his damage is obnoxious, but that doesn't mean he's op.

MissingKayoApr 1, 20175 votes

That doesn't mean fucking shit. He has a strong level 2 spike. That's literally all it means.

Taliyah RocksApr 1, 20171 votes

I do hate Talon's early game. He has soooo much damage and his lvl 2 took me by surprise one. His W-Q-AA-ignite literally 100-0 my poor Zyra :( with his strong base damage and roaming potential it makes him a snowball machine.

That said i find it stupid how much at some point during the game he becomes so irrelevant. Like at the 25-30 minute mark, if Talon's team didn't win yet, it becomes basically a 5v4. Talon becomes unable to kill anyone and becomes obselete.