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@Riot, with Rylais' slow being HALVED Mordekaiser could really use some more base MS

Malicious Metal··148 votes·9,067 views

Mordekaiser's rework lowered Mordekaiser's MS by a WHOLE 15 MS due to his Synergy with Rylais and being balanced around its slow. It was due to giving him some counterplay since he needed to stick to you for 3 whole AA's to bonk you with his Mace of Spades, thus they lowered his AS and MS to compensate for how reliant the 40% slow was.

Now with the slow being lowered to a mere 20% Mordekaiser will be in dire need for some more movement speed in order to stick to champions and do his thing. No longer will you be slowed to a crawl when fighting him but you'll have ways to outrun him. Now he used to have 340 MS back when Rylais had 15% MS but I'm not asking for him to get back his former MS.

I just feel it's finally time to give him back some of his former base MS seeing that Rylais just became a lot worse in terms of sticking power. Mages still have their range, CC, (mobility?) and MS to not be overly reliant on it but Mordekaiser is going to suffer the consequences of these nerfs.

So please, show the Murder Kaiser some love and give him some base MS buffs. Something between 5 or 10 more MS might be just right.

-MM

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141 Comments

Melledoneus26 votes

First, Mordekaiser needs to change those kicks. I mean, seriously...

https://img.ifcdn.com/images/bd7eac997cf4382354a7106133bb39229630c3dc353f52105b8c9084c69f8904_1.jpg

Ralanr17 votes

He and Pantheon are the only customers left at Pizza Feet Emporium! Do you want to drive them out of business?!

A Superb Villain2 votes

Veigar's feet are literal pyramids.

Ralanr2 votes

He has feet? I assumed he just wore a cloak all the way down.

I must have not noticed since I his hat blocks a good chunk of him from the angle I look at him.

Troll for Trump12 votes

item 3070 Udyr item 3070

He lost his chance at freedom when his VGU became Spirit Guard Uyr

BeardedLuchador3 votes

shrugs at least you get a cool Udyr skin. Morde's skins had custom particles in some way or another, but then the Juggernaut Update attacked, and everything changed...

Troll for Trump2 votes

Talon could use a visual update too, with that weird lil' cape.

And his outdated skins.

Venomar2 votes

Good idea. Give him some pumps and that'd be good for at least 25 ms.

BeardedLuchador3 votes

You shall respect our Lord Pizza Feet! HE IS ONE OF THE LAST OF HIS KIND!!!!

But seriously, that pizza has been rotten since S1. It stinks. He needs a full VGU.

Morde Next Door16 votes

All juggernauts have 340 - 350 MS EXCEPT MORDEKAISER. He has the least mobility out of all of them kit wise and base movespeed wise. Give him 340-350 MS please!

Malicious Metal9 votes

Well, now that I think of it 340 MS doesn't sound too outrageous seeing that he's already lacking in the base stat department.

agbudar12 votes

LESS MAX HP THEN Sona AT LVL 18 LESS ARMOR THEN Soraka AT LVL 18 (actually at all stages of the game she has more then him) third lowest health regen at lvl 1 WORST health regen scaling he is below the bottom of the barrel as a matter of fact.

Mordekaiser supposed to be a tanky badd asss right? but hey we get a whopping 146 base ad at lvl 18 so at least the mace is genuine the armor might have been from walmart though

BeardedLuchador2 votes

I remember when he was basically Tahm Kench during S1 before Tahm Kench was even a dream of Riot. A tanky sunfire cloak of a man that you couldn't kill, but would outlast both his team and your team...

I wish they'd bring the tank steroid back to his W. It was at its best when it gave the tanky steroid + the magnet to your buffed ally.

HowIGankedYou4 votes

The problem with Morde is that he still has range and his kit lacks on counter play.

"But Morde is melee! And the kit of other juggernauts also lack on counterplay!"

Well Morde is melee when he autoattacks but even if his Q/autoattack is the most important part of his kit now, he has 3 abilities which are pretty much ranged. His W has a good range but not much area of effect and it also is dependent on a mate in many cases. His E has a pretty good range and area of effect. And his R is point and click with a decent range. Out of all juggernauts does he have the most range.

Getting now to the counterplay he also has together with Skarner the least counterplay from the juggernauts. While you can either run into Darius his Q so you don't get a stack from his passive and less damage or run out of it to avoid it, you don't have a choice by Morde. It's either be in range, get slowed, get killed or be out of range and you are safe. The only way you can counterplay morde is to stay out of range or kill him before he can use his third Q proc. That is a general problem for juggernauts but by the others you have more options to counter them.

I would recommend a full Morde (+Skarner) rework. A simple buff is not a solution even if it are 5 ms. And maybe it could be considered to make him more of a tank. Maybe the juggernaut theme fits better for him, but a heavy CC tank could also fit and would be better if a juggernaut Morde doesn't offer enough counterplay.

Over Innsmouth7 votes

Vlad could use his 5 ms back too, if it's not too much.

Ralanr12 votes

Sion could use having his MS not bloody decay in his passive.

Over Innsmouth4 votes

I find Glory in Death a fine passive. I don't expect it to work every time it gets used, but when it does work you're basically getting a free kill despite already being dead.

Ralanr3 votes

I just hate it when tier one boots outrun me.

It's like they're taunting me.

Over Innsmouth2 votes

Ramping MS with passive? Rewarding having loads of health?

Ralanr6 votes

No, I just don't want his passive MS to be less than his base MS.

Malicious Metal5 votes

Rylais nerfs is a buff to immobile melees.

Ralanr6 votes

Sion's passive was never really hindered enough by Rylai's for me to ever care.

Being alive on the other hand.

Glory ln Death4 votes

It's so annoying having Boots of Swiftness + your passive's MS boost ability... and STILL getting out-walked by a guy who only has regular boots.

Ralanr2 votes

Exactly this. It's infuriating.

GULAG 4 U6 votes

Yeah, this way I won't be slower as Mordekaiser with item 3009 than a yi with no boots and item 3087 item 3046

Mordepool6 votes

Just in case a RED comments. I will say Preemptively We would trade the MS from W in a heartbeat for better base MS. The W MS interaction is Boring, puts a burden of knowledge on your allies since it's HEAVILY directional and feels negligible even when at its Maximum.

W in general puts a burden of knowledge on your allies which frankly negates the overall usefulness of the ability. I would love to see this iteration scrapped

KnightOfEloHell2 votes

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Just in case a RED comments. I will say Preemptively We would trade the MS from W in a heartbeat for better base MS. The W MS interaction is Boring, puts a burden of knowledge on your allies since it's HEAVILY directional and feels negligible even when at its Maximum.

W in general puts a burden of knowledge on your allies which frankly negates the overall usefulness of the ability. I would love to see this iteration scrapped

Not to mention how w MS decays the closer you get to the cast

Mordepool2 votes

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Not to mention how w MS decays the closer you get to the cast

Forgot about that. Sorry for no reply this Mobile users boards Nerf is BS

KnightOfEloHell1 votes

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Forgot about that. Sorry for no reply this Mobile users boards Nerf is BS

The MS from w would be great if it didn't decay as you get closer. I think Q should grant MS every one you land. It'd make Morde a REAL juggernaut

Glory ln Death2 votes

If only they had a Phage upgrade that worked well for Morde...

BeardedLuchador2 votes

Or you could just scrap the shitty useless nerfed to shit passive XP gain on the W.

redfeenix5 votes

Just give him a slow in his base kit. Perhaps W or E?

Leoric's Q is the prime example of what Morde's Mace should be able to do: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGVYgvRkBBA

No champ should ever have to rely on an item for their core playstyle. WIthout Rylais, Morde suffers too much. Therefore bringing a slow into his base kit would improve his play experience.

Boulderox2 votes

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No champ should ever have to rely on an item for their core playstyle. Aatrox item 3074 or item 3153 Akali item 3146 Gnar item 3022 every champs position revolves around their first item power spike, i hate it but it is the reality

CookyPrince8 votes

Gnar doesn't necessarily need mallet, it's pretty much just for 1v1 potential.

Over Innsmouth4 votes

One Gnar gets a Mallet it's basically PvE unless they have multiple dashes.

agbudar5 votes

no

he should get 350 ms like most other juggers out there. and while we are at it plz remove his W passive for now and give him meaningfull stats like actual health regen and such

KnightOfEloHell3 votes

{quoted}

no

he should get 350 ms like most other juggers out there. and while we are at it plz remove his W passive for now and give him meaningfull stats like actual health regen and such

There are 3 reasons not to buff Morde's regen: -w heals, just heal off a nearby jungle camp and walk back into lane, or poke with w deactivate -R grants healing: that plus the regen he has gives you crazy fast regen, especially when you build AP and ult a tank. -Ghosts grants stats: tanky ghosts and dragon make you very tanky.

A decent MS would be much more effective than regen or health, in my opinion.

TyrekGoldenspear3 votes

I dunno, 5 MS seems so insignificant a change...

Malicious Metal23 votes

5 MS is a LOT But if it's so insignificant why not revert his MS to 340?

Ralanr4 votes

Why not? His armor can't be that heavy if it's so thin.

TyrekGoldenspear4 votes

My bad MM, I just don't see it.

Maybe it's because this is the first MOBA I have ever played, but small number changes like 5 MS or + or - 5 AD don't seem like significant changes.

I have no doubt that I would get it better after I play this game more, but I don't want you to think I don't want Morde getting buffed.

I do in fact, but like I said before I'm not used to such small number changes being looked at as significant at all.

BastionKross17 votes

Small changes in MS can be huge if the champion is immobile. If you buff Lee's MS by 5, he's not going to notice much since he's always dashing around anyway. Morde is walking 100% of the time, so he's always using those 5 extra MS.

GigglesO3 votes

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Small changes in MS can be huge if the champion is immobile. If you buff Lee's MS by 5, he's not going to notice much since he's always dashing around anyway. Morde is walking 100% of the time, so he's always using those 5 extra MS.

Wellllll to be fair lee sin also has one of the highest base movement speeds in the game.

Mordepool8 votes

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Wellllll to be fair lee sin also has one of the highest base movement speeds in the game. Lee's base Movement speed is = to Morde + boots of speed

GigglesO7 votes

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Lee's base Movement speed is = to Morde + boots of speed

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How can I upvote this more than once?

The reason people like playing lee sin so much is because of his mobility. Not only can he fly across the battlefield, but he also just walks across the map faster than other champions. How is "just dodge his q" counter play, when he can literally walk up to you and point blank auto attack, q, auto, r, q, and if you are anything other than a tank, you die instantly?

TyrekGoldenspear3 votes

Well when it's put that way I get it a lot better, thanks guy. ^^

Muddafragot3 votes

"You only need to click once, fool!"

I'll click as many times as I need to fool myself into thinking this champ is getting anywhere anytime this year!

HeresyHorus3 votes

3 things i need for me to keep playing Morde until riot do him justice :

1- Revert the Ulti damage back to 0.5/0.5

2- Revert the Q damage nerf

3- make the Q lasts longer when activated ( this one is important, stupid riot adc bias with jhin )

EROTIC RAID BOSS1 votes

so you want him to be really op

HeresyHorus2 votes

how so ?

his weaknesses are still the same

at least with those things he will be compensated with damage because right now the reward is not on par with all the weakneses given to him with the slow ms + no cc + short Q duration

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