If there's a team with 4 healers and you refuse to get grevious wounds, don't complain that you can't get kills.
If there's a morde and you don't build QSS, don't complain about his ult.
If there's a Y and you don't build Z, don't complain about it.
[slayer-jinx-wink]
Pika Fox22 votesPretty much. Unless youre a support, you have build options available. If you are a support, generally difficult as you lack the gold and item availability.
Hethalean1 votesI was wondering how support would work.
How about tanks? Can tanks reasonably build QSS for mord?
blindasleep8 votesI was wondering how support would work.
How about tanks? Can tanks reasonably build QSS for mord?
If Morde ults the support, they are using one of a select few supports, Morde is bad, that support is the only player doing well on that team, the support is not really a support, somebody got caught out, or maybe they are running smite with unsealed spellbook.
Onerios4 votesTanks and QSS is a bit iffy, unless you absolutely positively need to break out because your team is going to get run over in the 4v4 (or whatever size fight happens outside) if you don't then your usually better off getting a stronger MR tank item such as spirit visage and/or adaptive helm and stalling out the mord.
AnotherFeeder1 votesI was wondering how support would work.
How about tanks? Can tanks reasonably build QSS for mord?
Build mikaels...
Paletongue1 votesyou can't target an ally to end morde ult though, right?
AnotherFeeder1 votesyou can't target an ally to end morde ult though, right?
No, but you can use it on yourself to keep him from being able to pull you out of a fight and kill you for free.
Trist mid opop2 votesI was wondering how support would work.
How about tanks? Can tanks reasonably build QSS for mord?
Mages does so...
Zero Skill Tank1 votesWhich kind of proves how bullshit Morde ult is, because we didn't have a class building an item that they can't reasonably complete for ages now.
Trist mid opop2 votesWhich kind of proves how bullshit Morde ult is, because we didn't have a class building an item that they can't reasonably complete for ages now.
Close to everyone builds qss vs malza even if they cant complete it. But yes, mages needs a qss ap item
goodiesohhi1 votesI was wondering how support would work.
How about tanks? Can tanks reasonably build QSS for mord?
If you're dying as a tank to just a morde ulting you. IDK what you're doing. And why would morde ult a tank? If you're a tank you should have enough survivability and cc to not die to a morde.
Champion Skin1 votesTo be fair Tanks if they aren't immediately ulted can often be a bad target simply because after they have used their ultimate and CC they don't mind being able to absorb 100% Mordekaisers damage while they have their CC on cooldown... yeah Mordekaiser will likely crush them in the 1v1 but they likely wouldn't have that much else to offer their team other than being a big body so that trade is beneficial to the tanks team assuming they don't somehow lose the 4v4 or are only able to go even
Like if Malphite has already use his R + E and Q then him being pulled away doesn't really hurt his team much as he doesn't really have much left to aid his own team (or hamper the enemy team) so Malphite being able to absorb 100% of Mordekaisers damage for a while is clearly beneficial to Malphite
The Trent1 votes[{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vsdKYAvw,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-06-24T19:18:51.500+0000)
Pretty much. Unless youre a support, you have build options available. If you are a support, generally difficult as you lack the gold and item availability.
Supports have so many active build options that are so cheap... Unless your support is buying the wrong stuff such as finishing their tier 3 support item early and going for expensive boots over mobis... it's literally a cake walk to get counterplay as a support. Yeah morellos is out of the way... but your adc gets to buy a grevious wounds for 800 g... why would u ever need to buy it for yourself as a support? And if you're a tank support then actually throw that out the window because bramble vest is extremely cheap. Supports not being able to get strong items is fake news. The old rank 1 challenger support literally would roam and steal kills just so he could reach his items faster because support items are so good and they have so many options. Even building tanky as an enchanter support is viable... like I don't get what you mean, but support isn't some non carry role anymore... they literally buffed support so many times into a carry role. People who act like it isn't clearly don't play it at high elos lol.
Pika Fox2 votes[{quoted}](name=The Trent,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vsdKYAvw,comment-id=00000002,timestamp=2019-06-24T22:12:56.994+0000)
Supports have so many active build options that are so cheap... Unless your support is buying the wrong stuff such as finishing their tier 3 support item early and going for expensive boots over mobis... it's literally a cake walk to get counterplay as a support. Yeah morellos is out of the way... but your adc gets to buy a grevious wounds for 800 g... why would u ever need to buy it for yourself as a support? And if you're a tank support then actually throw that out the window because bramble vest is extremely cheap. Supports not being able to get strong items is fake news. The old rank 1 challenger support literally would roam and steal kills just so he could reach his items faster because support items are so good and they have so many options. Even building tanky as an enchanter support is viable... like I don't get what you mean, but support isn't some non carry role anymore... they literally buffed support so many times into a carry role. People who act like it isn't clearly don't play it at high elos lol.
Literally not how support plays.
You rush your t3 if youre relic shield. Else you rush T2, which still puts you behind other players.
If youre running spellthiefs, if youre not ahead youre far behind in gold.
Yes your ADC can get exec for 800g, but thats your ADC and not you, and bramble only works if theyre hitting you and only builds into thornmail, not particularly useful for a support given thornmail costs too much for not enough stats.
The Trent4 votes[{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=vsdKYAvw,comment-id=000000020000,timestamp=2019-06-24T23:59:51.637+0000)
Literally not how support plays.
You rush your t3 if youre relic shield. Else you rush T2, which still puts you behind other players.
If youre running spellthiefs, if youre not ahead youre far behind in gold.
Yes your ADC can get exec for 800g, but thats your ADC and not you, and bramble only works if theyre hitting you and only builds into thornmail, not particularly useful for a support given thornmail costs too much for not enough stats.
bro why are you trying to tell me how support plays when you're level 90, unranked for all seasons, and only play arams. And yeah... I pulled the ranked card, because anyone could say some bs statement and act like they're good, but only certain players actually have the proof of being good. Please don' tell me how to play support, I'm a support main and you're an aram main.
The Kombinator1 votesAs support main i can assure you, that Support can't carry alone. Sure a good support means a hell of a difference, but will not win the game without at least one good teammate.
Poker supports need the ADC to poke as well. Otherwise their trading will end up badly. Assuming the enemy is not an idiot.
Tank supports need the ADC to ract the engage. Otherwise they just end up 2v1. Not engaging will lose the lane against poker, and protector support. Fast agains poker, and slow against protector.
Protector support needs a teammate they can work with in teamfight. Someone worth protecting. That person is not neccessarily the ADC. Better give everything to a fed Yi, than a worthless Jihn as Lulu.
As for building. They still got less gold. It's pretty much the weakness of the poker supports. If they fail to get some kills/assist early, then the lack of gold makes them worthless until late. I remember non-fed support Lux putting out whole combo on ADC, and dealt like 40% damage. Took like 3 seconds for him to get it back from lifesteal. As tank building QSS isn't much problem since mr. is good anyway. As protector building QSS means delaying other important items. Though their lack of items is not that critical.
Champion Skin1 votesAs tank building QSS isn't much problem since mr. is good anyway. As protector building QSS means delaying other important items. Though their lack of items is not that critical.
And might not even be necessary especially if it is an engage tank who generally start off fights with their CC.... after all if the tank has already used their CC and utility then being able to absorb 100% of Mordekaisers damage on top of that isn't a bad thing (you are building to be able to soak damage so being given the perfect opportunity where the enemy is forced to damage you isn't necessarily a bad thing)
Yes of course the tank will likely get crushed in the 1v1 but the 4v4 should favor the tanks team (though of course that depends a lot on the teams)
Caitlyn FTW17 votes[deleted]
xAcidik1 votesSame tho.
Tin Obliterates13 votesIf there's a morde and you don't build QSS, don't complain about his ult.
"B-but I need another BF Sword if I wanna do any damage to them!" - My friend I sometimes duo with, after getting ulted and killed by Mordekaiser 4 times in a row, before proceeding to call him broken and uncounterable.
GigglesO13 votesSo I have permission to complain about the ridiculous amounts of damage in this game as I'm playing 
and building straight tank and still dying in less than 3 seconds.
The Kombinator1 votesPretty much. I played as Rammus several times, and despite being pure tank. I still die in less than 5 seconds after engage.
Kanzler12 votesIf morde is ulting the support, you consider it a win for the team fight.
Onerios4 votesKind of depends on what else is going on. Ulting the support when it's a structured fight and the teams look something like lulu+vayne+XYX and your mord+zed+ABC is often going to be the right call, mord can't reasonably deal with vayne with or without lulu around but taking lulu out the picture can let zed get a much easier assassination run off. The vayne is still going to buy the qss to avoid a "my team just lost the 4v4 while I was forced to 1v1 mord" situation as well, which makes zed's life even easier as it delays things like GA. Or if it's a damage support like vel'koz or brand, ulting them before they can aoe dump gives you an easy target to kill and prevents them from having an impact on the fight.
LeafyGreen8 votesIf I am playing morde and I ult yuumi it usually is amazing for our team
FullmuteAll play1 votesI can't believe the stupidity of these Mords. No shit I literally got ulted my Morde as support. Funniest thinng he almost never killed me.
Ichi Ni San9 votesis there an anti-
item? im still looking...
[sg-zephyr]
The Kombinator1 votesTahm is strong early, but worthless late. His ratios are so low, that his damage will be pretty much worthless. All the team has to do is ignore him, and kill him as last in 1 vs many. In early i'm not sure how to hard counter it, but picking a ranged allows at least under-turret farm.
Teemo works pretty well once Liandry done. % damage hurts him badly, and he can't stack while blinded, and can't outrun Teemo. Especially not when there is a minefield before him.
Ichi Ni San1 votesi tried ap shaco and found that his q can usually be paired with a well-timed box to block the damage AND discourage him from chasing into you. teemo seems fine, i will consider that more when im not first pick !!
FullmuteAll play1 votesYes 
FiveAneurysms7 votesHope every mage that complains about zed and talon reads this while they build 
first item and face tank said assassins damage.
(Not that I think Zed is fucking balanced)
AR URF6 votesYou know the sad thing is you have to post this on the forums. I keep seeing that mistake, like all the time.
PermaJinxed6 votesMages can build 
to negate 
ult. As he holds up his mace and the beam hits you, pop Zhonya's and you won't even enter the death realm (he won't get the starts either)
Dewott6103 votesstill want something that AP champs can build 
because with and 
you're practically forced to give up a item slot of useless AD stats, especially if you have no AD ratios
Tychusfindlay9183 votesshit thread. If a champion is made or killed by just one item he's problematic.
His ult shouldn't steal any stats at all, create simply an arena, and if the other person dies then he steals stats. QSS should also not free people from ult.
The Kombinator2 votesThe secondary problem is the CC. While ulted by Morde you can't do anything. As AOE champ, or Support you are pretty much screwed. Also lots of champion can be drastically reduced with a single item.
pretty much counters all assassins.
Heal reduction items are nearly halves 
Is great agains Morde, Malza, and any team with heavy CC.
ZaFishbone3 votesIf there's a morde and you don't build QSS, don't complain about his ult.
Yeah, 
, 
, 
might have a problem with that. Also why would I need to QSS morde, when I can just kill him?
Nyarlathοtep1 votesYeah,
Actually fizz can counter his ulti. Difficult but in theory possible. Also both fizz and ahri can dance around him for days.
MrFawknSunshine2 votesi think there needs to be more then one item build from . so its more viable on other classes/roles.
but then again i think there needs to be a lot more items for situations.
Rivini2 votesWell, the complaints worked to get Malzahar nerfed into the ground after 6+ patches in a row immediately after his rework.
People don't want to think. They want to be stubborn and stick to their copy and paste meta builds.
Jennifer4202 votesvs morde alone i need open wounds, qss, im still an adc so i need ie and at least 2 zeal items + boots. im alrdy full build only to "counter" 1 champ that can still fuck me if his e hits me. theres 4 other enemy champs. and most likely one of them is an ad assassin.
hrooza dota 2 votes{quoted} If there's a morde and you don't build QSS, don't complain about his ult.
im complaining about his normal kit tho
[sg-janna]
I Spread Cancer2 votesOk, I will spend 3000 on Morello when playing Lulu support.
Daddy Ants2 votesIf you're vs a Tank and you refuse to build Armor Penetration / Void Staff you have no right to complain that you can't kill a tank.
TobiasyThA1 votesQSS against morde's ult???
Zane Zephyr2 votesit cancels it
hhaavviikk1 votesCan't exactly blame someone for not building QSS vs mordekaiser because it makes no logical sense that QSS would counter his ult, unless you get told so on a forum with possible evidence to back it up you'd never assume that QSS, that item that ONLY removes CC, also removes mordekaiser his ult which is not CC.
Lovelle1 votesDepends on who you're playing, but I agree. For example, building QSS on juggernauts kinda sucks, as they barely benefit from the upgrade.
Hypo Acro1 votesVery much this. I had a game not too long ago where my Talon was complaining about their 300 armor Shen being unkillable. When I very simply told him to get armor pen, his response was "I can't. I need more CDR" and "im an assassins i dont have attack speed".
His CDR was capped btw.
nut on mic1 votesMy favorite is when my mid rushes Luden's and gets 1 shot by Zed 5 times in a row, then blames me for being the jungler. [slayer-jinx-wink]
