5 reasons why SUPPORTS suck, dear @RiotMeddler

Inquisitor Kane·11/19/2016, 7:20:04 PM·12 votes·1,186 views

Hello,

I am sure lots of you already read this pile of Hecarimsht Mr. Meddler posted few days ago.

Dunno how about you but as a suport main it got my heart-rate quite high. I juist hate when someone who has no idea what's going on is trying to make smart moves and fix problems he doesn't even grasp (or care about). So here I come with a rant about the real problems supports are facing and hopefuly someone with power to do something about this will catch a wind of this. Feel free to add your own ideas or improvements or tell me if I'm wrong.

#WHY SUPPORT ROLE SUCK - THE REAL REASONS

  • SUPPORT 100% DEPENDS ON THEIR TEAM Why ppl play mid and top? So they can solo carry. Support can't do sht. Support can't 1v1. Support can't take or steal dragon/baron with Smite. Support can't split push or even destroy the tower on their own. This is - dear Riot - the main reason nobody likes support. Nobody wants to play the game thinking "omg if this ADC or mid laner doesn't snowball my ELO is fckd". That is how we, supports, feel every time playing our roles. Even ppl who says that you can carry yourself as a support will agree - you carry yourself by feeding your strong players and protecting them so THEY can do the dmg and take objectives. So basically you are carrying them to carry you - if it makes sense. Basically support's only saving grace is shot call. And even if it's good - if the team doesn't listen to it, support is useless.

HOW TO FIX THIS While I don't need Braum to 1v1 Zed or Janna to solo Baron, supports needs some power over the game. Not only to be a peelbot or CC machine. GIVE THE ROLE MEANING. Give us more power. For instance give us more power over vision and dewarding - Sightstone with true vision or make supports be able to place 6+2 wards... anything! Give us some CS denying mechanics, give us items that can fck up terrain or something... I don't have solid ideas how to make supports more impactful but hey - I am not payed to have ideas. You pay me, I fix this sht :-) Or ask pro players how to make support more impactful ... OR ... just look at DotA2. What makes supports there so important that nowadays they have a solid tactics of 2 supports+ADC bot and no jungler? Maybe you can steal... I mean get inspired... by that :-P

  • ** BALLANCE TEAM DOESN'T EVEN PLAY THIS GAME** This is basically the root of all evil. I have no idea if ballance team and gameplay team are the same people or 2 separate teams, but it is obvious they do not cover all the roles and lanes played in this game, which makes them incopetent when questioned about how to fix problems in game. Just read that "Some thoughts on supports" from Meddler. This guy obviously never played support, and doesn't even play bot lane (if he plays the game at all). These people look at the game through numbers, some imaginative statistics and then try to fix something they don't understand.

HOW TO FIX THIS Get some dedicated "mains" on the board. Cover all the roles, all the playstyles. Then you can have a nice conversation about all the buffs, nerfs and changes and everybody can tell how it will affect their role and gameplay so you can see what should go through and what should not. Maybe next time you don't end up with fckd up game like right now after assassin mega buff pack.

  • MANDATORY YEARLY VISION GAME FCK UP Every single year Riot diminishes the vision by half. While I understand the need for it - less vision > more kills > more interesting LCS/Worlds > more viewers > more money. So on one side you do this on purpose, on other you are crying about supports being least favourite role? No sht Sherlock! Being a "vision master" was one of the main tasks of the support. Remeber "warding is for supports" motto? Well, players didn't make it up. It was the deal. Support makes sure ppl see stuff on the map and can paly better. Now we have jack sht so the last thing supports were good at, is being chipped away bit by bit every time new season starts. Now we can't even see stealthy champions so we can't even peel properly. Sure that will make supports more popular, right?

HOW TO FIX THIS Give us back pink wards. Easy. Or make Control totem reveal surrounding area with true vision for a few seconds when placed. Or - as Mr. Utility Backline said in the comment section of the Meddler's BS article - make sightstone more powerful with champion level. As he said: "Make Sightstone after a certain champion level gain another ward charge AND increase total green wards on map ex: At level 11 Sightstone has 5 wards and you can place a max of 4 on the map (scales with Ruby and Sightstone + Support item merged items)." Sounds good. And here is one of my ideas - make Ruby Sightstone new passive - granting true vision let's say... 200 units around person carying it. SO we can see tarded assassins before they delete our entire team and maybe can save one person.

  • IT IS ALL ABOUT DAMAGE, AS YOU PROMOTE IT ALL THE TIME Who are the superstars of League? Even in pro scene - everybody cares about Faker, Bjergsen, Huni or Doublelift... But who knows about MATA? Who cares about Biofrost? After the hype is over, he will be "that guy that supports Doublelift". Or "yes, he is a support, who cares" like Aphromu, YellowStar or Krepo (sure even suport LCS players have fanbase, but small one). Compare the followers, compare the numbers, compare the "airing time" supports gets with how much you talk about damage dealers - or in other words - PLAYMAKERS. Even in my game, never ever I heared "omg Soraka you did 45k healing this game! Wow, you're god, that is what won us the game!!" or "wow you placed 35 wards this game, way to go man, honored". NEVER. EVER. IN. 4. YEARS. PLAYING. LEAGUE. It's always about "lel I got 35 out of our team's 50 kills, feels good man" or "wow look at my dmg dealt". Nobody gives fck about healing, shielding, warding. That's not dmg. That's not killing. That's not savage. So nobody cares.

HOW TO FIX THIS Start introducing supports to the community. Highlight how good support can help the team easily win the game. Show how supports are the real brains behind every successful marksman early game. Show how support roam can help not only the laner but the jungler as well (today I saw my jungler invade enemy bot jungle, I went there and secured a kill and enemy blue for our jungler.. nobody said sht, all praised jungler :D). Show players, that Support matter. This highly ties with "give supports meaning and power over the game" mentioned above. Show what can support do and tell the community how good support looks like. Priase pro support players in your videos and streams. Don't treat supports as sht, or at least don't be surprised afterwards, if nobody wants to play that role you yourself diminish.

  • RIOT DOESN'T LISTEN TO THE COMMUNITY ANYMORE Another sad truth. No matter how many comments we write, how many Reddit/Board posts we create, nobody gives fck. Non-NA boards are bluntly ignored (also non-NA Riot teams are so small and overwhelme with work they scarcely have time to write on Boards and even if they could they won't because they know that even if they say something it doesn't matter because non-NA servers doesn't matter), and nowadays even NA boards and Reddit are slowly but steadily getting less and less attention. And then the game starts to fall. Coincidence? Remember who's buying those sweet RP every month ;-)

HOW TO FIX THIS Since we are dealing with support class topic - why the fck can't you ask all NA LCS supports to come to your HQ for 3 hours and why don't you talk to them? Ask them what they think is the problem and how to fix it. Take notes. Think about it. Implement the good stuff. Even though I hate Blizzard one thing they do right - they listen to their community and in Hearthstone they even consult new cards with pro players. Because those ppl are paying their salaries at the end of the day. Games are for them. Need more input? Make a Skype call with EU LCS supports and ask for their opinion. Hell, make a questionaire, send it to Asian Riot cells, have it translated and distributed amongst top supports in Asia and have the answers translated to English and sent to your team. You will get the idea of what is the problem and can even get recommendations on how to fix this mess. FFS are you really that blind, Riot? Can't you do one thing right?

And here are 2 reasons why more free supports won't fix anything and how that proves Mr Meddler has no idea what's he doing:

  • CHAMPION POOL IS NOT A PROBLEM People who play support already has all or most of them in their champ pool. People who play supports "just to get to the game quicker" doesn't care, even if all supp champs were free. they will pick whatever they want, or stick to those 2 supp champs they bought by mistake. It is the same with me and a mid lane for example: I hate mid lane. I can't CS, can't roam, feed... I hate that role. So even if you made all mid laners free forever, I wouldnot play them. Because I hate mid lane and I am not interested in it. Same goes about support role and suppport champions. Do you get it now?

  • TAKING STATISTICS FROM DRAFT PICK It got deleted but Meddler said he will check if support role prefference in Draft pick rises during this "10 free support rotation" time... srsly? YOu are going to check 2 servers that have draft left and get "real" stats? Well played. The only way how to get some info for this pointless test got deleted. Don't tell me someone like Meddler didn't know about draft pick going away.... :-/

And last but not least...

  • IN GAME REWARDS FOR SUPPORTS Before you do something stupid like this pls - let me tell you - DON'T. NEVER EVER try to make the role that is hard as fck and not popular, to appeal to masses by giving maybe more IP or LP or special icons if players play certain amount of games as supports. What will happen is - everybody will que as a support for the rewards, not caring about the game outcome, not caring about learning the ropes, fcking up the game for everybody. So please, even in your utmost desperate moment - DON'T YOU EVEN THINK ABOUT IT.

That's it. Had to get it out, sorry for rudeness and bad English but I had to do this. I hope someone will give it a go.

-IK- Draven

14 Comments

SugarRayMoe11/19/2016, 7:47:27 PM6 votes
Jon117411/19/2016, 7:21:53 PM3 votes

I would like to agree with this but it is hard to see though the salt Bard

Profesionál11/20/2016, 8:14:14 PM3 votes

best opinion what i ever seen.

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

L0ve Is Blue12/1/2016, 1:08:51 PM2 votes

Don't forget supports having to be active bots in order to be usefull because they don't have access to AP so they have to build these shit MR, Armor, mana, mana regen, CDR, health and health regen (basicaly every fucking stat but AP or AD) items and then spam their abilities and actives so they can be somewhat relevant.

EVERY enchanter has super interesting AP scaling, but we never see any of them because they just go active slave instead of AP. Redemption brings nothing at all to the kit of an enchanter, but the active is so fucking broken everyone is forced to build it.

Risk of Fate11/20/2016, 4:55:28 AM1 votes

Why ppl play mid and top? So they can solo carry. Support can't do sht. Support can't 1v1. Support can't take or steal dragon/baron with Smite. Support >can't split push or even destroy the tower on their own.

Let me just mention the one time I actually got fed up with a Rek'Sai camp and solo'd her as Leona and how I've taken several Dragons between being Lux, Janna, and Thresh. However, that's not the point.

If my ADC doesn't do well, I don't do well and vice versa. However, while I'm worrying about 1 person, if my entire team feeds then it doesn't matter I have a 7-0 Vayne, there's only so much we can do when the enemy mid laner is 9-1 and the top is 8-3 and they've taken two towers already and a dragon.

Supports can become easily irrelevant by the mid game to the point where 4v5s still can end up being a loss since your Support Soraka is still four levels behind and you have the hypercarries targeting her in every fight. As well as that, by the time I get my power spike as a support, oh look their Victor has two complete items and here I am with item 2049 , item 3098 and a pair of item 3158 since that's all I could afford in the 20 minute farming game down in bot lane.

It would be nice if it weren't a "the lane wins or the lane loses," being decided by a single jungle gank. Also doesn't feel good with the turret changes so Junglers are doing the pre-level 4 gank to try and get the lane snowballing hard.

PAULBOSSUGAMER8/16/2018, 7:49:06 AM1 votes

[sg-shisa] R.I.P my feelings..... i am asupport main

khorney11/19/2016, 8:06:39 PM1 votes

Supp sucks because no one likes to do it and with dynamic que it allowed people to refuse to do it and they complain about ques. Support are the reason for losing period no matter what

ACENOX12/1/2016, 1:08:36 PM1 votes

supports should still do damage in early game, braum shouldn't be 1v1'ed by an adc that should be weak in early game

Flaherty11/19/2016, 7:26:13 PM1 votes

If you feel like you have no impact as a support then play a high damage AP support like Zyra, Vel'koz, or Brand. It's a lot easier to have a more noticeable impact with them

TMT Síbi12/1/2016, 1:03:19 PM1 votes

I think that bot lane is week in general. (Low lvl, no money, weak champs against assassins) to be honest i've benn playing adc for 4 seasons but now comes time to wake up and speak to myself, why am i staying in line which has no impact on game.

For real i like these ideas to improve supports to be relevant.

Sometime im thinking about mastery point for support which gains more exp for duo liners. Instead of 50% for both something like 70% for each other. nvm Just to be possible face sololiners, its following more popularity each roles.