I'm sick of always having Villain popping up on me =.=

taleofsonata·Mar 5, 2016·1 votes·728 views

Like seriously this mini game has to go... Getting killed by Garen and receiving the Villain again after dying? Get ulted for 1.2k true damage no counterplay? 40% cDR is soo easy on Garen . Ulting Twice in a teamfight... The fact that Garen is super tanky and can sustain himself makes a super retarded champion in this splitpush ZZ root portal meta. While Udyr Backdoor, and Garen being unkillable aswell as regainning all his health after combat makes him of the best Stall the team champion.

He is a fine champion he doesn't need rework... Yet they reworked him... http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2115507112/204329123?tab=overview

5 Comments

redniwediSMar 5, 20161 votes

I'm a bit torn here. I've mained Garen since I started in season 1, and I plan to keep playing him in the future. The juggernaut update really didn't change much for me. He has the same playstyle as before, only now he's a little weaker early on to certain counters to balance a better late game, and it's easier to snowball with him if you play your cards right. Some of the changes felt unnecessary, and some still don't feel that great in game, but overall I think it was a positive update for him.

I do have some disagreement with what you're saying, though. For starters a good Garen player will be using his ult on a priority target, regardless of whether they are the villain or not. Sure the large true damage number looks bad, but for most targets the same exact result would have happened if it was magic damage instead.

Secondly your CDR is off. Not only are those two items equal to 30%, but even if they were 40% Garen's ult would still have a 48 second cooldown at max rank. I don't know what kind of team fights you're having, but I don't remember the last time I had one last nearly a full minute.

Third no one should consider Garen's passive sustain. It's fully out of combat. "Sustain" on nearly every other champion helps them keep going during a fight, and so I really don't think Garen's passive counts. Yes, it heals him, but it's fundamentally different compared to almost all other self healing abilities in the game. On top of that his passive basically doesn't exist before level 11. Seriously, there are champions in the game with more base health regen than Garen has with his early passive. You can't just focus on his level 16+ passive, you have to look at it all. His great late game healing is balanced by it's crappy early game.

And finally Garen is actually less tanky than he was before the juggernaut update. You can't say he was fine before and also say he is "unkillable" now. He has some nice, tanky itemization options now that he didn't have before, but he lost his sizable percentage resistance boost in the process.

7fIrvwfP3iMar 5, 20161 votes

Just gonna say, either stop killing people :P Or you are doing something wrong.

Also, even with 45% CDR, Garen's ult has an >40 second cooldown at max rank (Which is level 15 if I remember right). He can't ult twice in one teamfight, because most teamfights are over by then. Maybe he can start the teamfight with the ult and after it's over he can chase down someone who's running away and it MIGHT be off cooldown. By the way, here's how Villainy works:

PASSIVE: The enemy with the most kills in the last 5 minutes is marked as the Villain. The mark cannot be assigned to another champion while Garen is in combat with the Villain. If more than one enemy has the same bounty, the enemy who received it first is marked as the Villain.

If you constantly keep getting kills (Or KSing), and your team is playing passively (Or having their kills stolen), you are gonna keep getting marked.

If you want to kill Garen, there are two items for your team to look into: item 3034 Giant Slayer. This and the item it builds into increases Physical damage against tanks. item 3153 Bork. This does Physical damage based on their current health. Also tank busting. Mix them together, your problem is solved. I build these on Gnar when I expect a super tanky Garen or Illaoi.

[slayer-jinx-wink] And as for Udyr? Look at your map more. These champions are kinda supposed to be played this way. They are late game champs after all.

Critmaster GarenMar 5, 20161 votes

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Like seriously this mini game has to go... Getting killed by Garen and receiving the Villain again after dying? Get ulted for 1.2k true damage no counterplay? 40% cDR is soo easy on Garen . Ulting Twice in a teamfight... The fact that Garen is super tanky and can sustain himself makes a super retarded champion in this splitpush ZZ root portal meta. While Udyr Backdoor, and Garen being unkillable aswell as regainning all his health after combat makes him of the best Stall the team champion.

He is a fine champion he doesn't need rework... Yet they reworked him...

first of all, that makes 30% cdr and not 40%. if you really want to see something crazy, then look at essence reaver that grants the same amount off 1 item.

second, im really impressed your teamfights last 60 seconds for a garen to be able to ult twice in a fight.

as far as his passive goes, there is literally no difference between garen healing up after a fight, and a bruiser or adc healing up on a minion wave or jungle camp with lifesteal. the reason he has this passive in the first place, is because auto attack dependent items are shit on him and building lifesteal is not much of an option.

Sir YamazukiMar 5, 20161 votes

Then you play Garen yourself and find trying to use the mechanic yourself is equally annoying because half the time it's on someone useless that isn't really getting kills, or it randomly changes to a different person while you're about to fight someone who was the villain. Also, at least you have to be low and be the villain for Garen to ult you for that much, Darius can do it to everyone on your team while sustaining during combat.

Being the villain is nothing but an inconvenience, if you and your team play well it usually means nothing unless you're the front line and are the villain, but if you're a mage or adc then you shouldn't have to worry unless you're face checking.

Garen also isn't even good at stalling games, his only form of wave clear requires him to be in the wave and the damage is over time, he also can't defend towers against multiple people on his own. He also can't reach 40% cdr without taking cdr runes or buying items that have mana, or buying 2 visages/locket, since BC+Visage is only 30% cdr.